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I feel DS is being retaliated against!

post #1 of 21
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This has been a really crappy month for DS at school and I have never been more angry in my life with what is going on. I need to vent and if anyone has advice on how they would handle things, I would greatly appreciate it.

In the last 4 weeks, 7yo DS, 1st grade, has had to deal with the following:

1 - Being held down against his will in the boys bathroom.

2 - A computer teacher grabbing his hand hard and pushing it into the keyboard. He told me "It hurt mommy."

3 - A boy coming up and pushing him down hard on the pavement at recess to the point that he had to have his knees looked at by the school nurse.

4 - A child relentlessly verbally bullying him in class. This has actually been going on longer than 4 weeks, but came to a head this week when I found out nothing had been done when I talked to the teacher about it awhile back.

After the bathroom incident, I went to the principal and discussed it with him because the teacher did not return my phone call. They found the kid that did it and he was "dealt with".

The very next day, I hear about the teacher incident. After doing additional investigating with other parents, I find out that this teacher is EXTREMELY mean to all kids, verbally abusive to them (yelling, calling them names, threatening to send them to the principal for minor infractions, etc.). I also found out the kids were encouraged to go home and tell their parents what was going on by the homeroom teacher.

I called the principal and asked for a meeting with the computer teacher and the principal together. He refused, telling me I had to deal with the computer teacher first before he would get involved. I didn't expect her to tell me "Yes, I am mean and I grabbed your sons hand" but I talked to her anyways and got what I expected. She basically called my son a liar. I went straight to the school board and they started an investigation.

The other day, I got an email from the homeroom teacher telling me that DS told her if she didn't move him away from Sam (the child that has been bullying him) he would tell his mommy and she would come in and take care of it.

Later that night, I asked DS about the move and he said "I asked Ms. Teacher and she said "Blah, blah, blah Go sit down." "

I said "what exactly did you say?" He said "I said "My mommy told me you were going to move me and I was wondering when that would happen and then she told me to go sit down." I told him what she had said he said and he said "I did not say that! Why would she say I said that?" I told him that he could ask her at parent teacher conference.

Well, we talked about it at the conference and both of them are sticking to their story so someone is lieing. Since I have caught teacher in a lie before (nothing major) I tend to believe my son. After the conference, DS left the building, sat in the grass and cried saying "Why would she lie like that?" I really didn't know what to say.

The more I think about it, the more I totally feel he is being retaliated against for me calling the school board and is now being made out to be a liar so that they can say he is lying about the computer teacher incident.

I don't know what to do or how to help him handle this. We only have about 8 weeks left, but DS will have 2 more years at this school. I can't switch schools as private is the only other option and I can't afford it.

Sorry this got so long...thanks for letting me vent!
post #2 of 21
Wow that's a LOT for a 7 yr old to deal with! If it were me, this is what I would do. Call for an immediate meeting with the principal, the computer teacher, the school counselor and the other teacher involved. INSIST that this meeting will take place within 2 days or they will be speaking with your attorney. Do not back down - often they think if they put you off long enough, you'll go away.

At this meeting, bring in an outline of the events to date. No accusations, no debate on he said/she said, just this is what's happened so far (including the events your DS has told you about). Confront the homeroom teacher who said your son would be moved and ask him if it has happened yet, when it happened (if he does it between now and the meeting) etc. Let them know that at this point you do not care who is lying and who is telling the truth, but rather that the rest of the school year proceed in a peaceful manner to allow your child to learn in an un-bullied environment. Then ask what they expect to do to promote that. I would then finish off by letting them know that I considered this matter resolved and that I expected not to hear of any more instances along those lines or the next step would be their actually hearing from my attorney.

Honestly I normally encourage people to try to work it out with the teachers, but this has gone on long enough without being addressed.
post #3 of 21
I would be really angry, too. What strikes me in those accounts is a real lack of professionalism on the part of the teachers, both regarding the computer teacher's aggressive behavior and the fact that the homeroom teacher told kids to tell on the computer teacher. It might be a good thing to tell on the computer teacher but the general sense of the accounts you give makes me think that there is a lack of harmony and trust going on at the school. It doesn't sound like a warm, friendly place. I second the PP's ideas. Also, I'd visit the classrooms, sit there, and take notes. Make surprise visits. Parents can be very intimidating and time consuming to teachers. Make it easier for them to properly enforce rules and protect your son than have to deal with you.
post #4 of 21
I have dealt with the abuse of my ds(in K at age 5),but it was at the hands of children not teachers.Regardless,when I complained and had meetings I was told all was well and my son was HAPPY at school. In the end I had to decide who I was going to believe.I know if I had gone the school route my child eventually would stop complaining,but maybe in years to come could become an abuser himself.Or he could become so depressed that he would commit suicide.

In the end I believed my son.I pulled him out of school first citing in writing that the school was not doing their job of providing a safe and nuturing environment.I cited the incidents,but the school denied EVERYTHING.Then they cited me with truancy! I decided to formally withdraw him from the public school.He is now in a Montessori school,and I know that if things are not dealt with I can always remove him and move on.My only mistake was waiting and fighting to long.If I had acted sooner so much that was done to my son could have been avoided.He was different before going to that school.Abuse changes us all.

This is what I would recommend.Fight,but do not let your son suffer while you deal with this.If incidents are still occuring remove for safety and take matters abovd the principal.All schools have anti-bully policies,but I find them to be useless when the schools are in denial. Police reports are an option for physical incidents.I often thought: If this was done to me at work would it be considered ok? Most of what was done to my son would be considered illegal acts if done to an adult.Can you imagine co-workers/boss doing the 4 incidents you listed?

Hugs for your son and for you too.I know I felt so alone.Even family did not support me.No one wanted to cause waves.Even the principal told me one time," You are the ONLY parent to complain of bullying in this entire school." Meaning I am some sort of over protective mom.
post #5 of 21
I would switch schools.

The evidence is too strong, and tbh, it sounds like the school culture is one of bullying. You can fight for change - but it would be a long fight and take lots of energy and in the mean time you boy would suffer.

Kathy
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post
it sounds like the school culture is one of bullying.


Have you asked the private schools about financial aid or barter? Was there one in particular you liked?
post #7 of 21
Have you thought about reporting the incidents to CPS. It sounds like one teacher is being verbally abusive and the other is being physically abusive. I also think you should look into filing a report with the police next time he is physically hurt.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone! I think the advice to have a meeting with everyone, including the school counselor is a great idea. DS has already been pulled out of computer class so I don't think I need to have that teacher there.

And yes, I agree that there is a lot of unprofessionalism in the school. I wouldn't be surprised if the homeroom teacher got in trouble for telling the kids to talk to their parents which might be why she is angry at DS.

Our school is definitely not a warm and fuzzy type of school. Part of the reason is due to its size - it is humongous! There are approx 800 kids in the first grade class.

Eepster - I haven't looked at private schools in the area due to thinking I couldn't afford it. I wouldn't qualify for any financial aid because I make too much money. Yet, I am single so a big chunk of my check goes to pay the nanny. Which doesn't leave me with a lot of extra money.

We do have a charter school in the area. We missed the cutoff for the lottery for it, but I wonder if there would be any chance at all of getting him in there if I begged. Probably not, but it's probably worth a try.

I wish I could homeschool but with working a full time job there is just no way I could do it. Although I spent 15 minutes with DS today working on his handwriting and I think he learned more handwriting skills in that 15 minutes than he has all year in school.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by One_Girl View Post
Have you thought about reporting the incidents to CPS. It sounds like one teacher is being verbally abusive and the other is being physically abusive. I also think you should look into filing a report with the police next time he is physically hurt.
I hadn't thought to report to CPS but that is a great idea! I have thought that if I hear any more crap involving teachers, I am going to file a police report.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by MtBikeLover View Post
... I wouldn't qualify for any financial aid because I make too much money. Yet, I am single so a big chunk of my check goes to pay the nanny. Which doesn't leave me with a lot of extra money. ...I wish I could homeschool but with working a full time job there is just no way I could do it. Although I spent 15 minutes with DS today working on his handwriting and I think he learned more handwriting skills in that 15 minutes than he has all year in school.
Could you put together the curriculum and have the nanny do the homeschooling as his "tutor" or would that raise your nanny fees too much b/c she'd be there all day not just before & after school?

I don't normally like being confrontational either b/c I've had the backfire on me, but this doesn't sound like it is getting anywhere and your ds is suffering. Poor little guy! I'd consider the atty threat, CPS, or calling the newspaper. Can you get any other parents to speak with the newspaper or CPS so you aren't the lone voice?

I would expect that you and he will have a really tough time at the school if you get CPS or the newspaper involved, though. A group of parents spoke with our local paper about some serious issues at a local charter school my kids were attending a few years back. I agreed to speak with the paper as well and they semi-misquoted me (although the gist of what I said was accurate, they made me sound nonconversant in the English language). We showed up for school the day that the article was published & they wouldn't let me step foot inside the school. I normally volunteered that day and dd#1, who was six at the time, started crying and asking why I couldn't come in her class. I wound up just barging in, packing the kids up and withdrawing them that day. It was not a good scene for the kids at all.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by MtBikeLover View Post
T I haven't looked at private schools in the area due to thinking I couldn't afford it. I wouldn't qualify for any financial aid because I make too much money. Yet, I am single so a big chunk of my check goes to pay the nanny. Which doesn't leave me with a lot of extra money.
If there was a school in your area you liked, don't just "assume" you wouldn't qualify for aid. Even if they don't advertise that they have aid, they might. It never hurts to ask. My kids go to a private school because I barter my cooking talents. They don't advertise that aid is available but they would "never turn away a child that needed us". So you might be really surprised what you could turn up if you asked.

I agree that the atmosphere for this school sounds awful and I would be looking for a way to do something else next year!
post #12 of 21
What a horrible, rotten, crappy situation for your son. This is a HUGE reason why I have a HUGE problem with organized schooling. He's going to remember this forever and he's never going to understand why his teacher is such a UA violation to him. Why Why Why are these people given teaching certificates and why is it that parents are made to feel incompetent for standing up and being an advocate for their children? I really freaking hate what your child has to deal with and it's just so freaking wrong on so many levels, it makes no sense at all.
post #13 of 21
I think I would find a way to send my kid to another school. Seriously, a teacher who *won't* separate two children who are obviously having problems getting along? Yes, you do have to learn to get along with people who aren't your best friends--but this is FIRST GRADE, and you can learn to co-exist in a classroom without having to sit right next to each other and have things being whispered, getting kicked under a table, whatever might be happening. (I took 'kicked under the table' straight out of something I saw in DS's preschool not the one he is in now.)

The computer teacher's behavior is inexcusable.

And WHERE are the teachers when the kids are using the bathroom? I understand that maybe if someone really had to go during class, you *might* send them out, even in first grade, *if* the bathroom is really close by. But wouldn't he be gone long enough for *somebody* to check on him if someone was holding him down? first grade too should still have some times where the teachers take them and supervise...
post #14 of 21
How awful! I would definitely get him OUT! Our ds was in a not so good situation and we moved him to a new school. Ours was no where near this bad though. Personally I would get him out right away and change schools for the next year. That's insane that this behavious is tolerated! I'm so sorry your son has had to go through this...
post #15 of 21
I don't want to push something that won't work for you, but just a thought.

If homeschooling is interesting to you but you feel that you don't have the time, consider this. You would only need to spend about 2 hours a day homeschooling, if you do it every single day (including weekends and summers and such).

On the other hand I do understand that 2 hours on top of a full time job (and being a single mom) may well be too much. But it's potentially do-able in certain situations (if you're high energy, organized, etc.). It's something to consider, though.
post #16 of 21
When I pulled my ds out of K I homeschooled him until I placed him in a Montessori school.Another option is eschooling. The nanny could teach him during the day and you on the weekend. It does not take 8 hours a day.

In just 4 months my ds changed as a result of the bullying,and the actions of the adults involved.I was told by everyone to *just chill out* and eventually it would stop.What would have happened is my child would have stopped telling me what was done to him.He would have become angry.He would have become depressed.Maybe after some more time he might have commited suicide.

Do what you can now.It will take time for your child to heal once he is removed.NOTHING is worth allowing a child to be hurt.I regret the days that I dropped him off knowing what would happen to him even if the school said all was well.I should have pulled him sooner.

Again wishing you both better days to come.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by MtBikeLover View Post

We do have a charter school in the area. We missed the cutoff for the lottery for it, but I wonder if there would be any chance at all of getting him in there if I begged. Probably not, but it's probably worth a try.
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Call the charter school, explain your situation. See what they can do. It may take a while for a space to open up, but sometimes these things work out.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Hoopin' Mama View Post
Call the charter school, explain your situation. See what they can do. It may take a while for a space to open up, but sometimes these things work out.
And really,if they didn't at least try to work with you in your situation it'd be a sign that they aren't as good as it seems.
post #19 of 21
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And really,if they didn't at least try to work with you in your situation it'd be a sign that they aren't as good as it seems.
I wouldn't go *there*. If they are full, then they are full, and if they have other people who have been waiting all year on a waiting list, who also may have just as good reasons for wanting to get in, it's not fair to bump someone who just came along to the top. What do enrollment policies (having wait lists if spaces are full, and adhering to policies that try to be fair to everyone) have to do with how "good" a school is?

I am sure they'd be willing to put someone on a wait list, if any, and to make sure they were on the list for spaces available the following year.

I just have to speak to that as someone who is on the board of a charter-ish program, and who has to watch our poor enrollment folks do the best they can to be fair to everyone and try to make sure we serve as many kids as our resources allow us to, and they have to deal with parents with entitlement issues and who try to guilt trip them in to making an exception for them. We have an awesome program. It's why we tend to have people on wait lists. In the interest of making sure that our community knows that we are fair and giving all the kids and families who need/want us a shot at our open spots we have solid enrollment priority policies that we are very clear about and we adhere to them so that nobody has to worry about favortism or if they have to suck up to the enrollment people to make things happen. If someone is disappointed that there isn't a slot available, and the most we can do is put them on the waitlist and update them periodically (immediately if there's an open), then that doesn't make our program "not as good" as people thought it was. :/
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild View Post
I wouldn't go *there*. If they are full, then they are full, and if they have other people who have been waiting all year on a waiting list, who also may have just as good reasons for wanting to get in, it's not fair to bump someone who just came along to the top. What do enrollment policies (having wait lists if spaces are full, and adhering to policies that try to be fair to everyone) have to do with how "good" a school is?
Ooops, sorry, I meant that a good administrative staff would take the time to explain that sort of circumstance vs. giving a dismissive "you missed the cut-off, rules are rules" sort of response.

I don't think the availability of spots in the school is an indicator of the school's quality. I think how politely and kindly they work with MtBikeLover, whether they can let her ds in or not, will be an indicator of how they behave in general.
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