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post #1 of 20
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My son is ten, almost eleven years old. He's in grade five. He rode his bike to school today just to hang out, like he does sometimes, like a lot of kids do. He came back very unhappy, near tears.

There was this boy there who, ds explains, is always mean to him. This time when my son showed up the boy said, "What are you doing here, Stupid?"

Ds explained to me that this started two years ago when they were on the same Little League team. I gather that the boy started calling him names back then. Ds described how there was this time when they were both on 3rd base, the boy was covering it, and ds had just run to 3rd. The inning ended and the boy started to run back to the benches, turned around and said, "Oh right, I forgot" and stomped on ds's foot.

I said, "What a pathetic, sad kid" to ds.

Ds says this year they had an assembly about bullying. The principle said the reason bullies bully is because they can. I don't even know what that means, but it seems monumentally unhelpful. Is my son supposed to take comfort from that? Maybe that's supposed to mean it's not personal? Anyway, I told ds that I learned that sometimes kids bully other kids because they have been bullied by someone else: an older sibling, a parent, a neighbor. I know it doesn't make the situation go away, but maybe it will help him understand partly why this happened.

My son is like me and he is awkward. He's utterly sincere and kind of nerdy. It's only going to get worse.

Anyway, do you have any insight for me? How would you help your child in a situation like this?

And has anyone read books about bullying and getting along that were truly helpful?
post #2 of 20
I don't really have any words of wisdom but wanted to give some . I pretty certain my older ds will be like this and I am very worried. It's part of the reason I feel like I want to homeschool but on the other hand I feel like I want him to be exposed to all kinds of people? Not sure. Anyway, I'm really sorry your son has to deal with this.
post #3 of 20
Well, the phrase "bullies bully because they can" means that you can't bully someone who won't be bullied. So, if your ds stood up to him, there is a very, very good chance the kid will back off. There's also a chance he'll get beat up. Which to me, is a fairly iffy equation and not one I want to set my kid up for.

If it were me, I'd probably enroll my child in karate or something similar to help them with body awareness and confidence. I'd teach them non-aggressive ways to continually diffuse the situation, and encourage them to view the other kid as in need of love and compassion. It's true that bullies are also usually very insecure and act that way because it gives then a temporary "high" and a sense of power.

I also, maybe, would consider inviting the other kid over and trying to build a relationship. But I'd have to think long and hard about that and how to go about it.
post #4 of 20
I have heard good things about, but not read, "The Bully, the Bullied, and the Bystander" by Barbara Coloroso. She's also written some other classic AP parenting books so I would expect this one to be really good, also.

Sorry he's having to go through this and hope you can find some wisdom in dealing with it.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you Cody's (and Ethan's) Momma! I really appreaciate the hug. I hope you can get something from this thread, too.

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Well, the phrase "bullies bully because they can" means that you can't bully someone who won't be bullied.
That makes sense. And I think that's what's at the core of this. On top of being a little awkward, ds is sensitive and he misunderstands people. I think his being awkward wouldn't be as much of a problem if he didn't go from zero to ticked off so quickly, and mistunderstand people's intentions. He told me he really wanted to just pound the kid but he knew it would just make the situation worse. I praised him for doing the right thing (and told him it's totally understandable that he wanted to hit the kid).

I hope it doesn't sound as though I'm blaming my son for this kid's actions. I just wish I could teach him how to be more aware of himself and how to get along, ya know? So that he doesn't show up on the radar of kids like that.

I don't think the kid would try to beat up ds, as ds is taller than him. I agree, I think he would back off if ds was able to, as you say, defuse the sitation.

I know what you mean about building a relationship. But I'm uninterested in inviting this kid into our life! The constant here is my ds. If this boy was a cousin or his parents were friends of ours, then it would be necessary to help them mend and build a relationship. But he's just this kid, not even in my son's same class.

Ds IS in taekwondo, and it's a great fit (a hundred times better than Little League). He is learning better how to control his body, but he's always going to be physically awkward.

This has really helped me figure some things out, thank you.
post #6 of 20
My oldest ds went through pretty severe bullying when he got his glasses at around age 7. He was very sensitive about them and had a very quick temper. We role played, role played, role played. I thought up every situation I could and we pretended to be the bullier, the bullied, and the bystander. My DH and I helped him to think out how to respond in every type of situation we could possibly think of. When there was just one or two boys that he was having a really hard time with, I brought in the school counselor and his teacher. They set up "friendship classes" for them and it worked wonders. We also tried karate/taekwondo classes for several years and I still can't figure out if they helped at all.
post #7 of 20
If the bullying is also happening during school hours then you may have some success if you contact the teacher, counselor, or principal about it.
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yes, I think I might mention it to ds's teacher. She might have some insight for me or might know what I should do next. She at least needs to know that there's thing between ds and the boy.

Martial arts classes: they aren't making ds any more graceful in the rest of his life. But it is something he's being rewarded for, which is great. I think it's just not necessary to be graceful to do well in taekwondo. At least not at this level. But in the mean time he gets gets awards and belts for this physical thing he's doing, and that's a great thing. He can think to himself, I'm good at this. Maybe he's awkward walking down the hall at school, but he can also break a board and complete several forms.

Beanma, I like Barbara Coloroso and I'll look into that book.
post #9 of 20
I have heard good things about, but not read, "The Bully, the Bullied, and the Bystander" by Barbara Coloroso. She's also written some other classic AP parenting books so I would expect this one to be really good, also.

I was going to suggest this exact book.
post #10 of 20
Ok wait a second. This has been going on for TWO years? At Little League, on the school property, and no one has addressed it? For two years?? Honestly at this point while I would certainly want to help my child better navigate these situations, for this specific instance I think it's past time for Mommy Bear to make an appearance. You need to step in at this point and make this stop. Contact the school and let them know what's going on, contact the child's parents and let them know that this will NOT be tolerated any longer and more acts of violence will result in a police report, and if it comes down to it, talk to the other child yourself. There's a difference between fielding the occasional comments and dealing full time with someone who's bent on making your life miserable.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by SunshineJ View Post
Ok wait a second. This has been going on for TWO years? At Little League, on the school property, and no one has addressed it? For two years?? Honestly at this point while I would certainly want to help my child better navigate these situations, for this specific instance I think it's past time for Mommy Bear to make an appearance.

I did not make it clear in my previous posts. This is the first I'm learning of this. This is the first time he's told me about it.


You need to step in at this point and make this stop. Contact the school and let them know what's going on, contact the child's parents and let them know that this will NOT be tolerated any longer and more acts of violence will result in a police report, and if it comes down to it, talk to the other child yourself. There's a difference between fielding the occasional comments and dealing full time with someone who's bent on making your life miserable.


Yes, indeed, there is a big difference. I'm in the process of discerning which of these scenarios my son is actually experiencing.

Edited: I object to the tone of the above response. No one is more concerned about the safety and well-being of my son than me. As I was the object of a lot of teasing and bullying when I was his age, I'm having a hard enough time keeping myself from flying off the handle and projecting my own fears and insecurities onto him.
post #12 of 20
Let me clarify me earlier post. While I do understand that this is the first you are hearing of it, I am very surprised that with having gone on in public areas for so long, that no one has noticed something. That's not a comment on if your son is being truthful, but rather dismay that adults overall seem to be so oblivious. And yet, I am aware this is surely not an isolated example of such.

Given that this has gone on so long and unnoticed, I think it would be appropriate for you to take an active roll in stopping it at this point, and then once this has blown past you may want to work with your son on how to handle future incidents.
post #13 of 20


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Yes, I think I might mention it to ds's teacher. She might have some insight for me or might know what I should do next. She at least needs to know that there's thing between ds and the boy.
I would definately talk to the teacher. I would first ask DS how he wanted you to handle it though--- you going in when no one will know, him going with you... I would also be ready to *emphasize* that it is not acceptable to only ask DS to change. If you identify DS as being easily bullied, they may try to put the onus on you to change DS. But even if he is easily targeted IT IS STILL THE FAULT OF THE BULLY. Sorry to yell there, lol.

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Originally Posted by SunshineJ View Post
With all due respect I think you may be reading more into my post than was there. While I do understand that this is the first you are hearing of it, I am very surprised that with having gone on in public areas for so long, that no one has noticed something. That's not a comment on if your son is being truthful, but rather dismay that adults overall seem to be so oblivious.
I think this is actually quite common. I can think of one person who bullied me for YEARS and no adult would have known without being told. If the bully in the OP sidles up with a lot of kids around a says quietly to the OP's DS, "you're such a loser, you should die," what would an adult standing 15 feet away see? Two kids whispering. Kids, especially boys, often push around their friends. It's not easy to overlook punching. It's harder to notice subtle pinching, stepping on the back of the shoe, "accidentally" stumbling into someone. But when it happens over, and over, and over the bullied definately knows what is going on.

Good luck Momma.
post #14 of 20
I recommend the Coloroso book too.

The thing is, we often treat bullying like it's conflict resolution time. But it's a more complex dynamic than that - and there's a role that's not been represented here, which is that of the bystander.

I wasn't at the school assembly but the principal may be outlining that bullies bully because they can - meaning the people around them allow them to as well.

There's this summary online.

Points for your son are:

4 most powerful antidotes to bullying
  • At least one good friend who is there for you through thick and thin
  • Being able to successfully get into a group
  • Strong sense of self
  • Being a friend
Bully tries to
  • Harass the child
  • Chip away at his sense of dignity and word
  • Isolate the victim so that he is unable to develop critical relationship skills with
  • his peers
  • Enlist peers to join in or at least not stop the bullying
Therefore parents need to
  • Strengthen child’s sense of self
  • Show him how to be a good friend
  • Teach him how to nurture strong healthy friendships
  • Teach him how to introduce himself into a group
5 personality factors that protect kids from being increasingly victimized
  • Friendliness
  • Willingness to share
  • Willingness to cooperate
  • Skill in joining the play of other children
  • Possessing a sense of humour
post #15 of 20
I'm so sorry you and DS are going through this. These situations are TOUGH.

I read a really great article on bullying not so long ago. Barbara Coloroso is great, but this is quicker.

http://wondertime.go.com/learning/ar...our-child.html

Good luck.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Belia, that's a great link, thanks.

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I would definately talk to the teacher. I would first ask DS how he wanted you to handle it though--- you going in when no one will know, him going with you... I would also be ready to *emphasize* that it is not acceptable to only ask DS to change. If you identify DS as being easily bullied, they may try to put the onus on you to change DS. But even if he is easily targeted IT IS STILL THE FAULT OF THE BULLY. Sorry to yell there, lol.
Yes, I asked ds if he wants me to talk to his teacher or not, and he said yes, please. I clearly remember the pain, the let-down I felt when my mom minimized the teasing I experienced at school.

I got more specific information from him, too. The foot-stomping episode in Little League was last year, not two years ago. Ds says there have been maybe 4 other instances: each time it's when ds showed up at school after hours and the boy was there, and he called out similar bullying, name-calling insults.

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The thing is, we often treat bullying like it's conflict resolution time.
Awesome post, thanks. And your comment about 'conflict resolution' and Tired's reminder that this is still the fault of the bully, got me thinking. This definitely isn't the time for conflict resolution. That implies that there are two equal parties with equal, legitimate complaints. This isn't a conflict, it's an attack, to whatever degree, with a perpetrator and a victim.

Isolating: this kid doesn't try this stuff in large groups of people, during school hours. It's always been outside school hours.
post #17 of 20
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Awesome post, thanks. And your comment about 'conflict resolution' and Tired's reminder that this is still the fault of the bully, got me thinking. This definitely isn't the time for conflict resolution. That implies that there are two equal parties with equal, legitimate complaints. This isn't a conflict, it's an attack, to whatever degree, with a perpetrator and a victim.
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post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
SunshineJ, I DO appreciate that you are communicating concern for my DS's welfare.
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Belia View Post
I'm so sorry you and DS are going through this. These situations are TOUGH.

I read a really great article on bullying not so long ago. Barbara Coloroso is great, but this is quicker.

http://wondertime.go.com/learning/ar...our-child.html

Good luck.
That is a really good link; thanks for sharing that!
post #20 of 20
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Yes, I asked ds if he wants me to talk to his teacher or not, and he said yes, please. I clearly remember the pain, the let-down I felt when my mom minimized the teasing I experienced at school.
Thats great. It's wonderful that your DS feels safe enough to come to you. That he realizes that the problem is with the other boy. I think that is one of the hardest part of being bullied--- so many victims end up believing it IS their fault. I know I never told my parents about certain bullies because I thought they would agree with the bully

Please keep us posted going forward. I've gotten some great information if I face this problem in the future.

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