Please peak at this chart - No O yet or Low Prog?

[finnegansmom]

Ugh.

So I had solid crosshairs at CD11. Then FF made them dotted. Then FF took them away. Which makes sense, my temps are abnormally low low low. Although all signs point to O - and my nipples are killing me when I nurse which is a sign. Oh and I got more than 1 +OPK that day, on 2 different brands.... now they are very very negative.

Well just now I was playing with tomorrow's temp for fun and regardless of what temp I put it, it's putting my crosshairs back at cd 11. Umm what.

So, do you think I did O on day 11? And could I have low progesterone making my temps so low? My normal cycles prepreg I Od on CD 14/15.

Not sure if you can see my last cycle but my post O temps were high, which is normal for me. I don't even remember having my progesterone tested but I have had 2 normal pregnancy and one 12 week MC which I don't think was caused my progesterone. I'm just frustrated, and I bought a jar of progesterone cream (from walmart ) and I just researched it and I guess it's synthetic not NPC and it's known to cause cancer. Yikes. Rather not chance that.

Thanks for looking and sorry this is rambling. http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1bc90f

[karmab]

michelle, where are your coverlines usually at? i'm thinking maybe you just geared up to o but didnt on cd11, maybe the egg wasnt ready yet and called off the o. i wouldnt be surprised if you had another + opk tomorrow or the next day (or o in the next day or so and never catch the surge on the opk.) (this cycle my opk did go from stark white to blaring overnight, which surprised me.) for me, those temps would all be pre-o, and i do have a progesterone issue (and you are right, it doesn't really sound like you do.) my temp still goes into the 98s even without progesterone supplement, and my lp without it was only a piddly 7 days, so my progesterone is really whacked. i dont understand why you'd get cd11 crosshairs no matter what temp you put in tho.

[finnegansmom]

Thanks Karma. I do have a short LP, but I blame it on nursing but I'm not nursing all that much now (2-3 times a day) although we cosleep. My temp was still down today and the crosshairs are back, and my ewcm seems to be dried up.
My coverlines have been as low as 96.9 (the cycle I got pregnant with #2) to 97.5 (this cycle).
I'm still taking the OPKs just to check - even though dumb FF says I'm 5 DPO. Argh.

[Tear78]

I also think you geared up to O but probably didn't - your temps are pre-O when I look at your last chart. And I also don't see progesterone issues when I look at your last chart. I'm sorry, how frustrating to still be waiting to O! I hope it happens soon!

[finnegansmom]

Thanks for looking Tear. Out of the 2 options, I much rather not have Od yet than have low progesterone. If it's not one things, it's another....it's just frustrating to not have one single "normal" cycle in what feels like forever.

[TheDivineMrsM]

I agree with the PPs. I don't think you O'd yet. You're still getting EWCM until recently. The pattern for this cycle looks like the last one - and you O'd on CD18 there. See what your temps do in a day or two, but I think those crosshairs are going to move over. I don't think it's a progesterone issue, and I'd hold off using the cream until after you're sure you O'd.

[Tear78]

Originally Posted by finnegansmom

Thanks for looking Tear. Out of the 2 options, I much rather not have Od yet than have low progesterone. If it's not one things, it's another....it's just frustrating to not have one single "normal" cycle in what feels like forever.

I hear ya. I feel like the more cycles I temped, the less cut and dry/clear the whole thing became. TCOYF started to look really inadequate for explaining MY situation. Hang in there!

[sweetest77]

finnmom - I'm inclined to think that you did actually ovulate and that maybe you do have a progesterone problem this month, or that your cycle is just wonky this month. I think the spotting that coincides with the temp dip is another indicator that maybe it's your progesterone.

The three higher temps are definitely in your post O range and they happened after your positive OPK (I'm guessing this is why FF is so adamant about your O date!) If you had had a + OPK but no temp rise I would agree that you hadn't O'd yet.

Just my thoughts, I hope you get some clarity soon!

[karmab]

with todays temp, i would vote no o for sure. i bet your opks are pos again in a day or two. if you take the opk off the chart, does that change things? we all know how frustrating opks can be, dont we michelle!!!

[MNHall]

I agree with the others, I think the positive OPK threw things off at first. Seems like your body was gearing up to O and just didn't.

In your shoes, I'd keep up a BD pattern because this low dip could be your body gearing up to O again. I know you got a negative yesterday, but hopefully you'll get a positive in a day or two and then get a pretty jump in temp and there will be no more question about if you did or didn't!

Baby dust!

[MNHall]

I also wanted to add, after each of my losses, i had odd cycles (first loss was 2 odd cycles, second loss was 1 odd cycle)...super super frustrating because I felt like what was previously said, the more I charted, the more unclear it became. However following those odd cycles I had the most beautiful and clear charts (well, one much more beautiful, but still, clear!) And pregnancy was acheived. So...in your case, I'd just remember that between a loss and nursing, your body may still be trying to figure itself out. And in another couple months, you could be looking at a much clearer chart..or hopefully a BFP chart!

[finnegansmom]

Thanks for all your responses.

Sweetest, I thought so too about the spotting - but most of that spotting was pink or red tinged EWCM. So weird and totally not normal for me. I'm not a spotter. Ever. And the EWCM totally threw me, I had none of that last cycle.

MNHall, thanks for the kind words. I hope next cycle is back to normal and totally boring and expected.

Oh and I did take away the + OPK from last week and it didn't change my crosshairs. Weird.

I just took a OPK and it was So negative, I don't think the test line even showed up at all. Tomorrow it'll be Cd17 so hopefully in the next few days. Of course I'll have to keep stalking DH. He's onto me this cycle so he's being elusive.

Oh, I did just take my temp and it was almost 99....

[karmab]

fm, step away from the thermometer.... heehee.... just kidding, i do it too...

[sweetest77]

finn - I get the pink and red tinged EWCM during my LP (I'm on prometrium for LP spotting evan though my 7day progesterone was normal). I didn't need progesterone with my previous pregnancies (and I wasn't spotting then) but the last one was almost 6 years ago! Hope you get this figured out soon

[HulaJenn]

Didn't we obsess about potential lines on a hpt before you got AF?
Maybe it was a chemical pg and it is throwing your cycle off slightly this time? I don't think you O'd and agree with the gearing up theory. Don't fret about VERY neg OPK's you could wake up with a blaring positive tomorrow. Keep with the temping and the BDing!

[finnegansmom]

Originally Posted by HulaJenn

Didn't we obsess about potential lines on a hpt before you got AF?
Maybe it was a chemical pg and it is throwing your cycle off slightly this time? I don't think you O'd and agree with the gearing up theory. Don't fret about VERY neg OPK's you could wake up with a blaring positive tomorrow. Keep with the temping and the BDing!

We did. I had 2 super faint +s and then started bleeding, then stopped bleeding, then totally had AF 2 days later. I like to think it was just crappy ICs instead of yet another MC. *sigh* I lost a pregnant the beginning of Feb at 12 weeks, although that first cycle was oddly kind of normal.

Anyways, so FF yet again removed my crosshairs. Every other day it changes its mind. My nipples are killing me, to the point that nursing is becoming excruiating, and to me that is a sign that I'm about to O or already have so at least something is going on. Thanks to everyone who took the time to read my post and look at my chart. I appreciate your help!.