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Magnesium (deficiency, supplementation, etc)

post #1 of 41
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So I have just finished reading a book called "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" about using magnesium oil topically to bypass the gut absorption issues (and loose stool!) that can occur with oral magnesium supplementation. Also, studies have shown that cell magnesium levels reach proper levels in about 1/4 the time as with oral supplements.

But really, I am getting ahead of myself. The book claims that at least 68% of the American population is magnesium deficient, due to the fact that the body doesn't hold on to mag as well as other minerals (because it used to be so abundant). Also that our diets used to include an average of 500mg daily and is now (for women) around 225. This due to depleted soil and the standard American diet. And finally that many issues in our modern lives (stress, lack of sleep, etc) lead to magnesium loss (and higher requirements)

If you believe everything this guy has to say in his book, most of us could be improved if not healed by higher magnesium levels.

Well, now I eat a nutrient dense diet of organic and beyond organic food (some of it grown in re-mineralized soil locally). But I ate a relatively poor diet for 20+ years, and I think I have been mag deficient forever, and can't seem to absorb enough through the great food I now eat.

My likely symptoms of meg deficiency are:

Mitral Valve Prolapse with unexplained "chest pain" (minor, thank goodness)

Moderate anxiety and mostly mild depression intermittently through my whole life

Tension (in the sense of tight muscles--even when I was doing modern dance, yoga, and working out with a serious stretching program--all of that several times a week and I could hardly touch my toes!)

Mild intermittent constipation

Trouble falling asleep (mind racing, can't get comfortable)

I also lay down calcium like mad--I had a tongue piercing in college and would get tons of calcium on it, and I am healing mild-moderate gum disease right now with lots of calcium/calculus.

For these reasons I think I have been mildly or even moderately mag def. forever, but then when I was pregnant (and my mag needs went up), I developed:

Pregnancy-induced hypertension
Tingling/numbness in hands (may have been carpal tunnel)

After an overnight (so no sleep at all) and somewhat (for me) traumatic birth (both magnesium depleting), I suffered these post partum:

PP stress/anxiety (as in panic attacks, deathly afraid to go to sleep)

Something like hallucinations (I thought I was bouncing while sitting up in bed, I really totally felt like I was bouncing).

I was paranoid, thought I was going to die in my sleep, thought if I went to the hospital for my blood pressure (which was higher pp than before the birth--now at 180/130!) that I'd ruin my son (bonding, nursing, etc).



Now (he's almost 3) I still have mild anxiety on occasion, tension/tightness, and trouble falling asleep and getting back to sleep if woken (okay, when woken) during the night. The mild chest pain is intermittent and barely even "pain", but still not fun to 'feel' your heart!

We're thinking of getting pregnant soon, and I am trying desperately to prevent all that from happening again!

So I am thinking of trying the magnesium oil. There's really no risk involved, and so much to gain. Just curious if anyone else is thinking about magnesium or has an experience to share.

Thanks!
post #2 of 41
I've only used oral mag supps for myself, my irregular heartbeat became regular, and I saw improvement in my jaw pain due to grinding my teeth at night (less grinding, I mean). 6yo DD still needs it to fall asleep each night, as a toddler she was the Energizer bunny. Early on, I wasn't even particular about what type of magnesium I was using and I saw benefits.

Given that mag is stripped out of food easily, and it has detoxification purposes, and many of us weren't as careful at times as we should've been re: environmental toxin exposures or healthy diet, and given typical dietary intakes of mag, I'd be surprised if the number of people mag deficient isn't higher than 68%.

Mag deficiency can also be involved in type 2 diabetes and hypertension. Not saying it's the only thing involved with type 2, but mag deficiency reduces insulin sensitivity, when mag is the only variable they play with.

It's one of the easier minerals to supplement, I'd go for it.
post #3 of 41
I'd like to learn more about the transdermal magnesium oil. I think JaneS might have mentioned this, and tried it herself recently (?).
post #4 of 41
I've used both for about 10 years. Well, I've used oral and transdermal for that long. I just tried the gel, oil and lotion in the last five years. I have decent results, but I'm not so certain I totally buy that there's an issue with "lack of absorption" in the intestine. To me that's just people not looking at the balance and the big picture in general in most cases.

I talk to almost everyone I work with about magnesium because it is a very widespread issue.
post #5 of 41
Low magnesium is definitely a factor in my health issues. I have a connective tissue disorder with related TMJ AND mold sensitivities. Low mag is connected to all of these.

I still learn new stuff all the time. I didn't connect calcium deposits (like I used to have on my contacts, tons!) with this but it makes perfect sense.

I can't use oral mag right now b/c it makes my stomach acid too low. Epsom salt foot baths work for now. i'm going to make a lotion soon.
post #6 of 41
I put my kids and DH in a Epsom salt bath once a week (separately of course ), and myself, about 2-3 times a week. We all are sleeping better, and that is what I was looking for. I find it a really pleasant experience.I usually wouldn't waste the time (and water!) soaking in the tub but this gives me an excuse I add a few drops of lavender and patchouli EOs and soak away!
post #7 of 41
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Low magnesium is definitely a factor in my health issues. I have a connective tissue disorder with related TMJ AND mold sensitivities. Low mag is connected to all of these.

I still learn new stuff all the time. I didn't connect calcium deposits (like I used to have on my contacts, tons!) with this but it makes perfect sense.

I can't use oral mag right now b/c it makes my stomach acid too low. Epsom salt foot baths work for now. i'm going to make a lotion soon.
How do you know the oral mag makes your stomach acid low?? I can't take natural calm because it makes me nauseas so I'm wondering If that could be part of my problem too?
post #8 of 41
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How do you know the oral mag makes your stomach acid low?? I can't take natural calm because it makes me nauseas so I'm wondering If that could be part of my problem too?
I had reflux symptoms after taking it a few times and they went away when I stopped taking it. Plus, I was on the look out for it as my health issues have me predisposed to low zinc, which is connected with low stomach acid too.
post #9 of 41
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How do you know the oral mag makes your stomach acid low?? I can't take natural calm because it makes me nauseas so I'm wondering If that could be part of my problem too?
I tried the Natural Calm, and it made me so nauseous! I am excited to get my magnesium oil and bath flakes order I just put in with Ancient Minerals!

All this talk about Epsom Salt reminds me of taking it (orally--yuk!) during labor to bring down my blood pressure (it worked well/fast enough to keep me home!)
post #10 of 41
Many of the magnesium oils are magnesium chloride. You want (magnesium) sulfate for detoxification also.

Here is the Kirkman's Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) cream. http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProdu..._ID@124.aspx#b

Just be careful on the dose with a cream, you can get 'too much' magnesium if a large body surface area is covered.

We drink bone broths and Nettles infusions for magnesium. Here is more info about magnesium foods and benefits: http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75

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Excellent sources of magnesium include Swiss chard and spinach.
Very good sources of magnesium include mustard greens, summer squash, broccoli, blackstrap molasses, halibut, turnip greens, pumpkin seeds and peppermint.
There are numerous good sources of magnesium including cucumber, green beans, celery, kale and a variety of seeds, including sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, and flax seeds.
Pat
post #11 of 41
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Many of the magnesium oils are magnesium chloride. You want (magnesium) sulfate for detoxification also.

Here is the Kirkman's Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) cream. http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProdu..._ID@124.aspx#b

Just be careful on the dose with a cream, you can get 'too much' magnesium if a large body surface area is covered.

We drink bone broths and Nettles infusions for magnesium. Here is more info about magnesium foods and benefits: http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75



Pat
I eat a high magnesium diet NOW (we lived on bone broth all winter!), but I didn't for most of my life. I'm hoping after bringing my levels back up via transdermal therapy that the diet will come through for me then.
post #12 of 41
But best I remember, bone broth has a lot more calcium than magnesium. If you up your calcium consumption, which isn't a bad thing, you'll still need more magnesium than you're getting. There aren't that many things that have both a lot of magnesium and a lot more mag than calcium. Some exist, sure, but it's not an easy thing to get a lot, and a good ratio, via food.
post #13 of 41
Just an FYI, I picked up a 50 lb. bag of higher than food grade epsom salts at an urban feed store yesterday for $24. Much cheaper than I could find anywhere else. Heck, I could take a bath entirely in epsom salts now.
post #14 of 41
My HCP just put me on a transdermal gel. I am also on a cal/mag oral supplement, but I do have gut issues so we wanted to not leave that as the only pathway.
post #15 of 41
How do you make sure your taking the correct ratio of cal/mag?

Does everyone need cal/mag or is just mag fine in most cases?
post #16 of 41
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How do you make sure your taking the correct ratio of cal/mag?

Does everyone need cal/mag or is just mag fine in most cases?
MT used to say to supplement 1:1, since most Americans get calcium, but magnesium is deficient.

We only supplement magnesium. And drink bone broth for the calcium.


Pat
post #17 of 41
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How do you make sure your taking the correct ratio of cal/mag?

Does everyone need cal/mag or is just mag fine in most cases?
I've read most people should keep it between 2:1 and 1:2 for cal and mag. But I'd go by symptoms; DH needs a lot, maybe a mix of current stresses and an inherent higher need than I have? That's my best guess right now.
post #18 of 41
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Don't get me started on calcium magnesium ratios!

When I was having soaring blood pressure late pregnancy/early pp (the absolute most horrible 4 months of my life!!!!) my midwife recommended a cal/mag supplement. I understand her thinking and do not blame her, but because calcium and magnesium oppose one another (cal tightens, mag loosens--cal hardens, mag softens, etc) me taking a 2:1 cal:mag supplement (like alluded to above) just made my magnesium deficiency (and possible hypercalcemia) that much worse--likely sending my BP even higher and my anxiety through the roof!

I do not plan on adding any more calcium when I start my transdermal mag! I've actually backed down on the dairy/bone broth a bit because I think I was getting too much calcium (my son, too!) Once I get my mag levels up, then I'll be a little less careful about calcium (diet only, no need to supplement for me!)
post #19 of 41
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I've read most people should keep it between 2:1 and 1:2 for cal and mag. But I'd go by symptoms; DH needs a lot, maybe a mix of current stresses and an inherent higher need than I have? That's my best guess right now.
Ok so I what are typical symptoms of needing calcium?

I'm sure I need mag but since natural calm isn't working for me or DD I'm looking for a different route to go for us. Most of the "good quality" mag I'm finding is in combo with calcium
post #20 of 41
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Ok so I what are typical symptoms of needing calcium?

I'm sure I need mag but since natural calm isn't working for me or DD I'm looking for a different route to go for us. Most of the "good quality" mag I'm finding is in combo with calcium
What dosages have you done for yourself or your daughter? Did you hit bowel tolerance?

There are lots that are mag only, Perque Mg plus guard is mostly mag glycinate, there are other companies that make mag glycinate, I just forget the names. My kids are ok with mag citrate, I give them Now powdered mag citrate (look at all the choices, some are both cal and mag, but there's mag only).

From what I understand, people who reach bowel tolerance really easily with mag, at surprisingly/illogically low levels, may need to supplement calcium as well as magnesium. Muscle issues (cramps, irregular heartbeat) can be calcium related--for most people it would be magnesium, but if mag didn't address it, I'd try calcium.

I supplement some calcium because I don't think I get enough via diet, but I supp more mag.

Thorne makes a couple mineral supps, biomins and citramins, that have 300mg cal and 270mg mag. So if you need more mag than cal, it wouldn't work, but if roughly equal amounts would work (works for me, not for DH) then that's an option.

Thorne makes a mag citrate, mag asparate, and mag citramate (citrate-malate).
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