A question regarding the health of your unvaccinated children. - Page 2

[amberskyfire]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Their culture does provide for autism as a disorder. The last I read the only cases of Autism found in the Amish community were in non-Amish children vaccinated before adoption. Though I don't know if a formal study has been done or this was only the research of the reporter.

It's also possible that it could be genetic. That's what I'm hearing the studies are finding these days. In the Amish community there might be less interference with an outside gene pool which could have something to do with it. They tend to marry within the Amish community.

[PlayaMama]

neither my vaxed ds nor my unvaxed dd have autism. it does not run in either of our families either.

i think you may want to ask this in the sn forum where there are kids on the spectrum. i know there are plenty of unvaxed kids that are on the spectrum and plenty of vaxed kiddos that aren't.

for me ASD was not a compelling reason not to vax.

[muldey]

Dd was vaxed until 2.5 yo,she's now 11 and no autism.Ds had one vax for hep b,which was forced,and he does have autism,asperger's.I don't know if that one vax is to blame,he's had open heart surgery and was on the heart and lung machine for a while.He also has a microdeletion of his 2nd chromosome,so who knows what caused it.My dad is also on the spectrum.Other than that both kids are very healthy.

[soso-lynn]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Their culture does provide for autism as a disorder. The last I read the only cases of Autism found in the Amish community were in non-Amish children vaccinated before adoption. Though I don't know if a formal study has been done or this was only the research of the reporter.

Were those adopted children in any followed by social wokers and whatnot? How they came to be diagnosed would be important. Also, most adopted kids are vaccinated since they normally go through CPS or some other government agency. I would also want to know the family history of those children. Were their bio-parents autistic? Does the trauma of adoption make children more vulnerable? (In short, if you have a link or reference to that study, I'd love to read it)

I get somewhat annoyed at arguments that point to other places/communities where XYZ does not exist. Disorders such as autism have such strong roots in the social and discursive context of a specific society or part of society that there is really no way to make a convincing argument about prevalence by comparing 2 cultures.

I think that this "autism epidemic" some people are talking about is really nothing more than the growing awareness about autism. My father was autistic but was labeled as weird and withdrawn since it was not a common diagnosis to make at the time. I can easily pass as non-autistic as an adult (people will think I am quirky, geeky, strangely opinionated, reclusive, etc). I was only flagged as having a disorder when I moved to a bigger city because autism was not something that was part of society in the tiny rural places I lived before (they did not have the same rigid structures bigger schools need to have).

I really do not think that there is enough evidence to confirm or disprove a link between autism and vaccines. I do think that there are so many other reasons not to vax that it does not really matter to me too much.

[KarenEMT]

DS#1 - fully vaxed - Asperger's

DS#2 - selective/delayed vax - few sensory issues, possibly central auditory processing, but def. not ASD

DD - no vax - neurotypical

Additional comment: I am as neurotypical as they come but both DH and his dad (FIL) have many ASD traits

[angelpie545]

DD#1 - Two vaccines, no autism, a few sensory issues that I suspect are genetic and have nothing to do with vaccines or anything else. In general she's pretty healthy, although she gets the flu quite a lot. However, she nearly always recovers very quickly and has needed antibiotics only a handful of times in her life, mostly when she was an infant.

DD#2 - No vaccines, no autism, wasn't sick at all for the first 11 months of her life. When she did get sick, it was bad. Very bad. It took her a month to get better and in the process we discovered that she was allergic to milk, took her off it, and almost immediately she started returning to her old self. Since then she's been a bit more sickly then her sister-she's had a bout with MRSA, and a really scary bout of pneumonia which required her to have a few at-home breathing treatments with an inhaler and antibiotics. Besides those things she's been pretty healthy. Both girls have had the chicken pox and recovered well. They're not very prone to colds and minor illnesses.

DS- Well, he's only two weeks old, so we'll have to see with him. So far no vaccines; I plan to selectively vaccinate him. He has some impetigo right now that we're treating with an antibiotic ointment but that's the only thing so far that's concerned me.

[MadziesMom]

My twin girls will be three next month
No vax so far no Autism.. minor sensitivities to artificial colors in food. So we just don't buy that. Tends to come out in a rash and aggressive behavior.

Blessings!

[Bebegim]

My 3 year old is no-vax and no-asd.

she does seems to cough after drinking cows milk, but nothing serious... she also gets a red rash when she eat hummus... or any food dies, especially pink (like on cupcakes). It only last for about an hour though.

Otherwise, awesomely healthy balance! It was a rough fall/winter with back-to-back-to-back colds, but I believe it was a necessary step in the development of her robust immune system and so glad it happened, as we are expecting #2 now and would definitely prefer not to be sick all fall/winter this year AND pregnant!

[onthemove]

2 unvaxed dd's (7 and 9) neither has autism and both very healthy, neither has ever had a prescription drug.

[akind1]

DS is only 4.5 months old, so who's to say? he's very social though. (as social as a 4.5 month old can be anyway)

he's not vaxed at all, and frankly, autism wasn't a reason on my list of them not to vax. it had more to do with the diseases themselves, and all the other multitude of questionable ingredients in vaccines that I think don't belong in a baby - or any other human -

DH and I are not autistic either - though I think I'd would test positive for ADD - DH was vaxed all the way, and on schedule. Many of mine were delayed until school age, not really on purpose, we just moved a lot and mom didn't bother until she had to

FWIW maternal grandmother had nearly all the diseases that there are vaccines for - measles, mumps, pretty sure she had whooping cough, I know she had scarlet fever - and she survived them. This to me, was a bigger reason not to vaccinate (see, people get sick, and they get better - and this was back in the 30's and 40's, before much of the newer meds and treatments)

We'll see about DS though, as far as any other illnesses. Thus far, he's not gotten more than a little cold.

[SoCaliMommy]

Autism was never a reason for my stopping vaxing my kids.

DD was vaxed til age 3. She is now 6 and was diagnosed with ADHD-Inattentive Type and Language & Speech Impairment and Auditory Processing Deficit. We also found out when she had her first ear infection that she was allergic to amoxicillin., which her dr found strange since it was the first time she had taken it.

DS was vaxed til 4months old. He's now almost 4. He does seem to have a sensory issue with tags if he gets his hand on scissors he will just the tags out and some noises he will cover his ears.

[J_Mac]

"Do any of your vaccinated or partially vaccinated children have Autism?

Do any of your 100% UNvaccinated children have Autism?"

I have one fully vaccinated son with classic autism. He is 15.

My completely unvaccinated child carries a diagnosis of PDD-NOS. He also has food allergies (milk, wheat) and had asthma as a toddler. He is 7 years old.

[mamadelbosque]

My Ds1 is 3 and totally vax-free as is Ds2 (8 months), and neither appear to have any sort of autism, asthma or allergies of any sort...

[-Grace-]

My unvaxed daughter doesn't have autism. Among my friends, there are 2 unvaxed kids and 1 vaxed kid with autism. This certainly doesn't point to autism as the cause of autism.

[SpottedFoxx]

I live not too far from Amish country and I've seen Amish children who display autistic behavior.

[columbusmomma]

DS, partially vaxed, no autism but has ADHD.
DD, completely unvaxed, no autism.

[kittywitty]

Three partially vaxed kids (stopped when the 3rd was little and I found out I had the legal right to stop) do not have autism.

4th child is completely unvaxed and no autism.

My second child has SID but I think that was mostly due to birth issues and some genetic (I have the some of his same sensory issues).

[MrsJewelsRae]

My 3 children are all unvaccinated, none of them have autism (though the youngest is only 1.5). My kids are quite healthy, rarely ever go to the doctor, never go on prescription meds. My dd has eczema- which is inflamed by cow's milk and soy but has been almost a non issue for over a year now and is allergic to penicillin. My youngest is seemingly allergic to eggs. I have severe asthma and allergies and endometriosis.

[OdinsMommy0409]

Yes, my partially vaccinated (on alternative schedule) son was vax-injured at 7 months and immediately regressed in addition to suffering pituitary injury. We've been vax-free since then and have been using the biomedical approach and GAPS for recovery since 10 months.

Edited to add: ASD was never a reason for our choice for the alternative schedule, and we certainly never thought our DS would be a child to develop ASD and incur vax injury.

[kittywitty]

Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx

I live not too far from Amish country and I've seen Amish children who display autistic behavior.

I worked in Special Ed in Illinois, and I had one severe/profound Amish girl with Autism. They attributed it to a bad fever as a child. She was Amish and was dx with Autism, but we didn't know why the fever was attributed to it or if they only realized it after that point.

And autism is not why I do not vaccinate.