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post #1 of 19
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Ok, dd2 has gained almost no weight or length in 3.5 months. I have been treated 3 times for thrush, things are better now. I also eliminated alot of "bad sugar" causing foods for 2 months while being treated. (Although I recently read that if you have breast thrush, changing food won't help because there is still sugar in your breastmilk, which is whatfeeds the thrush. Anyone know if this is true?)

Anyway, the first doc (a homeopath) told me she wasn't gaining weight because she too had thrush (had white in her mouth). This was my original suspicion too. This was in the beginning of January. Her thrush seemed to get better mine did not. I went to new homeopath, different more effective treatment and diet changes. Still no weight gain. So early this month I go to a pediatrician. I tell her I suspect a food allergy because she isn't gaining and every day for the past 3-4 months her poops are green and often mucusy. I occasionally get a normal looking poops but not often. And it smells bad. She asks me about solids. We hadn't really started yet. So she tells me to start the solids and she wants her on solids 4 times a day in a month. And she also tells me that its fine to give her cow's milk. Dd2 is 6 months old! Needless to say I will not be returning there. We did test her poop for bacteria but they didn't find anything.

But now I still have a sweet little babe who isn't growing. She is developmentally doing normal stuff (rolls, babbles, grabs, almost sitting up) but she hasn't quite doubled her birth weight and hasn't gained length. I did start her on some solids (avocado, sweet potato, rice cereal, bananas, pears) and things are going okay. She may have gained 200 grams or so, but then has been sick or something the past 3 days and hasn't eaten more than 3 meals of solids.

Other things going on:
She is also teething and has been for the past 3 months as well.
Her urine has a strong odor but is not dark also for 3-4 months.
Purple around the eyes for months.
Sometimes an odd smelling breast.
I did also have oald and o/s inteh beginning but block fed and that resolved itself.

I am just at a loss as where to go. Can a doc do anything for me? I know that allergy tests aren't accurate in kids her age so I don't see the point in putting her through that. Today is day one of elimination diet. I am doing the Dr. Sears diet but I added a few things that I know she hasn't reacted too. basically my list of okay foods for the next two weeks is:

Turkey
Lamb
Sweet potato/Potato
Zucchini
Pear
Spinach
Avocado
Salad
Apple
Rice
Rice milk
Salt, pepper, olive oil, honey, garlic, parsely

Is coffee okay? I drink decaf every day. What about lentils? an occasional glass of wine?

Anyway, thanks for reading this if you got this far and also if you have any advice. I am on the verge of just breaking down because I am afraid for my little babe.
post #2 of 19
If you're going to have occasional wine, you may as well add grapes to your list. I'd take out the coffee, if it were me. But if it were me, I'd take out the most likely culprits first: dairy, gluten, soy, and corn. Give that a couple weeks to get out of your system, and see where you are. Since weight will take longer to put on, you're going to look at stool changes (since you said those were off) and the bruising under her eyes. How is her sleep? Will that be a good indicator? Also, during this time (either diet you choose, Dr. Sears or top-4 elimination) keep a food journal of everything you (and she) eats/drinks, supplements, etc. Food can take up to 4 days to elicit a reaction so you're looking for patterns. A naturopath might be able to help you or an osteopath. Probiotics would be good as well (allergen-free). A more comprehensive stool test might also tell you more.
post #3 of 19
What is your dd's weight and length? What was it at her previous weigh ins?

It's more common in the second 6 months, but many babies taper off in weight/length. Or they will have a period of no growth then a sudden growth spurt. More important indicators is overall development, activity level, interactions, etc.

The green stools could be foremilk/hindmilk imbalance.

I'd start with the most common dairy, soy, corn, wheat, eggs. Also don't add any new foods to her diet because you won't know which she's reacting to (her diet or yours).
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses. Good point about the grapes. will exclude that too. I am going to keep a food journal. I have to find her health book to see her 3 month, 4 month and 6 month stats. But since early dec. she has been the same. Thats why I am worried. I would be fine with slow growth or gain but none in both areas worries me.

Her sleep has recently improved after I added solids. But she still wakes up an average of 4-5 times a night. I don't think I have ever had a night with less than 3 wake ups. I have had more than 10. Napping is sporadic lately.

I do take a probiotic that was given to me by the homeopath for the thrush. I continue to take it. That is the only supplement I use. I drink herbal teas now and then, rrl, camomile, fennel. I dropped coffee when she was first born and drank tea or chai. But then I think the soy (in the chai) bothered her so I tried coffee again and she seemed fine with it. I know decaf still contains a small amount of caffeine so I will consider that too.

I still do 2 hour block feeds. I really felt that was resolved as the poops went normal for a short time (around 2 months) and the current green ones aren't frothy. But I will keep an eye on it.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by Bellabaz View Post
....her poops are green and often mucusy. I occasionally get a normal looking poops but not often. And it smells bad. ....And she also tells me that its fine to give her cow's milk.
My DD had green, mucousy, wierd-smelling poop which disappeared when I eliminated dairy. Oddly, my ped had never heard of dairy causing that, but it was definitely the case with my DD. It might help --

If you do go dairy-free, be sure to learn about the hidden sources of dairy in food. It can be pretty sneaky, and I could always tell if some had snuck into my diet by her reaction.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
This is exactly why I won't be going back there. I told the doc I suspect an allergy and milk is he number one allergen in kids. And what does she tell me to do?

Thanks for the warning. I thought that dairy in things like cakes was not harmful because it is cooked? At least thats what I know someone told me who does have a problem with milk. But i will watch for it when adding things back in.
post #7 of 19
Some people with IgE allergies can eat things if they're cooked because it changes the protein. Not all, and it's something you would have to check. If it's an intolerance, it doesn't matter whether it's cooked or not (at least I haven't heard of any).

Check the probiotic to make sure it's free of allergens. Sleep is a definite thing then to keep track of in your food diary. Write down how many times she wakes up.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
Forgive my ignorance, but why are oats low allergen and wheat is high? I guess I don't really understand the difference? It would be nice to be able to a grain other than rice because I am really hungry. =)
post #9 of 19
I don't know that oats are a low allergen -- is that on the Joneja allergy chart? Unless they're specifically gluten-free, they're cross-contaminated with wheat, which is a top 8 allergen (and it's also a top 4 food intolerance). If you're looking for other grains, there's quinoa, millet, buckwheat (not related to wheat at all, it's actually an herb), sorghum, etc. You don't need grains to feel full. You most likely need more fat. What are you eating? Do you need ideas?
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
Oats are low on Dr. Sears and medium on the Joneja Scale. I was eating buckwheat but it was on the high list for Dr. Sears so I took it out. If it is actually low I would happily put it back in. Again I am only on day 2, but I am eating the following:
Lamb
Turkey
salad (including mache-which I don't really know if thats the word in English for it)
avovado
zucchini
rice
rice milk
tomatoes
sweet potato
pears
apples
olive oil
salt
pepper
garlic powder

I was thinking of adding spinach and lentils and maybe rabbit. I did have (canned) tuna at dinner tonight. Fish is something I like but hardly eat because dp practically vomits if he smells it. Nut butters (almond and peanut) we big for me but I cut them out too. At dinner I slipped and had two bites of my dd1's cheese before I realized what I was doing. Oops.

Also I see apples are fairly high on the Joneja scle so maybe I should cut those too. Breakfast is hard because I don't really know what to eat.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
kjbrown-checkingout you blog too. amazing what you have been able to do with so many food sensitivities in your house!
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Ok yeah, I need fat ideas. The only I have come up wth is avocado and I can't eat 5 a day, so..
post #13 of 19
Can you do coconut? Coconut milk and coconut oil are good fats. When I roast a chicken, I use the drippings for gravy (fat) and make sure to eat the crispy chicken skin (more fat). I do nuts for fat. And we fry (like the chickpea/zucchini fritters and sweet potato fries). We do fattier cuts of meat too. Bacon, sausage.

Are you keeping a food journal during this time?

Not sure what mache is.... can you describe it?
post #14 of 19
Try canned skinless, headless sardines packed in olive oil instead of tuna which has mercury concerns.


Pat
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the ideas. I will try some coconut milk. I use olive oil a lot but not relly other oils. I love nuts but I am still avoiding them because almond butter is something I eat 3 or 4 times a week. Plus at the end of my pregnancy and the first weeks after dd2's birth I ate nuts and dried fruit mix quite frequently. So I want to be sure it isn't an allergen for her.

Mache is a kind of salad. It is delicate, dark green (almost spinach color), small leaves and the leaves are usually in little bunches. Its really good. I can't find the English word for it if its different. This is the latin from Wiki:Valerianella locusta

I am keeping a food journal for me and dd2.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to throw this in there too. First I have been doing much better since adding more fat. I found a margarine that is 100% dairy free and made only of organic veg ingredients. It does have soy lecithin but that seems ok. Plus I ate some bacon the past couple of days and that helped a lot. Dd2 has been a really happy kids and the purple around her eyes is just about gone. Her congestion was somewhat lessened (it was never really bad though).

I added wheat back in two days ago (some whole wheat pasta once and some crackers). Then...

my dd1 had a stomach virus for the past 5 days. Yesterday dd2 (the one with the suspected allergy) got a small fever, congestion (as does her sister), vomited yellow stuff and had a little bit of mucus in her poop. So now I was like great, just when she finally put on some weight she is gonna get a stomach virus. Or its the wheat? This is my thought pattern.

So today, the fever is gone. Dd2 is refusing solids since last night but still taking the breast, no problem. Her poops though-they are almost "normal". I mean they are seedy, yellow, mustardy smelling. They are a bit watery though.

But now I am confused. Is it the allergens from the suspect dairy leaving our systems? Did a stomach virus make her poop normal? Is she reacting to gluten? Or am I just a paranoid freak who need to stop spending 10 minutes inspecting poopy diapers?

It kinda makes me laugh. =)
post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 
But either way thanks again for all the helpful suggestions ladies!
post #18 of 19
Just wanted to chime in regarding the cocounut oil. I'd been using it as a healthy source of fat until I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism. Coconut oil boosts metabolism so I cannot have it.
However, coconut oil is sometimes considered a natural "cure" for hypothyroidism.

Re: fats, I use different oils (olive, safflower, sesame, etc) as well as eat avocados to take in more fats. I make my own salad dressing to control any hidden ingredients. I use different oils for this. I also add a sliced avocado to every salad I eat. Sometimes I chop up a piece of precooked bacon (I keep this in the frige and one lb usually lasts me a full week even when dh snags a piece for a snack), I also tend to add some kind of a nut and shelled hemp seeds (for protein).

hth

eta: mustard seedy yellowish dipes in ebf babe is what I call normal poop. That's been my experience anyway.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
Yeah I call seedy, yellow, mustard poop normal too. It was just watery. And it has sinced dawned on my tired brain that that is awesome because she was only on bm for 24 hours, not solids and that means her poops are no longer green!!! Whoo hoo!

And I think the fever and watery poop, etc. has do to with her teething more than a virus cause she has been acting very happy except for an hour last night when she was screaming in pain and I gave her some homeopathic theething med and she calmed downand went to sleep.

So this is very good news for us. It means that dairy was the culprit and i am still avoiding soy as well. I will add nuts in next week. But hopefully its just dairy, cuz I can deal with that.
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