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The insurance battle

post #1 of 14
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I'm wondering if this is even worth it... but...

Just got off the phone with my insurance company (Cigna) and I do have coverage for licensed midwifery care in a facility.

I already know my homebirth MW isn't licensed because the "wonderful" state of PA will not license CPM's or DE midwives, only CNM's can get licensed.

But instead of hashing that out I first brought up, well if I have midwifery care why does it matter where I actually birth my child?

They said they would only cover if I had in a facility... I asked how I can appeal that decision and they told me the only way to get it started was to have an OB call my precertification to try to get me precertified to have a homebirth?

Um... help? lol
post #2 of 14
I have no idea what the "precertification" thing is, but I can tell you my experience with Cigna. They told me basically the same thing (they will cover midwives who are providing care alongside an OB; they didn't actually say "no homebirth" but that pretty much eliminates all homebirth practitioners.)

HOWEVER, we had our mws submit the claim to them anyway. We expected them to deny it, and we planned to appeal. But they actually accepted the claim. I don't know if they just made a mistake, or decided it wasn't worth the hassle, or what. But I'd advise you to at least submit the claim, even if you don't think they will accept it.
post #3 of 14
Ugh, so frustrating. Maybe others can chime in, as I've never had a freestanding birth center birth, but I'm pretty sure that a freestanding birth center does not have any more medical capabilities than a homebirth. Usually they are pretty close to a hospital though. Maybe you can try that route - that it's really no difference (resource-wise) than birthing at home. Good luck! I'm battling my own insurance as well to get my HB reimbursed.
post #4 of 14
are licensed midwives allowed () to do homebirths in your state? And if so if she were to bill how would they know she didnt attend a "facility" birth or had her own freestanding facility?
post #5 of 14
I would try, the worst case you get nothing, best case you get part of the birth covered. My midwife requested to be covered in-network bc the closest midwife in-networ is 92 miles away. As of now, they approved her and my homebirth, but I'll believe it when I have a check in my hand.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the good tips! My MW will do a global billing to submit to insurance companies for people wanting to try to get it covered.... so maybe I'll go that route and see what happens.

I don't know how they would really know or not if it was done in a facility or not... a good point.

The wording on these things are just weird.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by JSMa View Post
I already know my homebirth MW isn't licensed because the "wonderful" state of PA will not license CPM's or DE midwives, only CNM's can get licensed.
So, there are no CNM's who will attend a homebirth in your area?

I live in NY and will have a homebirth in a few weeks with a CNM. Insurance has been a pain in the butt, but I finally have paperwork proving their commitment to cover it at in-nework rates. I have a BCBS of IL PPO through my husband's employer, but I actually got a new job while pregnant and had my choice of two other health plans-- an Anthem PPO and an Independent Health HMO/POS/EPO combination-- so I did my research with all three companies.

BCBS was a pain in the butt; way back in September/October I made a series of phone calls trying to figure out at what rate my homebirth would be covered. In NY, insurance must cover CNM services, but the in-network vs. out-of-network rules still apply, and my CNM is not in-network with *any* provider (I don't blame her, who wants to sell their soul to an insurance company? *shudder*) BCBS gave me three answers from three different representatives all in one day-- after my $1000 deductible they would cover my CNM's services at the rate of 0%, 50% or 80%- LOL. I used their inconsistency against them in my next call by requesting that someone higher up do their research and give me a letter stating exactly what their and my financial obligations would be, and they sent a letter within three days stating that if I used an in-network CNM it didn't matter where the birth occured, it would be covered at 80%, but if I used an out-of-network CNM, it would be covered at 50%. Also my out-of-pocket maximum for using an out-of-network provider was more than double. But at least I had something in writing.

Then I heard from people here on MDC about applying for an "out of network exception," "gap exception," or "out of network referral." This is also around the time I got the benefit info from my new job. I learned that every insurance company has their own terminology. For a PPO, you need to ask to apply for a "PPO Waiver." BCBS of IL gave me a special phone number to call for that process. I just had to provide my name, insurance number and address, answer a few questions about the procedure I needed (an in-home delivery with a CNM), and give my provider's address. BCBS then made sure that they did not have any in-network providers for that service within 30 miles from my home. They said I would have an answer in 14 business days. On the 14th business day I called them to say I had not yet heard the outcome of my application, and the lady on the phone said she did not see that they had finalized anything. I told her this was unacceptable, that I had a fast-approaching deadline to make important benefit elections and thus decisions about my healthcare, and she said they would call me the next day. They did, and I was approved. Then I received a letter stating so in five more business days.

Anthem PPO had a similar process with the same 30-mile radius rule and their representatives were extremely helpful on the phone, but since I got my approval from BCBS I decided not to switch health insurance (I hope to quit my job after the birth anyway). Independent Health said they knew of my CNM and had reimbursed her services in the past, but my employer's particular plan did not allow for any out-of-network providers to be reimbursed unless my Primary Care Practitioner wrote a letter of referral for the service. Since I haven't yet established a relationship in this area with a PCP (just having moved here last summer), I thought my chances of getting that accomplished were slim.

Anyway, all that to say, if CNMs are generally reimbursed in your state, it is likely you can get insurance to cover your homebirth if you can find a CNM you like to attend it! Best of luck!

~K.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by luv-my-boys View Post
are licensed midwives allowed () to do homebirths in your state? And if so if she were to bill how would they know she didnt attend a "facility" birth or had her own freestanding facility?
CNMs can attend home births in PA, but are limited to specific areas (this is because of obtaining OB backup, rather than the law).

Providers are required to provide the facility details when submitting a claim. However, even if homebirth is not a covered service, she may be able to bill separately for prenatal and postnatal visits and obtain some coverage.
post #9 of 14
I also have Cigna. My midwife is going to make a final bill when all is said and done, and split the payment amount into different portions for the prenatal visits, the postnatal visits, and the birth itself.
My insurance, as far as I know, doesn't cover homebirth, but the other services should be at least partially reimbursed, I hope.

Catherine12, thanks for telling us your story! It gives me hope.

You'd think they'd be thrilled to pay a bill for birth that's not 5 figures..
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by AlexisT View Post
CNMs can attend home births in PA, but are limited to specific areas (this is because of obtaining OB backup, rather than the law).

Providers are required to provide the facility details when submitting a claim. However, even if homebirth is not a covered service, she may be able to bill separately for prenatal and postnatal visits and obtain some coverage.
The information I have actually is that CNMs cannot legally attend homebirths in PA... they risk losing their license if they do.
post #11 of 14
I know for a fact that's false. The only states that have a legal bar on CNM home births are Nebraska and Alabama, AIUI. There are CNMs attending home birth in the Philadelphia area and the Lancaster/Harrisburg area (that I personally know of, and can give names). None of them can do HBAC, as far as I know.

They may lose their license for doing a home birth without a backup agreement giving permission to do so, and a backup agreement for HB is hard to get. But if their OB backs them, it's legal.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by JSMa View Post
The information I have actually is that CNMs cannot legally attend homebirths in PA... they risk losing their license if they do.
that's not true.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AlexisT View Post
I know for a fact that's false. The only states that have a legal bar on CNM home births are Nebraska and Alabama, AIUI. There are CNMs attending home birth in the Philadelphia area and the Lancaster/Harrisburg area (that I personally know of, and can give names). None of them can do HBAC, as far as I know.

They may lose their license for doing a home birth without a backup agreement giving permission to do so, and a backup agreement for HB is hard to get. But if their OB backs them, it's legal.
Oh! So it has to do with that CNMs need to be linked to an OB? Good to know.
post #14 of 14
My mw is a CNM (one of the crunchiest CNMs out there, at that) who does births in a FSBC as well as homebirths. She does have a backup OB.

Perhaps there is a CNM who has a FSBC and also does homebirths or would be willing to make an exception? The only issue I could see is the insurance company requiring proof that the mw owns or works at a FSBC. If not, then there's no issue. If so, there may be a mw who would be willing to bill it as a FSBC birth, but do it at home.
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