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Desperately need help with nightwakings

post #1 of 27
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I am SO SO sorry for the length of this post, but thought some background info may help. If you have a little time I really need help, or at least to know what we are going through is normal because I am not sure if it is or not!!!
I am a first time mom to a wonderful, extremely active, breastfed 6 month old boy, recently started solids in the past few weeks. I have struggled with his sleep habits for months, and right now I barely get 3 hours of sleep at night and I work fulltime. It's become very difficult for me to function like a normal person the past few weeks, I can barely hold an intelligent conversation and I don't know what I am doing at work.
DS had started sleeping a 6 hour stretch at about 2.5 mos, right before I came back to work. (He has always started off sleeping in his bassinet/crib, then upon his first waking we would cosleep). His bassinet, then crib, were in our bedroom until he was 5 mos.
Once I returned to work he regressed in sleeping. On Jan 1st he started waking every half hour. Very slowly it got better, after trying many, many changes (including the No-Cry Sleep Solution) in his sleep environment. My husband and I really wanted him to be in his own crib (though it was still in our room) so I continued to work with him to sleep better. After about a month or more, he started sleeping anywhere from 1-3 hours, with a few 4-5 hour nights here and there. Things seemed to be looking up just a bit.
Once again though, we are back to waking every 45 minutes. He does not seem to be in any distress, and after midnight he doesn't seem to be hungry either. Nonetheless, like clockwork, I can almost time that he will be awake in 45 minutes once I get him back to sleep. Sometimes I can just give him back his paci and pat him a little, and he will go back to sleep. Other times he is WIDE awake and I HAVE to nurse him to get him to go back to sleep. Also, he is tossing and turning and can't seem to get back to sleep for about 2 hours between 3 and 5 AM. This is the worst part for me because I get up before 5 for work. I really don't have a problem getting up at night, I know parenting is a 24/7 job, and my husband can't help because he pretty much doesn't wake up at night. I have tried: 1)Tylenol and teething tabs before bed 2) No-Cry Sleep Solution (this doesn't seem to be working anymore because he is wide awake most of the time when he calls for me) 3) all cotton clothing & bedding 4) my shirts/breastpad/hot water bottle in bed with him so he has my scent 5) he has a lovey blanket 6) no change in detergent 6) doesn't seem to have any food allergies, no changes in my diet 7) I even have a little pallet beside our matress on the floor, so I can move him over when he's too uncomfortable in close proximity during cosleep 8) changing the side he is laying on 9) even tried him lying on his stomach, didn't like that very much 10) he has white noise, have also tried radio on 11) took all of his clothes off except diaper last night 12) earlier bedtime 13) It's finally not 15 deg outside so we have been taking him outside every evening, or for a walk for fresh air 14) he doesn't have any problems getting to sleep, I nurse him and it's right off to lala land 15) crib head is elevated, with humidifer in the room
This is a BIG ONE: he likes to sleep with his forehead against something (the way babies are in the womb, with pressure against their head), so he has a very stiff bed pillow at the head of his crib. Sometimes it seems he can't get comfortable with his head and that is what is keeping him awake. I try to get the pillow comfortable for him, and reposition him several times, but it doesn't seem to help.
I still put him to sleep first thing in his crib, so I can finish getting things ready for the next day. I don't have much choice here. After the first 2-3 wakings I finally bring him to bed, which used to solve the problem when he was younger, he would go right back to sleep. Now, it doesn't seem to be helping. He seems to be uncomfortable being so close, so I try to give him space on the bed and that doesn't help either. He's still waking every 45 mins or so, and still is awake for about 2 hours in the early AM. When I called his ped., the nurse told me "try not to feed him and it's ok to let him cry a little, don't respond to him right away." So obviously they don't think anything is wrong. And he just had his 6 mo. checkup Monday so the doctor looked him over and said everything looks fine. He teethed very badly from about 2.5 mos. til right at 5 mos. when his first tooth finally showed. The teething seems to be nowhere near as bad now, though it bothers him pretty bad every once in awhile during the day. Now I am almost forcing him to nurse it seems like, because when he can't get back to sleep, he's not rooting or looking for the breast, I go ahead and offer it to him because sometimes it helps get him back to sleep.
I consider my son high needs, as described by Dr. Sears. So I am thinking it's more his temperment than anything else. But man do I feel like I am doing something wrong/not right! His sleep habits seem to change every few weeks. I don't know how he functions during the day, poor little guy. He doesn't seem to be overtired, either. He's actually quite the happy baby. He takes 3 naps during the day, from 45 mins - 1.5 hours, so it doesn't seem he is sleeping too much during the day. If he's had a rough night he sometimes will take one 2-hour nap the next day. He has a very routine pre-bedtime ritual, that we have been doing since he was 2 weeks old. A little play and some reading before bath, then quiet bath (as quiet as it can be), dressed, nurse, and bed. And GOING to sleep is not the issue, it's the staying asleep.
So my questions are:
1) Does anyone think a later bedtime may help? During the earlier months when he was sleeping more than an hour at a time, he went to bed between 9-10. However, because I do too much reading, I pushed his bedtime back because "babies are programmed to go to sleep early", and if I am going to put him down later he would most likely need a 4th nap in the late evening. He gets really upset if he's up for more than 2-2.5 hours without a nap. I could make this a very short nap before bedtime.
I observed the other night that it may be a little separation anxiety. He is doing fine during the day, but he is with my mom who has pretty much become like a second mommy to him. When I was putting him to sleep he was fussing a little in his crib. I decided to wait in the chair to see what would happen, but before he got too upset I got up and put the paci back for him. When he saw I was beside the bed he turned back over and quited down. I left again and sat down, he turned over again and saw I wasn't there, and he started fussing again. This happened 2 or 3 times before he finally went to sleep quietly.
2) Does it seem like it's just his temperment, or more of a medical issue? He's very easily stimulated (even just from getting him dressed after his bath)
3) I thought maybe it's developmental stuff that keep interrupting his sleep patterns, but could it really last a month and a half?? I can't seem to get anyone to answer that question, if it could really be developmental if he has a super-sensitive personality?
4) Does he just miss me that much that he can't stand to be without me for more than an hour at night? DS is not very cuddly in the evenings with anyone, he wants to be on the floor playing or have his hands in something all the time. Is he making up for that at night by keeping me awake??
5) Is this ever really going to end, and he'll sleep more than an hour at a time before the age of 5?????
6) Does anyone notice anything else in this posting that I am missing that I am doing/not doing?
Any other help/advice would be appreciated!!!!
post #2 of 27
OK, I will admit to NOT reading your entire post. . Basically, you are describing my younger son, who is now almost 16 months, and still wakes in the night.

1.) if you plan to have more children, consider yourself lucky that you got the harder one out of the way first . My older son is a DREAM SLEEPER, and he did me no favors by making me think all babies slept that way after 5 months of age.

2.) one thing you may have to come to terms with, and I wish I had sooner, is your son MAY just be one of those kids who sleeps like crap and you need to do whatever you can to get your own decent amount of shut eye. I also work full time, and my job requires alot of thinking. My husband also DOES.NOT.WAKE.UP. I probably wont surprise you by saying I seriously thought we may divorce by the time Matthew was 2! It wreaked havoc on my marraige because my husband also thought that matthew should just be sleeping in his own bed (like his brother) And that it must somehow be MY FAULT that he wasnt sleeping. Not until about 10 or 11 months did he realize it had nothing to do with ME and everything to do with matthews temperment. He finally excepted that some nights when matthew wakes, I am going to go get him and curl up on the "nest" I created on the floor of his room just so I can get some sleep. Let me tell you, he was able to swallow his pride pretty darned quick when he saw how INSANE I was becoming from lack of sleep. But when I found something that worked, and was getting sleep, my whole attitude changed. He was ok with it, FINALLY.

3.) It WILL get better. I promise. When I was at the stage your at, I seriously thought I might loose my mind. I didn't think we were going to make it. I started having ridiculous thoughts of sending matthew to live with my mother for a week or something, JUST SO I COULD SLEEP! It was awful. Now I look back and think, OMG, I made it! But I seriously wish I had accepted this as fate and nothing I was doing wrong ALOT SOONER.

4.) try not to ask anyone for advice or if you are doing something wrong. Especially a doctor or nurse at a peds office. You more then likely will always be given the CIO speach. Makes me want to .

Good luck mama, I hope this helps!
post #3 of 27
Sorry momma so advice just hugs and lots of sympathy as you've described exactly what we're going through with DD at the moment who is 7.5 months old. I really think it's teething and developmental stuff as I an see she's trying to put the pieces together in terms of crawling.

At any rate I hope some of the other moms who've BTDT can offer some advice!
post #4 of 27
Thread Starter 
Gina,
That's funny, sending him to stay with your mom. My mom has also offered to take him overnight so I can sleep, which I thought was a little comical because she would spend a week trying to recover!
I've said I'm not sure about a baby #2 because of this, but I've changed my mind
Trust me, I have accepted it, just wanted to know why it's EVERY 45 minutes almost like clockwork! My DH is pro-CIO, or at least he says. But he doesn't try to push it on me and he is pretty much accepting of my methods. At first he didn't want DS in bed with us, but now we have our matress on the floor! I just really thought that going back to sleep sharing most of the night was going to fix it, and I was so relieved when I finally accepted that he would be sleep sharing probably for a few years, and I stopped fighting having him in his crib all night. But sleep sharing hasn't fixed it, and that's the most frustrating part! I thought he just wanted the physical contact, but it seems to make it worse so I guess there is pretty much nothing else I can do except keep trying and not giving up on him.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thank you, glad to know I'm not alone. Seems that none of my friends or co-workers have high-needs or super sensitive babies.
post #6 of 27
Does your husband snore? Mine does. And he likes to sleep with the TV on, therefore ALL of us bedsharing was not working for us. Me and Matthew alone in his room is what worked for us. And dont get me wrong. He still goes through phases of waking CONSTANTLY. But i have come to learn its mostly developmental. (Since the poor kid still only has four teeth, its not teething) just this past month, hes been AWFUL. Waking ever couple of hours, whiney as all get out, screaming at the drop of a hat, throwing tantrum after tantrum. Then like someone flipped a swtich, it stopped. At the exact same time, he started TALKING. Every day he has a new word, or is trying his hardest to pronounce something. Looking back, it was the same thing at your sons age. 6 months, he was sleeping like CRAP. when he finally started going back to 5 hour stretches, he started sitting up. Some kids are just really sensative to the developmental milestones. And then some arent. My older son isnt. KInda funny when I was worried when he was this age, that his younger brothers SCREAMING would wake him. NOPE. Kid sleeps through anything. Just like his dada.
post #7 of 27
I completely know what you mean about feeling as if no one you know has a sensitive or poor-sleeping baby! I also work full time and can honestly feel your pain. My son sounds sooooo much like yours. I have found that for him, teething lasts forever. I am only starting to see sleep improvement now, at 18 months, and I think it may be because he has nearly all of his teeth. Only 2 to go!

I don't have any advice - you seem to be trying everything. This may not sound comforting to you at all, but you do eventually get more and more functional on less and less sleep. Depressing, I know. And you are definitely not alone. I think sensitive kids have a lot harder time with sleep.

Try to hang in and know that it won't be 5 years of this!
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
That's so neat, talking is such a hugh milestone!!
Do you mean getting into the sitting up position on his own? Lucas has been almost-sitting on his own for about a week or so now (still needs some support but he's getting a lot closer to balancing on his own). But I think he is trying really hard to get into the sitting position on his own, or it seemed so yesterday. And it may just be developmental, like the last time this happened I think it coincided with rolling over consistently, but my gosh the night disruptions lasted a month and a half I believe.
Yes hubby snores, but I'm awake most of the time at night and it doesn't seem to bother Lucas. He has just as many troubles alone in his room as he does in our bed. We have an extra bedroom and I could try sleeping alone with him, but I really don't want to do that to hubby. We already don't cuddle very often as it is. I really wanted him to share in the cosleep experience too because he enjoys snuggling with Lucas as well. Might be worth a try, but most of the time I have Lucas on my side of the bed or his little pallet beside the matress anyway, away from DH.
post #9 of 27
Well it sounds like sleeping with just you and DS in a seperate room is the only thing you HAVENT tried. So I would give it a shot if I were you.

I know you want to include your husband in this experience, but honestly, is risking your sanity and health (Sleep deprivation can make you sick, just ask me ) worth it? If he doesn't really wake up when your son is anyway, what difference will it make. And then if sleeping in a seperate room doesnt make a bit of difference, you can tell me you told me so. But I think its worth a shot.

If your son appears to be really working on something, I wouldn't be at all surprised that is what is causing his wakefullness. Like a PP said, some kids are just extra sensative to milestones. Mine is, thats for DANG sure.

FWIW, even though you say your husbands snoring doesnt seem to bother your son, you really dont know that for sure. When I am asleep, my husbands snoring doesnt bother me, until it does, you know?
post #10 of 27
Yes, yes.... I remember this! I remember calling my mil when ds was 10mos and asking her how long it was going to last (dh was an awful sleeper too). When she said dh started sleeping through at 4 yrs I thought I was going to cry!
He slept for 3 hours straight for the first time at 10months. He woke up every 45mins-2hrs. I was exhausted!
45mins is the sleep cycle length of a baby so the 45minute waking up makes sense. Is Lucas waking up upset even after he's with you? Our ds would scream inconsolably so I felt like there was something else going on but we also had a ped saying: if you just have him cry for 3 nights straight it will be hard but worth it. And we were desperate. I tried it once. He screamed for an hour and 45mins before I said I couldn't do it anymore. So cio, I don't think, would have worked even if we were more open to that. (As a side note we have since switched peds.)
If Lucas isn't distraught after he's with you I wonder if it's worth having a closed room where he'd be safe, I would suggest sleeping and letting him do his thing. Given his age, I'm assuming this wouldn't fly with him because he wants activity for those 2 hours?
I think the pp suggestions to limit questioning yourself makes sense. This sounds like his "normal" and it sucks but it gets better (ds is sleeping through the night and has been since about 3.5). We went on to have a second baby and I was worried about her because she slept so much. Apparently that's normal We have video of ds swinging at a month old wide awake! He would take 1/2 hour naps, at most, during the day. But like Lucas he was a mellow kid during the day.
If you're finding that clothing change/bathing seems to be stimulating, take it out of the bedtime routine. We found it to be too stimulating. Maybe pj him, play quietly, read a book, nurse, bed? But it may not change anything.
You're doing everything right. Get sleep when you can (can your mom stay late one day a week so you can take a nap when you get home? or come over on Saturday afternoon so you can nap?).
post #11 of 27
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Gina-will let you know how it goes!

Sarah-it's just funny because DH and I are both pretty good sleepers, him especially, although I'm not sure how he was when he was a baby. i don't mind waking up every few hours, I only need about 3 hours at a time, but the 45 min thing is killer. As soon as I get to sleep good it's time to get up again. Trust me I have read a lot on the subject and I know about the sleep cycles, I just wonder WHY he is waking at every new cycle when I KNOW he can put himself back to sleep, he's done it before. But then that is the ultimate question right, WHY?!?
I do sleep on the weekends now when he naps, thank goodness he is taking longer naps. DH helps out a bit with that too, letting me sleep some. It still doesn't seem to help during the week.
He doesn't wake up upset if he's in the bed with me, only if he's in the crib. When he is sleeping with us, he'll wake and either nurse, or if he doesn't act like he's hungry or rooting I try to snuggle with him to get him back to sleep, or pat him, rub his chest, etc., but he starts tossing and turning or pushing away like he can't get comfortable. Then I give him some space to try to get him comfy and after a few mins. of trying to get comfortable he finally fusses a little. I've also tried putting him back in his crib where he has plenty of space and that doesn't work either. Then it's back to me trying to help him get comfortable. Eventually I end up nursing him (even though he's not asking for it) or he'll go back to sleep after awhile. During the 2 hour wake period he either spends the whole time trying to get comfortable, or he is wide awake just lying there playing with his feet or my face, he doesn't really seem to want to get up. It still keeps me awake though. Except this morn I think he was going back to sleep after I nursed him, then I tried to move him and he woke up, that's when he was awake for 2 hours So this morning was mostly my fault, shouldn't have tried to move him.
I can't do CIO, I tried letting him fuss in his crib the other night and he didn't even start really crying before I had to go to him. I know there is something else going on and I can't abandon him like that. I'm almost positive it wouldn't work with him either, his sleep habits are so unpredictable and change so much, and he is so super-sensitive that we would have to make a habit of it. Maybe I'll try even less stimulation before bedtime, although the falling-asleep isn't the issue? He goes to sleep just fine, just won't stay that way!
Thanks!!
~Bren
post #12 of 27
Yep, you're the lucky mother of a high needs baby (I am NOT being sarcastic!). Please please read the "A miracle" thread for reassurance that you'll get through this and it will get better. Several of us on there are seeing the light at the end of the sleep deprivation tunnel and we all have (I think from our postings) active, sensitive babes.

My son regressed at 5 months too and I tried everything and nothing worked. I think consistency is the key for the long-term. I believe it just took my son a long time to figure out how to sleep. It sounds like your son is waking after every sleep cycle and probably bc of all the milestone developments going on, teething, and just being hn means he needs your help to get back to sleep. I've had to change up my response many times to keep apace, but we're finally getting better nights (and have had since his birthday).

So, my advice to you is to look at ways to cope, to get the most rest for yourself. I decided nursing all night and cosleeping was the best way. To h@ll with what they say about forming a habit. It helped 80% of the time to get us both back to sleep. Your ds sounds like mine - not a boob baby. It was not hard to night wean him when the time came.

Second, sleep in at the weekend to try and replenish your reserves. Get your dh to take your son and nap at every opportunity at the weekends. Go to bed as soon as you have things ready for the next day.

Totally your decision, but for me, even when ds woke every hour, not having to get out of bed to settle him really made me more rested.

Big hugs. I felt so lonely 6 months ago and only now can say for sure that my ds is a crappy sleeper bc of his temperament and yes, it's normal.
post #13 of 27
Your son's sounds just like mine-- same age, high needs and sleep cycle. I also work full time.

I'd bring the baby back into the bed-- it saved my sanity. FWIW, my son only takes two 1 hour naps in the day, but sleeps at night from 8-6. (I mean sleeps at night, with night wakings to eat, but then falls right back to sleep.

I was an absolute zombie when he was in the crib. This way I can sleep through the time it takes to actually feed him-- I just wake up to latch him or switch sides.

Also, many times dh puts him to bed, so I can sleep earlier, or he takes him on the weekends. My husband gets up much earlier for work, so I try really hard to do all the nights on my own.

It helped to read up on reverse cycling... since ds and I are apart all day, he likes to cuddle up at night-- it's only natural!
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
Louisep,
Does yours sleep independently now, or still sleep sharing?
Lucas' naps seem to be better sleep than his nighttime sleep, I wonder why? It's just so frustrating when he has done a 6 hour stretch several times...
I'd be happy with just 2-3 hours right now! He slept 1.5 hours this morn and when he woke me up I felt like I'd slept for days! Of course, it didn't last long.
~Bren

texmati~so you nurse on demand, whenever, throughout the night? Even if it's 6 or 8 times, to get yours back to sleep?
post #15 of 27
He sleeps in the side carred crib - which is a thought, can you do that?

We nursed on demand regardless of the number of wakings. At around 11 months it stopped helping him get back to sleep so I did more cuddling. At 12 months I partially night weaned easily, then a few weeks later totally night weaned.
post #16 of 27
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How would I do that, just take off the sliding rail?
post #17 of 27
mama, you sound just like me about a year ago. From 6-9 months DS had his WORST sleeping. He woke every 15-30 minutes all night, very hard to resettle, etc. Looking back, I can't pinpoint any specific thing that caused him to sleep like that other than-- A) developmental milestones (crawled at 6 months, started pulling up at 8 months, walking at 9 months-- once he started walking his sleep improved) B) teething and C) THE BIG ONE-- personality. I have a crappy sleeper. At 18 months he still wakes every 1-2 hours all night. We had a 6 hour stretch earlier this week, which we have had happen TWICE his whole life.

It sounds like you have tried just about everything. For me, just coming to terms with the fact that DS was a horrible sleeper, and trying to do everything to maximize MY sleep (which included cosleeping, and DH moving to another room) things got better. His sleep didn't improve, but my outlook did.

Now we are planning to nightwean here in the next few weeks, and then slowly transition DS to his own room and DH taking over nightwakings. I am almost 7 weeks pg and I am going to need rest, and can't wake up with two babies all night! I think that since DS is older now, he will take to this much better and maybe start sleeping better. But even if he doesn't, at least it will be DH and not me taking care of the nightwakings.

Hang in there Mama! It will get better.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by blimbrick View Post
texmati~so you nurse on demand, whenever, throughout the night? Even if it's 6 or 8 times, to get yours back to sleep?
yup. It's still so, so, so much better.

Like yours, he normally starts out the night in his hammock (where he takes naps during the day). If he starts annoying me too much, I'll stick him back in there. But for the most part, it's much easier just to latch and sleep. I wondered if I really do sleep through a feeding, but DH says that he's seen me latch my son on, and immediately start snoring.

I always worry about pumping enough during the day-- most days he doesn't eat much (How much does your DS take during the day?) I feel like mine is hungry, that's why he's waking up.
post #19 of 27
I just wanted to add-- my son's almost exactly your son's age, so I'm definitley not an expert. Also, since I've returned to work, our parenting philosophy has turned into "I'm so tired just let's do whatever works"
post #20 of 27
Just one suggestion that no one has mentioned - take off his diaper and let him pee in a potty / toilet / bowl / bottle. My older son woke up constantly until I learned about EC when he was about 10 months old. Pottying him when he was restless and uncomfortable was the one thing that finally allowed him to fall back to sleep and STAY asleep for several hours, rather than waking every 30-60 minutes.
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