Prevnar 13 - Page 2

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 
 You can always give a vax in the future - you cannot undo one.

This--x 1000.

If he had a full-blown seizure, I would immediately take him to a pediatric neurologist.  They would be very unlikely to give you a run-around, and would probably see your son quite soon.

We had a similar reaction, only the seizures didn't start until an hour after the vaccines (he got 3, and he was only about 6 pounds at this point), and by that time I was home alone with the baby.  I called the pediatrician immediately, but I didn't know it was a seizure (I'd never seen one before), so I didn't SAY it was a seizure, I just tried to describe what was happening. The nurse didn't believe me over the phone, wouldn't let me talk to the pediatrician, and told me that if I brought the baby in, they would refuse to see him because everything was fine, vaccines "don't DO that," and I was obviously over-reacting.

When we finally did get to see the pediatrician, he immediately said that it was a severe reaction, and sent us to a neurologist, who said it was a seizure.

The nurse was fired.

I have found that specialists--neurologists, endocrinologists, dermatologists, rheumatologists etc.--tend to be much more aware of vaccine reactions than pediatricians.

My middle kid's dermatologist told me that they get most of their business from vaccine reactions.

Not exactly reassuring, is it?

Oh, and yes, do report to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System--https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index).  Anyone can report--you don't have to be a doctor to report.  It's a voluntary system, which means that doctors aren't required to report anything if they don't feel like it, which is absolutely ridiculous, when you think about it.

[MommyOfBoys03]

Thank You for your response, Kathy! I am starting to think we are about to become non-vax as well. I am doing my research and weighing the options. Glad to know im not the only one who thinks the doctor was a little off on this one :)

[MommyOfBoys03]

Thanks TaxiMom!!!! Very interesting about the reporting process. Its amazing how the doctors look at you like your dumb when you question the vaccines. I never thought I would be against vaccines. I was with the majority of the public thinking they are required and necessary. But now after some searching online, I am amazed at how bad these drugs can be. People are not getting the proper information about these vaccines b/c I am certain, no mother (or father) would knowingly give these drugs to our babies if they knew they could cause seizures or other serious reactions. Thanks for sharing your story. :)

I took him to the ER today and was able to get him a brain scan and a neurologist and radiologist reviewed it and couldn't see anything. I am just glad I took him so I could at least have a little peace of mind. I think his pediatrician should have sent us to the ER right away just to be safe. But instead it seems they are trying to sweep this under the rug.

Anyone know how to find doctors who are more homeopathic or not pushing vaccines? I am very interested in alternatives.

Thanks so much for everyones responses. It helps talking about this scary situation and getting some advice :)

[purslaine]

Originally Posted by MommyOfBoys03 

Anyone know how to find doctors who are more homeopathic or not pushing vaccines? I am very interested in alternatives.

Thanks so much for everyones responses. It helps talking about this scary situation and getting some advice :)

Are you in the USA?  There is a list somewhere of non-vax pushing doctors in the US,  I will look it up, once I know you are in the USA.

You also want to post in selective/delayed or non-vax - there are people there who have experience finding non-vax friendly docs, as well as dealing with vax pushing doctors if you cannot find one.

Welcome to MDC!

Kathy

[MommyOfBoys03]

Awesome, thanks Kathy!! Yes, I am in the US. Northern California, if that helps any.

[purslaine]

Here is a list from Dr. Sears.

Hope you find one that works for you!

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines/find-vaccine-friendly-doctor-near-you

[SweetSilver]

I have a question, because dd2 had a very similar response (heart rate sky high, BP very low, nearly passed out) to an antibiotic shot that also had a bolus of novacaine (?) in it, since those shots are pretty gargantuan compared to vaxes.  She had some suspicious (mild) throat difficulties but that was the only indication that it might have been an allergic reaction.  Every other symptom conformed to a vagus response.

Aside from a reaction, does this (or any) vaccine contain an numbing agent?  Or perhaps is there any protocol for adding a numbing agent to a vaccine, as happened with my dd's antibiotic shot?

I wouldn't entirely dismiss a vagus response, the vaccine being muscular and the skin prick somewhat superficial.  I don't mean that to sound dismissive of the seriousness of what happened. Our ARNP called 911 and we took a trip to the hospital.

[MommyOfBoys03]

Thanks for your response. I am definitely open to the possibility that it could have been something totally unrelated to the vaccine. But since my doctor is unable to give me any answers, I am left to do my own investigation. As a result I am finding out some pretty scary things about vaccines.

Sorry, but I do not have any suggestions as to what could be the cause with your little one. Hopefully you can get some answers too.

[MommyOfBoys03]

Thanks so Much Kathy!!!! You are a huge help :)

[amnesiac]

Originally Posted by SweetSilver 

I have a question, because dd2 had a very similar response (heart rate sky high, BP very low, nearly passed out) to an antibiotic shot that also had a bolus of novacaine (?) in it, since those shots are pretty gargantuan compared to vaxes.  She had some suspicious (mild) throat difficulties but that was the only indication that it might have been an allergic reaction.  Every other symptom conformed to a vagus response.

Aside from a reaction, does this (or any) vaccine contain an numbing agent?  Or perhaps is there any protocol for adding a numbing agent to a vaccine, as happened with my dd's antibiotic shot?

I wouldn't entirely dismiss a vagus response, the vaccine being muscular and the skin prick somewhat superficial.  I don't mean that to sound dismissive of the seriousness of what happened. Our ARNP called 911 and we took a trip to the hospital.

Pain can definitely trigger a vasovagal response & I think that's likely if you're talking about something that happens immediately upon injection. Certain injectable medications (some antibiotics, steroids etc) are known to be really painful. In terms of vaccines, PCV is probably the most painful. That's why many practices give that vaccine last when administering more than one.

[MommyOfBoys03]

Is a vasovagal response similar to Reflex Anoxic Seizures? In my research I keep coming back to this type of seizure which is due to sudden trauma, pain or fear. I think its an overstimulation of the vagal nerve. I am leaning more towards this rather than a problem with the vaccine. Still, it scares me to continue to vaccinate. How do you continue to vaccinate a toddler who has seizures from the pain or fear of injection? Someone told me they can sedate the baby, but im not open to that. I just am having a hard time figuring if the benefits out-weigh the risks in this type of situation. I have learned in the last couple days that Reflex Anoxic Seizures are very common durring injections or blooddraws. Even bumps on the head or extreme heat can cause them. Plus, it is related to GERD, which my son had for a long time after he was born. He would actually stop breathing when he would have a reflux episode. He also had bradycardia while he was in the NICU. Then he was diagnosed with Plagiocephaly and wore a helmet for 3 months. Looking at the big picture of everything that he has had since he was born, maybe it is all somehow connected. We are currently looking for a new pediatrician to get a fresh view on everything. I just feel in the dark. In my gut I feel like I need to keep digging to find a doctor who is on the same page as me. I know I sound crazy, but we have been through so much with him since he was born and I dont think the seizure is just a coincidence. Maybe if he hadnt had all these other issues I would believe that it was a coincidence, but I am worried it could be something more serious. At least the brain scan ruled out epilepsy, which is great news!!

[amnesiac]

Some of this might be interesting or helpful:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK7423/
http://www.aan.com/go/education/curricula/family/chapter7/section1


I think that if you're having this pervasive feeling that incidents over time point to something being wrong, it certainly wouldn't hurt to ask your doctor about whether a cardiac consult might be something to consider.

[MommyOfBoys03]

I think that's a great idea. I think if anything it would put our minds at ease. Thanks for all that great information!!!

[SweetSilver]

Originally Posted by MommyOfBoys03 

How do you continue to vaccinate a toddler who has seizures from the pain or fear of injection? 

Well, we never got our boosters because extreme needle shyness, then dd2 got the shot I described.  So much for getting over it!  My girls were finished with their first round of shots.  So, my answer would be.... you don't have to continue.  Do your homework, weigh your options.  

[MommyOfBoys03]

Wow, your poor dd2! I am definitely going to do some research and weigh my options.

[gelsominarosa]

from the package insert for Prevnar 13, they acknowledge SEIZURES as an effect:

Of the 17,066 children involved in the Prevnar safety trial, there were 24 hospitalisations, including 2 cases of pneumonia and 1 case of otitis media (the very things they are supposed to be immunising against) and 1 case of congestive heart failure. In addition to this there were also 162 visits to the emergency room department including 20 cases of seizure, 15 cases of otitis media, 6 cases of pneumonia and 1 case of sepsis. 
12 cases of SIDS death also occurred in subjects receiving Prevnar and 1 SIDS like death in a child over 1 year old. This included 1 death within 1 week of vaccination, 2 deaths 2 weeks after vaccination, 2 deaths one month after vaccination and 4 deaths in the year following vaccination. (4). 
There have also been 217 DEATHS reported to Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System in the US since 2000. 
E.G. VAERS case number 167703 states: ‘Information has been received from an investigator regarding a 3 month old female who received her first dose of Prevnar as part of a post-marketing safety surveillance trial. At 39 days, post vax, the infant died due to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.’ (5). 

CONTRAINDICATIONS (people who should not receive the vaccine) 

Hypersensitivity to any part of the vaccine 
Illness with fever 
Seizure disorder 
Latex allergy (since the vaccine is packaged in latex) 
Thrombocytopenia or any coagulation disorder 
Adults – especially pregnant and lactating women 

Prevnar has not been evaluated for any carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or impairment of fertility (i.e. they don’t know if it causes cancer, mutates into other illnesses or impairs people’s ability to have children). (4). 

SOURCES: 
4. Wyeth Lederle Vaccine Manufacturer’s Data Sheet for Prevnar vaccine – Lederle Laboratories. 

http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Prevnar-Vaccination