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post #41 of 71
5/5/10 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
My decisions about vaccination had nothing to do with Autism. I find Autism to be a label for a collection of symptoms, b/c our science community doesn't have a clue what they are looking at or what causes "it." In my neuroscience hobbying, I've come to see a wide collection of illnesses and neurodegenerative diseases function similarly. And it seems to me that the primary culprit is...any environmental factor that damages the brain/nervous system. That would automatically include the heavily loaded vaccines on our CDC schedule, but that also means anything/everything else from toxins to deficiencies to birthing etc are included.
I agree and have an interest in similar subjects.

I've begun to wonder if there really is only one disease and we have named sets of concurrent symptoms, not actual causes or origins. It was through studying neuroscience and the endocrine system that I began to see connections and further investigated those to find what seems like just one dis-ease of the human organism that often simply presents according to a variety of conditions, rather than thousands of individually affective diseases that are distinct from one another.

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Originally Posted by PlayaMama View Post
i know there are plenty of unvaxed kids that are on the spectrum and plenty of vaxed kiddos that aren't.
This is definitely the case, and that this is also true about any number of risk factors and their diseases as we have categorised them, supports (though doesn't conclude) the abovementioned idea. The human body is a unique organism that functions as part of a larger organism alongside other organisms; when something has gone awry- anything- we have dis-ease and when the conditions change or were different from one organism to the other, the symptoms reflect that, but there is (or may be) just dis-ease as a general manifestation of imbalance somewhere in the body or bodies of synergistic organisms.

So while my dc have not been vaccinated (and will not be in the future), it is not because I am trying to avoid the risk factors for a disease/disorder, or even a specific set of symptoms that they may have experienced should I have had them vaccinated; those risk factors may still exist from a different source (this is why many refer to 'toxic load' rather than being as concerned with individual vaccines and their ingredients).

Instead, I focus on whole health of the 'terrain' from their/our bodies to our home environment to our location on the earth to how we interract with the earth and its inhabitants, etc....

If vaccines even 'worked' (which I absolutely do not believe they do, at least in any beneficial way, and there is yet to be a single bit of hard evidence to support a benefit of vaccines), they would be like putting a bandaid on a maimed leg; they just don't address health at all, and health is the default, not sickness.

Vaccines are an attempt to curb illness, but imagine trying to live the rest of one's life with that mentality. Try curbing war by standing guard, armed at your gate, or curbing sexual infidelity by removing one's genitals or just their functionality through chemical disruption. Doesn't it make more sense to nurture the health of relationships with others through the myriad beneficial ways that we can relate with one another, rather than focusing or acting on trying to prevent the negative outcomes of not doing so?

Sorry to meander off-topic. I should read here more often so that I could post subject matter in the appropriate thread...
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post #42 of 71
5/23/10 at 11:53pm
My fully-vaxed-until-age-3 DD doesn't have autism. She does have a severe, incurable, autoimmune disease called idiopathic eosinophilic esophagitis, a disease that co-occurs frequently with autism and/or mitochondrial disease. She's one of the lucky ones that can actually eat food, as opposed to having a g-tube and elemental formula and absolutely no food or drink for potentially years at a time. I believe that the vaxes she had made her condition worse. She has only gotten healthier and healthier since we stopped vaccinating her completely. Her disease has made our family's life a living hell.

My son had five vaccines total to age one. I was very wary because of my DD's condition. Not wary enough, though, since he ended up with an "at risk for PDD" diagnosis at 18 months. He has permanent neurological damage that was acquired in infancy with low tone and SPD. We've been fighting tooth and nail to get him to the point that he's going to be in a NT kindy class in the fall. He's doing great and will never have another vaccination until he's approaching adulthood, if then.

I now think that autism is the tip of the iceberg for all the things that can go wrong with those 20+ vaxes by age 2.
post #43 of 71
5/24/10 at 1:51am
Five children. No allergies or chronic problems.
post #44 of 71
5/24/10 at 2:18am
No autism; asthma and allergy-free here:

DS1 fully vaxed until 2
DS2 vaxed until 4 months
DD is unvaxed
post #45 of 71
5/24/10 at 9:01pm
My 2-year-old is completely unvaxed and healthy as can be!! No autism here.
post #46 of 71
5/24/10 at 11:27pm
My oldest is partially vaccinated, and has some neurological issues which at times look like autism. She's not been evaluated as of yet, but we are in the process of getting a diagnosis because she needs more help than we've been able to give her on our own.

My youngest is completely vaccine free, and has none of the issues that my oldest has.

I definitely think there is a connection between vaccines and neurological issues in certain children (meaning not all neurological issues are necessarily the result of vaccines ).
post #47 of 71
5/26/10 at 6:07pm
We have 5 children, (13, 7.5, 6.5, 5, 1) and another on the way. We do not vax. We do not even see a doctor for anything routine..we see a doctor for serious illness or injury that can't be treated with natural care from mom.

None of our children have allergies, asthma, autism, neurological issues, immune issues or developmental issues. We use herbs to supplement our health and immune system, and to treat any illnesses that come up.

This year, all of our children and my husband and I had 1 minor cold, and our baby has had 3 minor colds, with one being "more" than just a simple cold, in that he had a fever for the first time.

DS2 had mild eczema as a toddler, that he has apparently grown out of, and both daughter's have a mild form that flares rarely, generally with a cold coming on, or an extreme weather change. Their dad has a form of eczema on his hands only, that is well controlled, so I think it's more hereditary than environmental.

We are blessed, and I don't take it for granted. However, I do know that I'm in a situation where I don't have to worry, wonder or try to uncover what a vaccine may have done. If they become ill or have a health issue, I'll know it isn't from vaccines!
post #48 of 71
5/29/10 at 12:28am
None of my kids have received any vaccines. My oldest has SPD and has been labelled by the school district as "mild autism"...I believe that if he were vaccinated, he'd have worse symptoms. He has food allergies and eczema. My second born and my third child seem typical...but we'll see.
post #49 of 71
5/29/10 at 1:53am
2 nephews with autism, both fully vaxed.

You may be interested in reading about Dr Eisensteins practice in IL. A group of drs with a lg # of non-vaccinating families. Out of these families they have a near zero rate of autism.


http://homefirst.com/info-1/vaccine-...-practice.html


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"We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated.
And here's a video clip
post #50 of 71
5/29/10 at 7:13am
DD is completely vax free, and 100% healthy. She's a 2 yo and has never even had a cold. I know so many people who's kids are always sick, they all fully vaxed on schedule. That being said, both DH and I were vaxed. We rarely get sick, however, we both have pretty terrible allergies and I have food allergies.
post #51 of 71
5/31/10 at 5:11pm
I wish I had time to elaborate, but I have a 5 day old who likes to nurse around the clock However, I thought I would reply....

I have a 5.5 yr old who is fully vaxed(until age 3) who is on the autistic spectrum
I have a 4.5 yr old who was vaxed until age 2 who has SEVERE eczema, which is not in my family

My 20 month old is totally unvaxed and is healthy as a horse and has not dealt with any of the issues my older 2 have. My newborn will not be vaxed.
post #52 of 71
7/30/10 at 4:33pm
my DS who has not been vaccinated at all is on the spectrum.
post #53 of 71
7/30/10 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by firsttimemama View Post
my DS who has not been vaccinated at all is on the spectrum.
Vaccines are not the only source of environmental insults to the body. No doubt the symptoms would be worse with vaccines. I think if you took your child to see a DAN! doctor, the chance of recovery and the ease of recovery would be a lot better than with a vaccinated child.

Also, have you looked into Lyme disease as a possible contributing factor?
post #54 of 71
7/30/10 at 7:54pm
Two completely unvaxed kids here. Neither are on the spectrum.

They are incredibly healthy. My DD only had her first ear infection at 4 years old and her first GI bug at 5 years old. My DS has not had any ear infections, GI bugs, or other "common" childhood issues. A few colds here and there, over the years. And he recovered quickly and uneventfully from pertussis.
post #55 of 71
7/31/10 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by ma2two View Post
Vaccines are not the only source of environmental insults to the body. No doubt the symptoms would be worse with vaccines. I think if you took your child to see a DAN! doctor, the chance of recovery and the ease of recovery would be a lot better than with a vaccinated child.

Also, have you looked into Lyme disease as a possible contributing factor?
I agree with you completely about his symptoms would be worse if he were vaccinated. I didn't vax because I thought he was at increased risk of autism based on our family history of autoimmune disease and it seems I was right.

I went to a DAN dr last week. He gave us a labcorp order so marked up I'm afraid it's going to take 3-4 visits to get it all done. Not sure Lyme is on it.. need to read it.
post #56 of 71
7/31/10 at 2:16am
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Originally Posted by firsttimemama View Post
I went to a DAN dr last week. He gave us a labcorp order so marked up I'm afraid it's going to take 3-4 visits to get it all done. Not sure Lyme is on it.. need to read it.
A Lyme test from Labcorp would be totally useless, and I think a DAN! doctor would know that. So I doubt he ordered a Lyme test. Lyme tests should be done by Igenex. http://igenex.com/Website/ Labcorp does have a good CD57 test, though.
post #57 of 71
7/31/10 at 2:48am
DD1 is fully vaxed (she's 14, so according to the schedules that were present as she went through baby and toddler-hood.) She is incredibly healthy, only going through minor colds and such, like most folks. The only exception...she got chicken pox when she was in kindergarten (vax was very new when she was little, not on the schedule and optional and we opted out of it due to newness.) After her bout with CP, she immediately caught a throat infection, that although minor, caused her tonsils to swell. And almost immediately after getting rid of that, which took longer than norm, she caught another, causing swelling again. All in all, between January and April, she had 5 throat infections, her tonsils were so big they were touching and she was really starting to get run down. She was scheduled to have her tonsils removed in August and caught three more infections between April and August. Tonsils came out and she's been totally healthy since then. I totally believe that the CP affected her immune system enough that it prevented her from really fighting off the throat infections the way she normally would have and that having her tonsils removed was an indirect result of having caught CP. She has no allergies or other issues. (she was also 100% formula fed)

DD2 is 20 months and was fully vaxed up until 1 yr. Our dr doesn't do vaxes at all in his office, he directs everyone to the health department so that's where we have been doing them. I missed her 12mo vaxes due to illness and we just haven't had time to get back in to get caught up. DD2 has had more health issues than dd1-she got RSV at around 2 months old, she had a stomach bug about 6 months or so ago that caused her to throw up 15 times in 5 hours, we almost went to the ER for dehydration. And we just got over an unexplained 24 hour fever of 102. (this one was also BF for the first few months)
post #58 of 71
7/31/10 at 8:48am
I have a 7 1/2, 3 1/2, and 2 year old not vaxed. None of them have sensory issues, asthma, allergies, or ASD.

I do have 3 cousins, all boys, the first was fully vaxed and has severe ASD (will never, ever be able to live on his own), then 2nd was selectively vaxed and has ASD but may be able to live on his own with assistance and the 3rd is completely unvaxed and has no issues (they are 19, 17, and 10). When I was first made the decision about not vaxing, it had everything to do with the ASD issues my cousins have. After much research, I do not believe they have "autism" as much as I believe that they have heavy metal toxicity and that there may be something in the genes that is getting tripped by the vaxes...which is why I am unwilling to chance it with my own children.
post #59 of 71
8/2/10 at 7:43pm
My partially vaxed child is a highly functioning autistic child. My unvaxed children are not autistic.
post #60 of 71
8/4/10 at 5:30pm
There are a lot of reasons not to vaccinate, but autism should not be one of them. The supposed link between the MMR vaccine and autism has recently been debunked. In fact, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the doctor who "discovered" the link was recently disgraced and stripped of his license to practice medicine for falsifying the results of his vaccine study. I'm not concerned about it in the slightest.
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