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post #81 of 247
3/30/10 at 1:06pm
subbing in - I saw the preview, but haven't caught up on ep2 or the blog. HarperRose - so interesting to see the menus being put out now by the schools. Is it babysteps they are trying or do you think its fear of the unknown?
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post #82 of 247
3/30/10 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by Laedi View Post
You know, I have never considered myself "fatist" because there are several important people in my life that are, indeed, "fat". My family cannot metabolize junk food. I realized this and I jumped off of the Type 2 Diabetes Express.

But you know what? After reading that blog and all of the comments I'm sick of fighting for people who only want to be a victim. LET THEM EAT CAKE. I just don't care anymore. =\
I feel the same way. From that blog, "Oliver places the responsibility for unhealthful eating exclusively at the feet of the individual..." Seriously? Seriously? Personal responsibility for your own actions anyone? Bah!

I do hope he addresses the link between food additives and behavioral problems in kids.
post #83 of 247
3/30/10 at 2:35pm
I haven't noticed any fat-phobia or fat shaming on this show. I feel he is rightly focused on the quality of food and health not size.
post #84 of 247
3/30/10 at 8:09pm
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Cabell Huntington Hospital has since provided $80,000 to overhaul menus in Cabell County's 28 schools, and consultants from Connecticut-based Sustainable Food Systems have trained cooks in 12 schools to work from scratch. Rhonda McCoy, the district's food services director, says the program will reach high schools in April.

http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/201003300647
post #85 of 247
3/30/10 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by NiteNicole View Post
I know it's television and they have to set up plots and characters and it's all carefully orchestrated to make a point. I also get that it's only one person making a tv show and can't possibly hit every note and make everyone happy. At the same time, the editing is a little insulting. I really really just refuse to believe that a CLASSROOM FULL of six year olds couldn't identify tomatoes and potatoes. I'm guessing that kids who eat loads of fast food and processed food probably also have access to a lot of tv and you can't swing a processed bagel bite on tv aimed at preschool kids without getting the "healthy eating" and vegetables talk.

With the kids wanting the chicken "nugget" - all it takes is one smartarse to say yeah, I'd eat it and everyone else will follow along. Notice you didn't actually SEE any of the kids take a bite because ya know if they had, we would have been shown it.

It's tv, if it's not shocking we won't watch it, but it's still very artificial. I feel silly if I get too invested in things that I'm certain are set up plot devices

Still going to watch. Still loving it (except the "clean your plates" business, not cool with that). Bought the cookbook today.

I gotta say I watched that scene carefully and in particular I watched the wide shot cutaways (former writer/tv producer that I am).....and I do think that the majority of those students could not identify the foods. Also, the fact that the teacher felt compelled to school them later to identify the foods...on her own, makes me also think that they didn't know them.
post #86 of 247
3/30/10 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by Tracy View Post
I gotta say I watched that scene carefully and in particular I watched the wide shot cutaways (former writer/tv producer that I am).....and I do think that the majority of those students could not identify the foods. Also, the fact that the teacher felt compelled to school them later to identify the foods...on her own, makes me also think that they didn't know them.
I agree. If the teacher was willing to take class time to teach veggie identification, then I'm willing to bet that a significant number of the kids had trouble.
post #87 of 247
3/30/10 at 9:36pm
Hrm... this looks interesting!
But I must way to watch it until after I finish my anatomy homework
post #88 of 247
3/30/10 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by _ktg_ View Post
subbing in - I saw the preview, but haven't caught up on ep2 or the blog. HarperRose - so interesting to see the menus being put out now by the schools. Is it babysteps they are trying or do you think its fear of the unknown?
I think it's fear of change. Fear of facing up to the fact that their diet sucks. Fear of looking bad on tv.
post #89 of 247
3/30/10 at 10:44pm
I finished the 2 episodes, just read the beginning of this thread, which I missed (HarperRose, so nice to have your perspective on this) and posted on Facebook.... and coincidentally others are posting about it on FB too, talked to my dh, my mom, etc. I'm somewhat relieved I'm in the majority of people who seem appalled and its not just us 'crazy' crunchy folk that feel this way.

It is interesting how the show is adapting to the situation.... I think he really had high expectation and really came in and had no idea the problems he would encounter. The show is pretty honest- he makes some missteps, understimated the time it would take, etc makes things a bit harder, has to take some drastic action to keep afloat, etc.

I mean, who would expect that first graders and older elementary schoolers wouldnt' be allowed knives (and the 2 bread thing with a 'logically' sound healthy mean, etc. etc.... Yikes.

Hasn't Mothering magazine been mentioning a bunch of school lunch initiatives? I hope he does look into some of the things that have already been implemented- because there are some examples already out there.... Why reinvent the wheel?

Jessica
post #90 of 247
3/30/10 at 11:03pm
Just found a FB page for the food revolution and this link to a talk he did for TED (love TED)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY
I'm about 2 minutes into this...

Jessica
post #91 of 247
3/30/10 at 11:11pm
DH and I just watched both episodes tonight.

I'm addicted and can't wait for the next episode. I was a bit worried about what DH would think but was pleasantly surprised to have him vent for almost 1/2hr after the show about how this is just another sign that we (as a nation) don't view children as human beings. He started connecting it to several other human rights issues and I had to agree...the connection made a ton of sense to me.
post #92 of 247
3/30/10 at 11:25pm
[QUOTE]who would expect that first graders and older elementary schoolers wouldnt' be allowed knives/QUOTE]

Actually, I was surprised the school even had knives. I figured all the zero tolerance craziness would have eliminated such "weapons" from the school.

I think the fresh foods costing more is less a factor of ingredients (flour, yeast, tomato sauce) and more a factor of labor (needing more work hours on prepping food, and more work hours on washing dishes). The new schools in my district are built with kitchens incapable of washing lunch trays because they determined it is cheaper to buy a day's worth of styrofoam trays than pay an employee to wash a day's worth of trays. ugh.

I don't foresee my district making any changes, and I think the food policy is governed district wide, so I'm not sure how how power each school has to make changes. I guess I need to pack lunches even more often than I do currently.
post #93 of 247
3/30/10 at 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by jessjgh1 View Post
Just found a FB page for the food revolution and this link to a talk he did for TED (love TED)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY
I'm about 2 minutes into this...

Jessica
I watched it a couple of weeks ago. It's fantastic!!
post #94 of 247
3/31/10 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by Tracy View Post
I gotta say I watched that scene carefully and in particular I watched the wide shot cutaways (former writer/tv producer that I am).....and I do think that the majority of those students could not identify the foods. Also, the fact that the teacher felt compelled to school them later to identify the foods...on her own, makes me also think that they didn't know them.
Totally agree with this.

Sorry, not good at the mutli quoting but I also agree with whoever said that they hope he addresses preservatives in foods and behavioral issues. That would be awesome. I don't know if it will happen though..good grief..with all the basic issues he is having to address..

I was absolutely shocked the kids didn't know how to use utensils and that the school had no knives! My 2.5 yr old can use a knife! I don't know if that is super unsual or not but I would really think that a 6 yr old for sure could use a knife!

I have been a fan of Jamie for a long time, and I think he is really sincere and good hearted. I hope this can work out and make some change in the schools, because it surely is needed. It makes me so sad to see these kids, the families..the resistance..really sad. I just don't get it. (the resistance)
post #95 of 247
3/31/10 at 9:38am
As a side note, here's a link to some school lunches from around the world for comparison. The French eat a lot of french fries based on this.

V
post #96 of 247
3/31/10 at 10:52am
His petition:

http://www.jamieoliver.com/campaigns...ution/petition
post #97 of 247
3/31/10 at 3:22pm
Just watched his TED talk... had me in tears....
post #98 of 247
3/31/10 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Violet2 View Post
As a side note, here's a link to some school lunches from around the world for comparison. The French eat a lot of french fries based on this.

V

the malawi meal looked the best to me.
post #99 of 247
4/2/10 at 11:27pm
I didn't get to watch the entire episode tonight BUT did JO get the heavy set girl any medical care? She likely has a hormonal issue that needs to be assessed.

This is my real concern with this show. Healthy food is not enough. 10-20% of women have PCOS and that means insulin resistance which eventually means diabetes. High carb, low fat (i.e. pasta with veggies as JO fed that prediabetic kid) will slowly kill women with PCOS-- I know. I followed all the 'expert advice' and am now paying for it.

I find it so irresponsible that JO and our society pretend it is simply about cutting out fat and junk when it's not.

And that poor girl saying she's tried every diet and has no 'motivation'. So she's believing what society tells her; that it's her fault when in reality it is science that has failed her. Prevailing nutritional science and advice is a slow death for quite a large segment of our population.

I feel so bad for that poor girl. I hope JO takes her to the doctor too!!!!! She needs more than just a diet.

V
post #100 of 247
4/3/10 at 12:02am
He did not get her any medical care in this episode. And I really agree with everything you said. I also have PCOS.

However, I think he is doing an amazing job. He's got the right idea. He wants the kids eating real food. Let's just start there. I mean when the schools are counting french fries as vegetables...I think JO is doing a pretty darned good job with a small portion of pasta with seven vegetables and a salad. He's not a doctor, he's just a good guy trying to get good people to eat real food.