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Raw Diet folks: WHAT do you feed your pet?

post #1 of 14
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Can I see a weekly or monthly menu of what you feed your dog or cat? I have been looking at the BARF World website and am a bit confused. Under the 'specifics' listed are all of these supplements, some of which I can't even afford to buy for myself (Cod liver oil, etc.) Do you give your dog or cat a ton of supplements?

I have a 6 year old lab/golden retriever mix and a 6 month old cat. The cat is currently eating Nature's Balance and the dog is currently eating Canidae. I've noticed since eating Canidae, the dog doesn't smell hardly at all anymore, but his breath is still atrocious. Also, since he's middle aged now, I'm starting to worry about his future/arthritis/etc, and I've heard the raw food diet is so good for that stuff.

Also, I'm concerned about my cat eating raw...she doesn't really groom herself (vet says she must have never learned from her mom) and I'm afraid she will get fish/meat residue on the furniture or something. Also afraid she or the dog will hide raw meat somewhere for later. Have you had these problems? What can you do to prevent this?
post #2 of 14
We do what's sometimes called "frankenprey" (because all the components of an animal the cat needs to eat are made up of different animals such as chickens, beef, turkeys, etc, rather than whole prey (such as small mice, chicks) that would be too gross for me. No supplements, he gets what he needs from the meat.

Here is what my 11 pound cat eats, over, say, a week.
He gets two meals a day, to satiation. I know about how much food he eats now, in the beginning, I experimented. If he still seems hungry, he gets more If he doesn't finish it (he can't finish a chicken leg or theigh in one meal) it goes back in the fridge in tupperware after 30 minutes, and goes back out for his next meal. Extra meat more than a day or two's worth is kept in the freezer (flash frozen on a baking sheet, then put in cleaned yogurt quarts)

-Chicken legs or theighs, turkey legs or thighs, beef stew meat or beef scraps (and other non pork meat as availible/affordable). chicken gizzards also
-A piece of liver (chicken, beef, whatever else we have/find. duck is usually reserved for the two footers, cause it's so tasty.) about the size of a dime to a quarter every 3ish meals (not exact. Might be two, might be 4)
-When he didn't eat meat off the bone, he got eggshells about the same frequency (cleaned, dried, crushed by hand and stored in the freezer). Now he gets them less frequently, because he seems to eat a little bone as he eats the meat off the bone (meat on bone is about 2/3 of his meals lately) hopefully I'll transition to really eating some bone (like wingtips, necks, ribs) soon.
-He was getting chicken heart, oh every other day, but he wasn't doing well with that (throwing up shortly afterwards only on meals with hearts) so while I track down another source of meat, he's occasionally been getting little bites of goat heart (but the goat heart is for me! I pay way too much for my pastured goat hearts for him to get a lot) and relying on the fact that dark meat is richer in taurine. If this ends up a long term problem, not one fixed by finding another source of chicken hearts, then I will track down other sources of non chicken hearts that are cheaper or supplement taurine. this counted as part of his "meat"
-I'm still looking for sources of kidneys, sweetbreads, etc. I admit, I haven't been looking too hard, I figure he can do without for a little while, and I don't have the energy atm, work is particularly stressful and tiring this month

Basically, I roughly keep in mind 80% meat (including gizzards and hearts) 10% bone and 10% organ (not all liver.) I'd say he gets less liver and less organ than that right now. He seems just fine.

(also helpful is knowing that bone helps firm up poops, and organ loosens it. If the cat has diarreah, try feeding more bone/eggshells and less organ. if he's constipated/his poops are VERY firm, try feeding more organ and less bone/eggshells. (though I'm also very sensitive to the fact that in a small animal, something like that could be the only sign you get of a very sick animal, and if he has diarreah or seems slightly constipated (not extremely), I really would only give it one meal to see if it's the balence. I've found that adding a normall meal's worth of egg shells (a small pinch) to his next meal has firmed it up, and a normal amount of organ in his next meal loosens things up. I do pay attention to if he's otherwise looking good (play, energy, snuggles etc).)

check out the rawfeeding and rawcat yahoo groups, they are so helpful!

(in terms of the constipated cat, it is normal for raw fed cats to only poop every couple days, so he's not nessicarily constipated if he doesn't poop every day. It freaked me out at first.)

re: dragging food all over. Until my cat got to whole legs/thieghs of chicken, he was great about eating on a plate (except the first three meals, where I sat with him, and put the meat back on his plate every time he took it off. which was about 15 times in his first meal.) At first with the whole theighs, he dragged it out of the bathroom (where he eats), into the main room to eat. I would pick up his food, put it back on his plate and shut him in the bathroom til he finished (this is why he eats in the bathroom, the kitchen doesn't have a door), then clean up the carpet. Now, he does tend to drag the meat off the plate, and onto the bathrug next to it, and I pick it back up when I see it and don't worry too much. I know some people feed on towels (I think the plates are too slippery with such big peices), but I don't have extras.
post #3 of 14
My 40 lb border collie/australian kelpie mix gets one chicken thigh or 2 drumsticks.

My 14 year old 15 lb Dachshund/Beagle gets one drumstick

And the pup, 1 year old 12 lb dachshund/minpin gets a drumstick+. Sometimes 2 drumsticks, sometimes one and something extra (people food, oatmeal, veggies, etc).

Or appropriately sized cuts of whatever other kind of meat I want to give them.

They all get some organs about once a week.

No luck yet convincing the cat that raw meat is yummy.
post #4 of 14
Our 50lb boxer mix gets a chicken leg quater for the bulk of his meal. We also give him beef heart, ground beef, liver, gizzards, pork neckbones/ribs/shank, turkey legs/neck and eggs(in the shell). I just go by what's onsale during the week.
A day for him might be a leg quarter and a couple chunks of beef heart or ground beef with a few neckbones. I give him a piece of liver and salmon oil 2-3 times a week.
I don't do veggies unless its scraps from chopping carrots and cucumbers(he loves these)
post #5 of 14
Well I don't have a cat, just dogs, but this may be helpful anyway. Like the previous posters I don't use the BARF method (which typically includes a fair amount of ground meat, veggies, and many supplements). I find it to be complicated and over-engineered. Frankly I think this type of diet is starting from kibble and trying to replicate all the components instead of starting from how dogs should eat (hence all the supplements you end up with).

We do a franken-prey type of diet also. They get about 2-3% of their body weight *on average* per day (some days are more, others less). The numbers that Magelet gave are a good starting point if you're a numbers person. If not, just think of it as "lots" of meat with "some" bone (should be significantly less than the meat) and a "little" organ. The other thing that is important is to feed a varity of meats because each has a different nutritional profile. I'd say a minimum of 3-4 types of meats on a regular basis is what you should aim for. Now for dogs with allergies of course this will be more limited, but you didn't mention anything about that.

We feed beef, pork, chicken, turkey, and fish on a regular basis. Other stuff will get tossed in as it comes on sale or I find a good deal somewhere. We've done lamb and duck, but they tend to be expensive so this isn't a staple for us. As far as supplements, I use fish oil capsules and for my 11 yr old greyhound I do joint supplements also. I get both from Costco at the pharmacy, they have pretty good prices, but any pharmacy will have these as they're pretty basic supplements.

Some items I might feed (keep in mind my dogs are 35 and 75 lbs so sizes may vary a bit for you):
- chicken leg quarters
- whole cut up chicken (get these cheap at the asian store)
- turkey drumsticks
- whole cut up turkey (on sale after the holidays)
- pork ribs or riblets
- pork neck bones
- pork hearts
- pork picnic shoulder
- pork hocks
- beef heart
- ground beef (not often, only when really cheap)
- lamb shoulder roast

One thing to keep in mind is that with raw bigger is better. So I aim to have each dog's meal in one (or at most two) pieces. This is much better for tooth cleaning and jaw exercise. For example when I cut up a chicken I usually just cut it to make a smaller piece and a bigger piece and then hand them to the dogs. I don't cut it into little bits like wings, drumsticks, etc. My two are fed in their crates, but you can train your dog to eat on a towel/mat in the kitchen or bathroom, outside, on a blanket on their bed, on a easily washable flooring surface.

Ok, I think that was info overload - sorry! Any other questions?
post #6 of 14
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So you guys don't get the fancy meat for your dogs? We eat free range, organic, etc...but doubt we can afford to feed the animals that way as well. Though we are considering buying some meat in bulk, so that may help.
post #7 of 14
nope. If I had to feed the cat the quality meat we eat, we couldn't afford a cat. Our 11 pound cat eats 4 times as much meat as my partner and I combined!!! Because we only eat pastured meat, and it is so expensive, we don't eat a lot of meat, and really stretch it. Our cat eats vegetarian feed/hormone free chicken (because I don't want the other stuff on my cuttingboards and in my kitchen getting me sick) and meat trim (.89 cents a pound, definitely feed lot, almost certainly not organic, though it could be some of each), and whatever other meat is cheap.

I admit, I do feel bad supporting the commercial meat industry, and I realize that without it, I could not afford to keep a carniverous pet, but he brings so much joy into my life that I try not to think about it too much.
post #8 of 14
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I admit, I do feel bad supporting the commercial meat industry, and I realize that without it, I could not afford to keep a carniverous pet, but he brings so much joy into my life that I try not to think about it too much.
This.

I am either going to support it through the pet food industry or at the grocery store, so might as well get a healthy dog out of the deal. My dog eats 30-40lbs of meat a month, there is no way I could afford to buy that in pastured/organic. We save that for the people in the house.
It sucks, but I can't dwell on it.
post #9 of 14
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How do I know how much to feed them? My cat is very small...maybe 8 lbs? My dog is around 65-70 lbs.
post #10 of 14
To start, 2-3 % body weight a day for adult animals. It might be more, it might be less. So for the cat, about 2.5-3.5 oz a day. For the dog, 20-33 oz a day (which would be 1.25-2 lbs aprox.) I don't have a scale what I did was picture in my head about how much a1/4 lb hamburger (4oz) was raw, and feed a little less than half of that at each meal, by visual approximation. If you have another method, maybe ask to buy 3 oz (a little less than a quarter pound) of meat from the butcher, so you can get a visual.

If your animals still seem hungry, feed more. If they are not eating it all, or they get fat, feed less.
post #11 of 14
I just go by how much meat I buy and break up. If I buy a 10lb bag of chicken leg quarters, I keep count of how many are in the pack and figure the weight out by that. After a while, you get used to it and can eyeball everything. Looking at the animal is the best gauge. Sometimes I feed one big meal and then 2 days of small meals. Like the pp said just aim for 2-3% of their body weight a day. More for puppies and kittens going through growth spurts.
post #12 of 14
So raw bones are ok, right?

I have about a 10lb cat, a 10lb dog, 15-20lb dog and a 30-40lb dog. so 2-3% approx of body weight per day?

Are ground meats ok - like turkey and beef? Those I can gete pretty cheap, along with whole chicken that I can cut up.

do you feed vegetables at all? Cheese/dairy? Or just meat?

Where might I find organs at a good price, and when discussing a "little" bit of organ, really how much is that? What about giblets from a chicken, is that considered an organ? What about hearts/organs from wild game that has been hunted?

Can I freeze the meat to store it, or must it always be fresh?

I am about to embark down this path - how should I transition from kibble to raw foods?
post #13 of 14
I don't feed any veggies or dairy, except what they might get as treats, but it's not a measured part of their diet. While whole meats are better for tooth cleaning and stuff, ground is ok, though I try to limit it. A whole chicken is awesome, and you can cut it to sizes that are right for each pet. You can absolutely freeze the meat, in fact having some freezer space is great because you can stock up on stuff when it goes on sale and such.

No, it's not just meat - bones and organs are a crucial part of the diet. You want to do about 70-80% meat and about 10-15% bone. The "little" bit of organ is about 10% also (with half of that being liver). For organs, we mean the "squishy" ones - so liver, kidney, spleen. Chicken gizzards and heart for example would fall into the "meat" category for feeding purposes, although they do function as an organ. I think giblets have a mix of stuff if I recall correctly. For wild meat, there's some guidelines about freezing it for a bit, though I personally don't have access to any so I don't know the specifics.

Stick with chicken for a week or so when you start, then introduce another meat (say turkey), then another (say pork or beef). I'd wait for a couple of weeks before you toss in organ meat too and start slow with that. Any new addition may give runny poops for a bit till they adjust to it, particularly if it's a richer meat or organs (which are very rich). This is also helpful in figuring out if your pet is allergic/intolerant to anything along the way. Hope that helps!
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by StormySar View Post
So raw bones are ok, right?

I have about a 10lb cat, a 10lb dog, 15-20lb dog and a 30-40lb dog. so 2-3% approx of body weight per day?
as a starting point yes

Are ground meats ok - like turkey and beef? Those I can gete pretty cheap, along with whole chicken that I can cut up.
not so great. They're ok, and if your animals are olde, it is possible you might have to feed ground meat, however chunks of meat (I know, they are way more expensive ) are much better. They exercise your animals jaws, and have a tooth cleaning effect, which helps their teeth. (animals who have eaten kibble for a long time sometimes have bad teeth and sometimes can and sometimes can't manage whole chunks of meat.) You will have to start with small peices and slowly increase them, as your animals learn to chew and increase their muscle strength.

do you feed vegetables at all? Cheese/dairy? Or just meat?
As food, just meat. I mean, sure the cat tried my DP's matza and it was so cute we let him munch on it, and if I had a dog who loved bananas and cheese as much as my parent's newfie, I'd definitely use it as training treats. As part of their food though, just meat, and the rare fish. (no unfrozen salmon for dogs)

Where might I find organs at a good price, and when discussing a "little" bit of organ, really how much is that? What about giblets from a chicken, is that considered an organ? What about hearts/organs from wild game that has been hunted?
The cat gets a chunk of liver or organ oh... between the size of a dime and the size of a ping-pong ball, every few meals. Hearts he gets as meat (not organ.) quite frequently. giblets include usually neck (bone) heart (meat, but essential for a cat), gizzards (meat), and liver (organ). Hearts and organs from game would be great if you can find them.

Can I freeze the meat to store it, or must it always be fresh?
by all means freeze it.

I am about to embark down this path - how should I transition from kibble to raw foods?
What I did was just pop down some small peices (about the size of a dime) in front of the cat and see if he ate them. He did, and has been exclusively raw fed ever since. (since he couldn't eat bones at first, he got a little powdered eggshell in it's place) We did start with chicken, because it was cheapest. Then we added beef a few weeks later. Organs he got early on. Slowly, I've increased the size of his food until he now eats the meat off a chicken leg or thigh. Other people have to cajole their animals to eat raw.
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