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post #81 of 126
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
I think a lot of people have a healthy sense of privacy and don't want their personal info in any government database.
Then I hope they don't have cars, any bank accounts, or expect tax refunds. Because that is having your information in a govt. database too.
post #82 of 126
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Originally Posted by EviesMom View Post
Originally in 1790, it was probably collected to track the number of slaves, women, and other non-voters in the country, wasn't there some calculation whereby 6 slaves=1 voting white man in calculating representation or population or something?
I have NA relatives on past Census but they were not considered citizens and not permitted to vote. So I am sure it was something like that.

Women, AAs and NAs were treated differently so they would need that information.

According to the Supreme Court some aspects of Affirmative Action require some proof of disparity, the Census would be one of the things used to prove that.
post #83 of 126
I don't really have a big issue with the census from a privacy standpoint. We get the mail once a week and I just got the Census this afternoon. Could have been there since last Tuesday for all I know. I'll fill it out tomorrow when I do all of our paperwork and finances.

Anyway, I will say the language is rather rude. Plus, the waste is colossal. I received a notice last week stating the census was arriving. I got another notice it was arriving and to fill it out immediately this week along with the actual census form this week. Is all that paper really necessary??? Not to mention the clog in the mail system? The cost of mailing is another story.

I went to the census website to find out about timing. The website is not particularly forthcoming in information. Sure, it answers questions, but in the barest and most superficial ways. I would appreciate brief answers with the option to read more detailed answers. It's not all that user-friendly, either.

Cannot say I am too impressed with Census 2010.
post #84 of 126
I think some people get freaked out by the American Community Survey, which asks A LOT of personal information. I think it is often confused with the Census.
post #85 of 126
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Originally Posted by hhurd View Post
Rhetorical question...then why do they still live in this country? There's been a census every 10 years since 1790. It's hardly a new development.
Well, it is not so easy to just pack up and move to a whole other country... besides, is there truly an anarchist society out there?
post #86 of 126
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Originally Posted by wemoon View Post
Well, it is not so easy to just pack up and move to a whole other country... besides, is there truly an anarchist society out there?
A lot of other countries also have a census so moving wouldn't be very effective if one was just trying to avoid the census.
post #87 of 126
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Originally Posted by Freud View Post
I think some people get freaked out by the American Community Survey, which asks A LOT of personal information. I think it is often confused with the Census.
(bolding mine)

This is because they're both run by the Census Bureau, and the ACS actually replaces the old "long form" census. It is extremely intrusive, asking for very detailed information (seriously, one of the questions on this year's form is what time each person left for work last week!). Like the actual census, completing the ACS form is REQUIRED BY LAW. If you don't do it, they'll call you constantly, show up on your doorstep trying to catch you at home, and generally frustrate you until you give in and cough up all the info. I don't *think* anyone has actually been prosecuted for refusal to participate yet, but the possibility is there.

We'll fill out our Census form as dutiful citizens should, but I sincerely hope the ACS form never crosses my mailbox. It could get...interesting.
post #88 of 126
I filled mine out just tonight. It was only our names, birth dates and race and whether we rented or owned. Nothing else!
post #89 of 126
I work for the census too. High five, OP!

My beef is with the race question. DH is descendant from the indigenous people of south america. Apparently in census land you can only be Black, White, Native American/Alaskan, Pacific Islander, or Asian. I consider DH to be "native american" as he his ancestry is that of people native to south america.. but i know thats not what they mean.. I guess in census land you can only be black, white, native american/alaskan, pacific islander, or asian. I wrote in "Indigenous Andean". you can't even choose Latino as a race because its not considered a race, but an ethnicity. what about Indians? do they have to choose "asian"? what about middle easterners?

as for DS, i had no idea. I think I put hispanic and white. which is not entirely accurate. but i didn't know what else to put.

very annoyed.
post #90 of 126
I do fill mine out, but....

Once upon a time I owed money to the government for student loans that I was awol on (I had no funds). You betcha I was worried when I filled out the form that Stats Canada (I am Canadian) was going to tell the Ministry of Education, who underwote my loan.

I can see people who owe taxes to the gov't being concerned as well.

Sometimes people do not want to fill out forms because they suspect strongly that one gov't agency does indeed talk to another.

I don't really think names and such are necessary for the census - all that should be required is a head and age (or age range) count. Any other info would be voluntary. While I would be willing to give my name etc, so my ancestors can look me up - if people do not want to do that it is fine. My right to privacy right now is higher than any ancestors desire (not even a right) to look me up.
post #91 of 126
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Originally Posted by Bunnyflakes View Post
But he would have rather died than give his SS# to a doctor's office. I thought that was a bit absurd. I mean, if you were dying and needed medical care.. but he was very serious about it.
I agree with him on this.. I had the same doctor for 13 years.. she died of cancer.. no one knows where my medical file went.. it had previous addresses, spouse name, ssn, birthdate... not to mention priviledged info I shared with my doctor.
post #92 of 126
ok, just came home from census training day one.
we got a few answers to questions, like why on earth are they sending out so many warnings and notices??
well, the answer is that in census history, the average number of respondants is around 25%. then they have to pay a ton of people to go out and talk to the people who decided not to send it back. so this year, they decided to put more money in ads and promotions, including those little warning cards, in hopes that more people would send it back promtly and not have to have someone paid to go out and visit them in their homes. it is designed to save money in the long run. we'll see if it pans out!
post #93 of 126
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
I think a whole lot of people see it as one step toward government-implanted chips in everyone, controlling our every move. How people arrive at this conclusion is a mystery to me. But so many are so willing to believe and spread rumors - like that the census asks for your SS#, for example.

Just like homebirth is illegal in some states, if you dare to homeschool or are fond of the right to own a firearm, that can come back to bite you in the rear end in the future - especially if you've got it on paper in black and white.
post #94 of 126
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Originally Posted by MadiMamacita View Post
ok, just came home from census training day one.
we got a few answers to questions, like why on earth are they sending out so many warnings and notices??
well, the answer is that in census history, the average number of respondants is around 25%. then they have to pay a ton of people to go out and talk to the people who decided not to send it back. so this year, they decided to put more money in ads and promotions, including those little warning cards, in hopes that more people would send it back promtly and not have to have someone paid to go out and visit them in their homes. it is designed to save money in the long run. we'll see if it pans out!
There was a guy from the Commerce Department on The Daily Show a couple of weeks ago. He said each letter (the before and after) increases response rate by about 4-6%. And each 1% increase rate saves about $85million in spending to send workers out to the addresses without response. Those are impressive numbers. So, yeah, for those of us who would fill it out anyway, those before and after letters seem silly, wasteful and redundant. But, according to that dude, they work!
post #95 of 126
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Originally Posted by dawningmama View Post
There was a guy from the Commerce Department on The Daily Show a couple of weeks ago. He said each letter (the before and after) increases response rate by about 4-6%. And each 1% increase rate saves about $85million in spending to send workers out to the addresses without response. Those are impressive numbers. So, yeah, for those of us who would fill it out anyway, those before and after letters seem silly, wasteful and redundant. But, according to that dude, they work!
I saw that segment. Those numbers are INSANE.
post #96 of 126
I filled it all out and am going to mail it back today.. I was just excited at the idea of knowing that some day, many many years from now, one my great grandbabies might be doing genealogical research and find it.

I was somewhat disappointed that there was no way to properly indicate my foster children and it was painful to have to mark my son, whom we're finally going to be formally adopting in May, as "other non-relative."
post #97 of 126
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Originally Posted by mran View Post

I was somewhat disappointed that there was no way to properly indicate my foster children and it was painful to have to mark my son, whom we're finally going to be formally adopting in May, as "other non-relative."
yeah, the forms seem like they have not been updated since 1790.. they could use some changes to reflect upon modern family structures. maybe for 2020?
post #98 of 126
The only issues I have are with some of the wording, but the information itself isn't a big deal. Yes, we live here . . . these are our birthdays . . . we're white. It's not really asking ANYTHING meaningful.

I'm not thrilled about the WASTE, though. A letter to warn you that it's coming, followed by the actual census, followed by at least one post card so far reminding us to fill it out? So unnecessary.
post #99 of 126
I just filled mine out. Not a big deal. I've never got an ACS form in my life, though. Never even knew they existed!
post #100 of 126
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Originally Posted by mran View Post
I filled it all out and am going to mail it back today.. I was just excited at the idea of knowing that some day, many many years from now, one my great grandbabies might be doing genealogical research and find it.

I was somewhat disappointed that there was no way to properly indicate my foster children and it was painful to have to mark my son, whom we're finally going to be formally adopting in May, as "other non-relative."
Aww thats just a number of days off from April 1st I think I might have fudged and put him as yours.
I hated marking Dd as adopted I wish it had just said, legal children (birth or not they are all mine)
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