OK, I wasn't going to log on this weekend...
'cause I can get stuff done here so much more eficiently if I post during breaks at work due to its totally fat pipe. And on top of it, I just wrote a really cogent reply and it got lost....I can't stand how quickly this site times you out sometimes.
But, I like the way this conversation is going (one where breasts are mentioned can't be all bad...

) and wanted to hop back in a bit.

simonee: your comments about ways the american character is regarded is interesting. It seems like those are also attributes assigned to any "primitive", no matter where. I have another really interesting book called Internal Colonialism about the wars within the UK in the 17th - early 19th c. against the welsh, scots, and irish. They didn't have to fight the Cornish as they were already absorbed, and the Manx were providing the navy with some of their best sailors -- like Fletcher Cristian. (Can't quote from it as I loaned it to someone who still has it...a guy I work with who is from Glasgow and with whom I have lots of interesting conversations.) The words used to describe the scots were very similar. They were frequently compared to the Indians in the New World -- savages, innocent, childlike, etc., etc.
Of course, as all these people became absorbed into the "mainstream", they were not seen as so different anymore. There were few physical clues to remind anyone of their "primitive" origins. There seems to be a social class level identification of "white", sometimes. I think that is how Eminem can claim to be part of the hiphocracy and get some respect. (Vanilla Ice didn't.)
On the other hand, a black rapper just wears his/her class identification and doesn't need to provide nearly as much "proof" of belonging. I know few people who are aware that Tupac is the son of an intellecual (although she certainly has no post at a university): Afeni Shakur, poet and Black Panther. A white person with those "creds" would still (although they are revolutionary credentials) be open to attack as a fake.