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shy, anxiety, stubborness, 4.5 yr old ds

post #1 of 6
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I'd love to hear from any of you if you have had a child who is similar! Please help!!

My middle son is 4.5. He's always been on the introverted side; but recently he's taken shyness to a whole new level. In some situations, he will hide behind my legs and be very stressed when we come across certain people, usually those he doesn't know or see a lot, even in our own extended family. For example, my parents watch my younger 2 kids once a week while I work. He usually likes to go over there (but sometimes he refuses, which I'll talk about in a minute, his utter stubborness). When I dropped him off today, he saw my sister's car in the driveway (his aunt). We don't see her often, but he literally would NOT go into my parents house because he didn't want to see her. She came outside to leave, and he ran around to the backyard. This is his aunt who we see at holidays (which are becoming hard for him, he says he hates seeing "all those people" in the house, which are ALL his aunts/uncles/cousins or grandparents!) He will do this with anyone he doesn't see often. He *only* started this about 4-6 months ago. I don't force things unless its impossible not to...but I feel like we're moving into "social anxiety" territory. He was supposed to start preschool next week, which is the same his older brother went to; when ds1 would be dropped off, ds2 would CRY that he couldn't go to. Now that its his opportunity, he is refusing. I've taken trips there multiple times to the preschool (and stayed with him) to ease him into it, but he refuses to talk to the teachers. I've asked him why he is so scared of them, he just says he doesn't like them, he's too shy, etc. FWIW he has a few friends he sees regularly and gets along well with those, including playing well with the neighbors and his brothers. BUT when I took him into preschool and he saw a room full of (unknown) kids, he really freaked out, and was scared of them too. Lately he's been saying he wishes he were a dinosaur, because "they are big and can't get hurt." I suspect he's feeling small, like he doesn't have much control, and is easily hurt. But how do I use this info to better help him and empower him???

He's also very, very stubborn. He is extremely vocal, whiney and angry when I basically tell him he has no choice to do xyz (and I don't think I do this a lot, but I'm sorry, we DO have to brush our teeth!) I've begun a star chart with him for basic tasks like getting dressed, etc--which I never in a million years wanted to do, I really believe in self-motivation, not external--and it has REALLY helped these little interactions we have. But still other tasks like the grocery store, running errands, even going to fun places if he just isn't in the mood that day, he hates to do. He is a true homebody, which is okay most of the time. I work very limited hours during the week, so he gets LOTS and lots of 1:1 time with me, and being at home.

Aside from the anxiety, at some point, I feel like this shyness/stubborness/no motivation to do anything HE doesn't want to do, has gotten out of control. I mean, at the end of the day when he's tired, he doesn't always want to talk to his dad, and its an issue getting him to just answer simple questions about what he/we did that day. The star chart as I mentioned has GREATLY improved things. But I still need to figure out where this social anxiety is coming from, and how I can help empower him. We do NOT need to do preschool, and I don't plan to force him. But what about seeing his own aunt unexpectedly and hiding?

If it helps, I'll add that he is extremely sensitive (can't watch most movies because they either scare him or someone gets hurt in them), but I've read about Highly Sensitive kids, and he doesn't fit all the criteria. He's pretty smart, can write well, really enjoys doing workbooks (likes to imitate his brother who has homework in K).

Thank you so much for listening!!
post #2 of 6
My DD is similar (and newly 4), but not to the same level as your DS is (maybe she is like he was before the sudden turn/extra stress).

I personally approach it by doing a lot of pre-talking about things (so she knows what to expect), avoid labels (like shy - or if it comes up I say "oh, you FEEL shy" not "you ARE shy"), and expecting polite behavior (often for DD waving and "sharing her smiles" is the level of greeting she can muster for others, but I do expect that of her. We talk about it at home and I help her remember if she forgets - and if she doesn't do it even when I remember I physically help her wave her hand and I say HI!).

For the Dad stuff, I would think your DH can very well expect a response - he is not a stranger and I personally see that behvior as rude, not really social anxiety. I don't know their dynamic, but if it is that stressful (that you truly believe it is anxiety), then they should do more fun things together and build a relationship, and if it isn't that bad, then your DS should very well be expected to respond. If he doesn't then sit together with him and wait (although I think this is between your DH and DS, not you).

I guess I'm a bit strict, so this may or may not fit with your parenting style, but I expect my kids to do what then need to do and go where we need to go. If they aren't ready to do it in a halfway decent manner, I wait until they are. After a few times of waiting for a long time, it generally doesn't take that long of a wait before the kids are willing to do what needs to be done. If there's a fit about brushing teeth, we sit and wait until they are ready to do it without fussing. My general focus is that they need to calm down, get self-control, and tell me when they are ready.

It sounds to me like your DS is stressed about something (starting preschool, perhaps?) and it is coming out in anxiety around people. Giving him scripts for interacting with new people, doing playdates with some kids who will be in his class, reading stories about courage and feelings could help. Encouraging and supporting his introverted nature (making sure he doesn't feel bad for being an observer first or for not liking loud busy areas) and stretching him just a tiny bit to do tiny things that you know are a bit uncomfortable and congratulating him on it - "you did it! That was tough for you, wasn't it, but look it worked out fine and you can be proud of youself!" Could all help.

HTH

Tjej
post #3 of 6
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Honestly Tjej thats how I started out with ds also, talking it up beforehand and having expectations that he be polite (this is our family, he's not a baby, he's 5 in Sept, and I don't think its right he go running away from his aunt, trust me she hasn't done anything to him!) I was wondering however if my forcing the issue has made it worse. I expected it to go away, or else I probably wouldn't have expected as much as I did. Preschool I don't think has caused it, since we only started talking about it in Feb, after some of the anxiety started happening; but its certaintly not helping.

Thanks a lot for the other ideas, including reading stories about courage, great idea. About DH, thinking harder about it, I'm realizing I need to edit my OP, it actually happens most while we're eating dinner. DS sort of ignores all of us, but in a passive way. He's the most tired then and it shows, but he also just generally doesn't feel as much like talking, he's hungry or he's gearing up to complain he doesn't like what we're having. He does respond but only after DH will ask him multiple times, or I say something to ds expecting him to pay attention.
post #4 of 6
Ah, I get it about the talking to Dad. Is he an only/oldest? I find that my DD (oldest) gets innudated by questions at meals or other times with family and it really is just too much for her and she doesn't respond (or people don't wait long enough for her to respond - it takes her a while to formulate her responses). So thinking time and just you and DH realizing that you are expecting too much conversation from a little introverted kid might help. I think that since we tend to have small families we end up expecting kids to talk more, and sometimes it is nice for them to just listen to us talking to eachother.

Have you asked your DS why he does stuff like running from his aunt? Not in an angry way, and not necessarily in the moment, but at home later? Then you could talk about how that might make the aunt feel, and what he could choose that would be more friendly but he might still be comfortable (standing right beside you and smiling, maybe?).

Tjej
post #5 of 6
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He says pretty much the same thing (whether its his aunt, a roomful of unknown children, etc) that "I don't want to talk to them; I'm not going in; I'm feeling shy; I don't like them; I'm scared." Good idea to point out how that might make others feel, in light of us already knowing them, like my sister.

It is so helpful to hear someone else say their child takes awhile to answer; ds is this way mostly when he's tired or simply doesn't feel like talking. DH and I honestly ask all the kids at the table how their day was (including the 22 month old who is saying a few short sentances). We were waiting and expecting ds2 to respond because we felt like he'd be ignored or 'talked over' by the rest of us unless we gave him adequate space to respond! I guess its time to think, maybe he actually wants to be ignored
post #6 of 6
This sounds a little reminiscent of my older DD at that age. Perhaps it will pass in time, but perhaps the ramping up of the anxiety can be connected to a change happening in his life right now. You say he's about to start preschool, and maybe that change - "I'm not going to be a little kid/baby anymore. Now I have to be a big kid like my older brother and I'm not ready for that" is freaking him out a bit and these actions - or inactions! - are how he's expressing that.

You say he doesn't fit the criteria of being "highly sensitive," but have you read the book The Highly Sensitive Child by Elaine Arons? The book may have some suggestions for how to talk to your son even if he isn't entirely considered "highly sensitive." For example, my older DD scored a 14/21 on the assessment which places her in a borderline area, but I can definitely see that certain things just set her off. So much of your description of your son seemed to relate to the definition of a highly sensitive child. HSC's take in more that is going on around them and process things more deeply, so overstimulation is very easy and very upsetting for them (like too many people in the house at holidays.) And when that overstimulation hits, some kids just shut down (like not responding to his dad at night, or answering people's questions.) It's like he's saying, "Enough is enough. I need some quiet and if you're not going to give it to me, then I'm going to make it happen for myself!" For example, it could be that this aunt he wanted to avoid speaks too closely to his face or speaks loudly or wears strong perfume - none of it a problem for most people - but really much too much for him.

Just a thought. Sorry if I got too rambley! We are dealing with, and getting past, some of these same issues in our home now. There will be a light at the end of this.

Best, momma!
Sharon
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