Did anyone here have symptoms within days of conception (before implantation)? - Page 2

[AmyKT]

For those of you who felt you knew immediately, how many of you are super, duper, schmooper fertile with an equally fertile mate? Is my DH and I were that fertile and I realized I'd just had unprotected sex at the ideal time of the month, I might feel that certainty, too. As it is, I've been through many, many, many heartbreakingly perfect on paper but BFN cycles, so I suppose I lost my faith in "knowing."

I hope I don't sound snarky. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the uneven phenomenon, and I think fertility may have something to do with it.

[MaerynPearl]

We tried for 7 cycles over 2 years (yay military!)

Like I said before though, I had symptoms as of when implantation showed on my chart... but they were symptoms you would spot in retrospect.

At the time I had perfect explanations for them... I felt sick because it was just after Christmas and I was probably overeating (I wasn't. Just an excuse)

I figured my bloody noses were from dry air (hey, still possible it was that an not pregnancy lol)

I tried convincing myself I wasn't pregnant, though we had perfect timing, until I started getting BFPs... so my as-of-implantation symptoms were things seen in retrospect. Def. not before then though.

[mrsfru]

I wouldn't dispute a spiritual sense of believing your are GOING TO BE PREGNANT. But immediately after ejaculation you are not pregnant, spiritually or biologically.

Sorry, friend, but I disagree. You are pregnant *spiritually* as soon as the whole event takes place, and the sperm and egg are combining, dividing, and moving down the tubes. That is part of my spiritual belief system.

mrsfru

[mrsfru]

Originally Posted by AmyKT

For those of you who felt you knew immediately, how many of you are super, duper, schmooper fertile with an equally fertile mate? Is my DH and I were that fertile and I realized I'd just had unprotected sex at the ideal time of the month, I might feel that certainty, too. As it is, I've been through many, many, many heartbreakingly perfect on paper but BFN cycles, so I suppose I lost my faith in "knowing."

I hope I don't sound snarky. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the uneven phenomenon, and I think fertility may have something to do with it.

It doesn't for me--we aren't *that* fertile. I lost 6 pregnancies before my first son stuck! I have severe endometriosis and a blood clotting disorder. DS1's pregnancy wasn't even the first one after my first surgery for endo--I had surgery in August of 2002 and ds2 was born in Aug. 2005

I charted my cycles using Tony Weshler's Taking Charge of Your Fertility for years, so that helped us figure out when to DTD....but I still lost numerous pregnancies after starting that.

*Knowing* in your heart really is a spiritual thing. I remember knowing w/the ones I lost, but it was different than what I've felt w/the last 3 pregnancies.

hths

Best wishes!!!

mrsfru

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by mrsfru

Sorry, friend, but I disagree. You are pregnant *spiritually* as soon as the whole event takes place, and the sperm and egg are combining, dividing, and moving down the tubes. That is part of my spiritual belief system.

mrsfru

I'm sorry to explain this to you, but immediately after ejaculation its very unlikely that the sperms anywhere near the egg. Ovulation could happen up to 5 days after ejaculation and still have conception occur. Conception is not the moment you DTD, its the moment the sperm meets the egg which is rarely even the same night as the DTD. And when it is the same night, it still takes quite a while for the sperm to get up the tubes and find the egg.

So women who know as soon as ejaculation is over that they are pregnant, are merely hoping they are.

[Smokering]

My mother claimed she knew the next morning that she was pregnant with my youngest sister. I was surprised to hear her say that, because she's very - well, for lack of a better term, "un-woo-woo". Ex-midwife, so not ignorant about the mechanics of conception. But there you go. It was her sixth pregnancy, if that makes any difference...

Given the anecdotal evidence, I'd say there might be biological factors associated with conception that we aren't yet aware of, rather than dismissing all the experiences out of hand. How fast can sperm swim? Does it really take a minimum of 12 hours for them to travel up to the egg, even with lots of fertile-quality cervical fluid?

[MaerynPearl]

I dont know if its 12 hours but I sure do know its not instantly even if you already ovulated.

[SunChild]

Originally Posted by mrsfru

Sorry, friend, but I disagree. You are pregnant *spiritually* as soon as the whole event takes place, and the sperm and egg are combining, dividing, and moving down the tubes. That is part of my spiritual belief system.

mrsfru

Yes that is partially correct (IME). My own mother knew that I was "pregnant" days before it happened. She mentioned it to her partner and he felt it (they are both quite advanced souls), and they mentioned it to my grandparents, and when it was time to tell everyone they said "we know"....

But... it all comes down to personal experience.....like...for instance...

having communication with the soul before hand, which both partner and I have had for quite some time. We also knew what our daughter would be like before I had her, got her name that way ect...
Seeing the sperm and the egg is primarily having a narrow materialistic view, without understanding the other forces at work.
Energetically- there's a lot taking place.

[Smokering]

I dont know if its 12 hours but I sure do know its not instantly even if you already ovulated.

OK, so why do they recommend TTCing women to elevate their hips for fifteen minutes after sex? If it takes sperm several hours to get to the egg it doesn't seem like that would give them much of a head start. Wouldn't the woman have to lie on her back for, like, ten hours? Or am I totally missing the point of that particular exercise?

[Wow&Flutter]

When I woke up the morning after BDing, the first thought I had was, "We did it!" and I was filled with joy. It turns out I was right! How did I know? No idea. Did I really know? Felt like I did. I've had some pretty crazy instances of being right about my intuitions, so I can't deny there's something to it. I'm not what you would call a spiritual person either, so I think there's a very reasonable explanation for it... scientists just haven't figured out what it is yet! Oh, and we're not super fertile either-- we'd actually been trying for a couple of years!

Also, At 3DPO I had really bad nausea. I thought it might be food poisoning, but it went away after about 30 minutes. I've never heard of anyone getting nausea this early after conceiving, so not sure if it was pregnancy related or not. I had eaten a pretzel with cheese earlier, so it very well could have been food poisoning.

[Wow&Flutter]

Originally Posted by Smokering

OK, so why do they recommend TTCing women to elevate their hips for fifteen minutes after sex? If it takes sperm several hours to get to the egg it doesn't seem like that would give them much of a head start. Wouldn't the woman have to lie on her back for, like, ten hours? Or am I totally missing the point of that particular exercise?

Propping your hips up ensures that none of the semen will leak out and more will get inside. It also creates a pool of semen right above your cervix. Semen contains prostaglandins which will soften the cervix so the sperm can make their way in, and it makes sense to think the more sperm you have touching your cervix, the more prostaglandins, and the softer and easier to pass though it will be. And of course with your hips tilted, gravity will help speed up the whole process. I don't think any of this is really proven to increase your odds of conceiving, but it does make sense to me. The sperm themselves actually swim quite slow, relative to the distance they have to travel. "Estimates of sperm's average speed have been as little as 1 to 4 millimeters per minute to as fast as 8 inches per hour." - http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5426816...rm-travel.html So conception is definitely not instantaneous or even close to it. Sperm can also live in the fallopian tubes four around 3-5 days.

[MammaB21]

Originally Posted by SunChild

having communication with the soul before hand, which both partner and I have had for quite some time. We also knew what our daughter would be like before I had her, got her name that way ect...
Seeing the sperm and the egg is primarily having a narrow materialistic view, without understanding the other forces at work.
Energetically- there's a lot taking place.

I certainly wasn't knocking anyones belief system, or implying that what you're talking about above isn't possible. I hope nobody took it that way. I was simply responding to the question that was originally asked, and that was in reference to pregnancy symptoms. To me, the word symptoms is very clearly speaking of the physical side effects that the biological aspect of pregnancy inflicts on our bodies. If you're belief system is highly spiritual and you just know that you're pregnant (or will soon become pregnant), that is different then having nausea due to the increased HCG in your system. I don't think it's possible to have actual physical symptoms before implantation. The spiritual side of this is a completely different discussion.

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by Wow&Flutter

Propping your hips up ensures that none of the semen will leak out and more will get inside. It also creates a pool of semen right above your cervix. Semen contains prostaglandins which will soften the cervix so the sperm can make their way in, and it makes sense to think the more sperm you have touching your cervix, the more prostaglandins, and the softer and easier to pass though it will be. And of course with your hips tilted, gravity will help speed up the whole process. I don't think any of this is really proven to increase your odds of conceiving, but it does make sense to me. The sperm themselves actually swim quite slow, relative to the distance they have to travel. "Estimates of sperm's average speed have been as little as 1 to 4 millimeters per minute to as fast as 8 inches per hour." - http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5426816...rm-travel.html So conception is definitely not instantaneous or even close to it. Sperm can also live in the fallopian tubes four around 3-5 days.

to sum it up, you raise your hips to help more spermies get through the cervix, not to help the ones that get through to get to the egg. Gravity has no effect on them once they are in there, it just ensures a few more get in.
and the 15-20 minute rule is because after that long almost all of the sperm that haven't gotten through have been killed off by the vaginal environment.

[Shannie77]

With DD #1, at 4DPO I felt so tired I had a 4 hour nap in the middle of the day. Until I got my +HPT I thought I was going crazy and had no idea why I was feeling so incredibly tired. Fatigue was my number 1 symptom throughout the first trimester.

With this pregnancy I started feeling slightly off (a bit queasy and very thirsty), a few days past ovulation. Again I didn't realize what it was until I got my +HPT. With this pregnancy the morning sickness was my #1 symptom in the first trimester.

[mrsfru]

I'm sorry to explain this to you, but immediately after ejaculation its very unlikely that the sperms anywhere near the egg. Ovulation could happen up to 5 days after ejaculation and still have conception occur. Conception is not the moment you DTD, its the moment the sperm meets the egg which is rarely even the same night as the DTD. And when it is the same night, it still takes quite a while for the sperm to get up the tubes and find the egg.

So women who know as soon as ejaculation is over that they are pregnant, are merely hoping they are.

No need to be snarky and judgemental. I know quite well exactly how the whole process works--dealt w/infertility for years, use family planning techniques, etc. You aren't getting what I'm saying, and maybe I didn't explain it well. But I'm sure that others here know where I'm coming from, even it they choose not to speak up. There is a change in your body spiritually as soon as everything is in there together--even before it's all combined. I believe very strongly in that. Maybe some don't notice. Maybe some don't believe that way. But that's my experience, and it isn't YOUR place to judge my experience or my beliefs. Biology isn't everything, especially when it comes to pregnancy and birth.

It is just as much a spiritual experience for me as a physical one.

And to anyone else who feels that they "knew" they were pregnant as soon as they DTD, please don't let anyone invalidate your special experience and new bond to your baby!

mrsfru

[mrsfru]

Originally Posted by SunChild

Yes that is partially correct (IME). My own mother knew that I was "pregnant" days before it happened. She mentioned it to her partner and he felt it (they are both quite advanced souls), and they mentioned it to my grandparents, and when it was time to tell everyone they said "we know"....

But... it all comes down to personal experience.....like...for instance...

having communication with the soul before hand, which both partner and I have had for quite some time. We also knew what our daughter would be like before I had her, got her name that way ect...
Seeing the sperm and the egg is primarily having a narrow materialistic view, without understanding the other forces at work.
Energetically- there's a lot taking place.

Very much in agreement here!

mrsfru

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by mrsfru

No need to be snarky and judgemental.

I wasnt being snarky, unless your original post was snarky. I used the same tone you did to try telling us that just because you believe it makes it true.

[mrsfru]

Originally Posted by MaerynPearl

I wasnt being snarky, unless your original post was snarky. I used the same tone you did to try telling us that just because you believe it makes it true.

Well, it wasn't intended to be. It was friendly--as in "Friend, I disagree." Along w/an explanation of how *I* feel. I didn't say everyone else feels the same way or that b/c I believe that, it should make it true for someone else.

That is my experience-my reply to you was only b/c you thought that I needed an explanation of the birds and the bees.

I do believe that you can even have physical symptoms from the "belief" or knowledge in your heart that you are pregnant (some might call that psychosomatic, and I mentioned that, too). So, I did acknowledge the OP's "physical symptoms" that some thought we were ignoring by adding a spiritual element to the discussion.

Gotta get some dinner now--my spirit baby and I are hungry!

mrsfru