Is this a BFE? Having HSG- Updated AGAIN, TY

[babygrey]

Hi ladies.
So, I'm having an HSG and uterine venogram. Those would stop a new pg. Obviously, I don't want that to happen.

I thought for sure I would have AF by now, so that's why I'm obsessing.

Doc says he "can't" do a beta before my HSG . I know the pg chances are slim on my chart (in part bc we were pondering skipping the HSG cycle so I didn't end up in exactly this situation ), but I've been testing daily bc I don't have AF and I DO have symptoms, which is weird for me- I've never had wishful-thinking pg symptoms before.
BFNs until today.
Today, I got this: http://www.canyouseealine.com/view_h...fm?testID=6503

The line came up within one minute. It is very faint. I realize that's a really bad pic, it was the best I could do... there IS a line there in person. The line is very, very faint. I can't tell if it is pink or not. WDYT?

Chart originally looked like maybe I O'd on CD9 (so, 15dpo today). I have no reason to not trust the temp spike on CD9. But then, after that, we were all sick (ear/eye/wound infections- un-related to my "symptoms") and I've been helping a friend out with his terminally ill wife in the middle of the night, so my temps are completely un-reliable past CD20 bc some of the nights, I haven't even slept... so my chart this month looks like, well, un-reliable crap .

I also have considered CD15 as O (so, 10dpo today) (the open circle is to remind me it was DST night- so, I actually do trust that spike as well), but then my temps become completely un-reliable after that, so I've nothing to confirm or deny.

It is here if you wanna have a look: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2c383d

Can anyone tell me how to work the magic where you take all the pink out?

Obviously, I'm going to test again tomorrow, but my HSG is scheduled for early a.m. and DH is taking off work and we've got to get kids to sitters, blahblah, bottom line- it would be WAY easier if I knew today.

Is there anywhere to get a blood beta done besides your doc?

Thoughts or words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated.

Sigh. Thanks for letting me ask, I'm kinda stressin.

[treehugginhippie]

Looks like a BFP to me. Could you get another test? In response to your question about having a beta done by someone other than your dr, yes you can. I've gotten mine done by healthcheckusa.com

[finnegansmom]

I can't tell by that pic. Way too blurry for me. Evaps don't show up in 1 minute, they show up later after the time limit. Sometimes you can see the indent from the antobody strip though, but it's more of am indent than a line. You need to get another test and retest. I would not have something performed on me that would end a pregnancy if I thought I was pregnant.
hold your bladder, no more liquids for 4 hours and go get another test and retest.

Good luck to you!

[karmab]

agree. retest.

btw- if your camera has a setting with a picture of like a flower- that's the macro setting and it lets you focus close up.

[MaerynPearl]

I agree, retest with a different brand of test if you cant get a beta done... its likely a bfp though!

However:
1. I suggest if you really want to know without a doubt... get SEVERAL early pregnancy tests (FRER, Answer, another dollar tree...) because if you get a negative you may wonder if its just the test and THAT will nag at you.

2. DO NOT USE BLUE DYE TESTS. they just suck... so make sure whatever tests you get are pink dye... because it would really suck to get one of those false positives on a blue dye, have this turn out not to be a bfp... and then not get your HSG this cycle and end up not pregnant either... putting you out yet another cycle.

for you and hope it IS a BFP!

[Stitches]

Do they mean to do the HSG this late during your current cycle? In my experience they are done early on in a cycle (just after bleeding stops) so it can't interfere with a pregnancy (and to avoid this situation exactly).

[tessie]

I would have said day 14/15 was a more likely ov day. I also 'think' I can see something but I'm not sure. Definitely get another test.

Do you have any walk-in clinics locally? Could they either do a beta or refer you to a lab that could? Will you dr not order one if you tell him you have a possible pregnancy? He should also have either scheduled it before ov or advised you not to ttc this cycle.

[karmab]

stitches is right, hsg's are usually scheduled right after af- in fact, it's not uncommon to get a bfp your hsg cycle. can you get it rescheduled for like 1 1/2 wks from now just in case, or is there a long wait?

[babygrey]

Thanks everyone for the eyes & thoughts... I don't know how to quote multiple ppl in the same reply, so

first- Finnegans- can you always see the indent line? I'm wondering if that's what I'm seeing. Cuz it did show up in the time frame, but the more I look, the less pink it looks... I've never seen an indent line, but I've also not used $tree before this cycle

For those that comment re: HSG timing. Agreed. It is bad timing. It is a scheduling issue with the doc. This is the 3rd time I've had it scheduled. He's had to cancel all of the other times (he's also a delivering OB). If I want to reschedule now, I'll have to wait another six week minimum and, even that won't guarantee I'll be at the beginning of a cycle. We were advised to not ttc this cycle... sort of. Doc originally said that we should abstain for 2wks before the test and he'd run a beta if I hadn't gotten AF at the test time. Sooo... that's what we did, but apparently he didn't look into what it would take to get me a beta in the radiology dept?!?

and, honestly, I was pretty convinced at the CD9 temp spike- I thought we were BD'ing post-O. Can I ask for anyone who wants to weigh in on O on CD9 vs CD15? Cuz, if I O'd on CD9, wouldn't it be pretty weird to get such faint results? vs. if I O'd on CD15 it would make total sense that I'm not getting a strong result or AF, am I thinking right?

I called my pg mw (the OB is for my endo, fertility issues- not for pg) She can run a beta, but there's no way she could get me results by tomorrow since she has to send out. As far as I can tell, there's no where else locally I can get a blood test. PP only does urine.
This sucks. I've spent my whole day obsessing over what may or may not be a line when my chart doesn't even look particularly ovulatory to me, and, even if it is, my chances are pretty slim, aren't they? gah.

Taking everyone's advice. Not drinking fluids. Holding until I can't anymore. Will restest and then take Maeryn's advice to buy a whole bunch of different kinds of tests. (except mean blue ones!)

thx treehugginhippie- that lab is good to know about; I didn't. Their price for an HCG is too spendy for what I can afford right now, but I'm gonna file that one away for further use

If I'm still getting questionable results tomorrow, I'll cancel the HSG.

Thanks again. Will KUP

thanks for the fx, I'm hoping this turns into a BFP and I don't even NEED the HSG. :fx

oh, and Karmab- thx for advice re: camera. I'm actually using my phone- that's why the bad pics. I don't really have a quick way to get my digi camera to the computer as DH and I disagree about whether its better to keep pics on the pc or the mac... but I digress...

[babygrey]

so I held it as long as I could (okay, actually, as long as I could go w/o drinking anything ) about 4 hours. All I had at home was one more $tree. No doubt BFN.

So, guess the saga continues... out to buy an armful of test tonight for tomorrow's FMU.

Guess I'll have to decide if I feel comfortable if tomorrow's are all BFN's having my HSG...

If anyone could weigh in on my O day, that might help- bc until I thought more about it, I really was convinced of a CD9 O... and, if I didn't have a BFP by 16dpo (tomorrow), I was going to feel fine about it. Then, I started thinking, maybe I O'd on CD15 and I'm only 11dpo... that, I don't feel comfy about.

Plus, my CBEFM matches better with a CD15 O than a CD9 O (no peak this month bc it is my first month using it- the help line said that was normal and meant I probably O'd somewhere around the beginning of the Highs)...

and, why in the world would I not have AF or a BFP if I O'd on CD9? My last LP was 9 days.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[karmab]

i would go with cd9, and to me, the chart doesnt say pregnant, buuuuut, that said,it is totally true that if you are not comfortable, and if it's going to cause you to agonize over going fwd, you've really got to feel that it was cd9 and you are not pg, you know?

just gonna throw this out there, may not be an option, but you know radiologists can do hsg's too? if you live in an area where they have an imaging center- a place that does mammos and mri's and ct scans and xrays etc, they can often do hsg's there, and you may have a lot better luck getting a quicker/convenient/well-timed appt.

[HulaJenn]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in to say that I don't really see a sustained thermal shift at all (why are cd4 and 5 discarded?), however I do see the line in the pic. And one can't happen without the other so I am no help here! LOL But good luck with retesting and the appt!

[mama2toomany]

Ugh what a pickle!

I do see a line.. didn't even have to squint..I am a surrogate mother so I have surro eyes.. didn't even need to use em!

But the other bfns would concern me.. I hope it all turns out well and I will check back for updates..

Good Luck!

[lilmom]

FWIW, I am not at all a squinter and I see a pink line. Based on that, I would not be comfortable myself doing the HSG *UNLESS* you have another FRER (at least one) come out negative in the morning, AND you also feel comfortable that you O'd on CD9 not CD 15. I am not super good at chart reading so I can't help much there. But I will say this. I am a believer in intuition. If your gut says don't, then don't. Just my 2 cents.

Keep us posted! And I am keeping fingers crossed it is a BFP like I think it is!

[babygrey]

Thanks for the input again. I'm wishing now we'd just abstained all month so I wouldn't be stuck in this pickle.

HulaJenn- I honestly don't see much of a sustained thermal shift, either. However, I really don't trust any of the temps past CD17ish, so I dunno.. maybe there was one and I missed it dt completely sub-optimal temping, kwim? What you said about the line not happening w/o O is exactly why I'm stressing. *sigh*

Plus, my temps run really low and 97s seem to be post-O temps for me. The temps on CD4-5 are discarded bc they were during AF and I temp vaginally and, well, that's why I discarded them- no other reason except that they were *ahem* bloody temps and I don't know how accurate that is. It doesn't change my crosshairs to put them back in- would it change your thoughts?

Regardless, it might be a moot point- I'm spotting now. Very light, but pink. I really did see that line earlier and having a 16day LP after a 9 day one is really bizarre. Maybe what I caught is a chemical pg?

Planning test-a-thon in the a.m. Armed with 2 FRERs, 2 $tree and and Answer. Need to put my mind at ease prior to my HSG, kwim? Thanks lilmom for the advice- I'm a big believer in intuition as well and my gut is saying pg- however, I do think that sometimes my personal intuition is messed up by worry (as in, I don't want to have bad results from my HSG- so perhaps I'm looking for a way out?)

If I hadn't seen that line today, I wouldn't be worrying, but (obviously) now I am.

Will KUP.

Still would love input from chart-stalkers, cuz if I O'd on CD15 I'm thinking I might want to reschedule... or at least go to the appt with the intention of not going thru with it if doc really won't do a beta.

and, karmab- I didn't know that about radiologists. Might make some phone calls in the a.m. The doc I'm seeing is the head of a pelvic disorder clinic here and he's kind of territorial (plus I trust him :P)

[katiecornflakes]

Definitely kup with your test-a-thon today.

Not sure why the doc won't do a beta? That seems pretty ridiculous to me. It's a quick draw and then everyone can be assured that you're not pg. Sounds like you've already pushed on that, though?

[babygrey]

updating you all cuz you've been so much help...
moved my appt to the afternoon (in an hour) so I would have some time to think and obsess over tests.
Here's what I've got with FMU
2 BFN FRERs
1 BNF Answer
1 BFN $tree
Buuut 1 $tree with the same really faint line as yesterday.
ugh.
I'm not spotting anymore. My temp this a.m. was low, and I actually got reasonable sleep last night. My CBEFM changed from High to Low.
Seems like I'm not pg, right?
Is it possible the line on the $tree is cuz they are cheap tests?? Don't have time for a pic, but it looks exactly like the pic I posted yesterday.
But, honestly, all the other tests are stark white.

The line on the $tree scares me.
I'm going to take it with me to the HSG and have the doc look at it.
I'm going to beg for a beta.
From there, ?

KUP after.

[babygrey]

Update again.

Went to my appt. Discussed my concerns w/ doc, showed him my ?tests. He was also unsure, but said it was most likely a false positive (do those HAPPEN?) or a chemical pg, given all my other neg tests.

He wasn't kidding about not being able to get my a beta in the radiology dept. (it is a big med center) and he didn't want to order one. I fought hard, but his rationale is that, if I had a chemical pg, it would just confuse us and put my HSG (and, thus, our ttc) off further and if I don't have a chemical, then things should be clearer tomorrow. He said he'll do a beta tomorrow if I have more weird tests.

So he rescheduled me for tomorrow morning. (it was a serendipitous opening in his schedule)

For line obsessing fun-
Here's the $tree offending test. The pic wasn't taken for a few hours, but the line looks the same as it did when I took it and came up really quickly.

http://www.canyouseealine.com/view_h...fm?testID=6529

http://www.canyouseealine.com/view_h...fm?testID=6532

Also, as an interesting aside- I know I can't put faith in it, because it is CLEARLY an evap- it was stark white when I left, but when I came back from my appointment to clean up my bathroom from test-a-thon , I had a super convincing evap on my Answer. About 7 hours post-test-taking. Just sharing for line-lookers. It doesn't mean anything, right??

http://www.canyouseealine.com/view_h...fm?testID=6531

aaaand... the saga continues...
wdyt- should I skip the $tree tests tomorrow? I'm conflicted, cuz I'm wondering if those are bum tests vs. are they the only ones giving me real answers, kwim?

[finnegansmom]

Hmmm.
This one looks like an evap to me. http://www.canyouseealine.com/view_h...fm?testID=6532

The other ones not sure. 7 hours is evap territory though, so if those were taken hours and hours after peeing, I wouldn't look at them. I haven't ovulated yet and could probably get a rather fetching line if I let it sit for that long.

Do you have a test to take that you can sit by and do it in 5 minutes and then take a pic? Or whatever timeline you need for it... 3 minutes, 1 minutes...

to you, sorry this is so frustrating.

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by babygrey

said it was most likely a false positive (do those HAPPEN?)

yes, which is why we were saying not to trust the dollar tree test without backing it up with other tests... and why I said not to take a blue dye test (they are giving a crazy high number of false positives)