Originally Posted by 2xy
How is perfection capable of creating imperfection?
If everything was good at that point, then wasn't the serpent also good? Why would they have any reason to distrust what the serpent said, if everything was good? How can you know "good as it is contrasted with evil" if evil does not exist?
Once again, I fail to understand how a perfect being can create imperfect beings. If a being is perfect, then everything he or she creates should also be perfect.
Doesn't disobedience fall under the "evil" category?
Well, this thead kinda slipped my mind today because my babe is sick... so this may not be the most thoroughly thought out.
Best I can do on question #1 is that God is capable of anything. God, to me and most christians, is everything good, to the point that there is no good without him. In fact, to be without God is to have a lack of truth, love, goodness... etc etc. We can experience degrees of it without God but not in its true and unaltered freedom.
I haven't gotten a chance to read those verses that Shami put up yet, but, about the world before sin came in. The world itself was perfect. The physical world was perfect, because that is the way that God created it. However, if
the world of ideas, or the world of thought were to be made perfect, then we would not have free will. CLARIFICATION: To be without God is to be imperfect, so if we are to separate ourselves from God mentally, then we make our thoughts/ideas imperfect. (And of course if God created our minds perfect then we would not be capable of separating ourselves mentally from him and thus not have free will).
And so the serpent questioned whether God made sense to say "don't eat from that tree". If you read the story, the serpent asked them "did God really
say don't eat from that tree?" . he said "you will surely
not die" (I don't have a bible in front of me).
ei, he said---" you aren't really
going to listen to God are you?"
So the disobedience was evil. And it brought evil into the world (separation from God. That is the def of sin, anything that separates us from God. )
And that is how they will "come to know good contrasted with evil". becase they will bring evil into the world. (From what I said in previous post--- I meant, that the "knowlegde of good and evil" was really telling them directly that evil will enter the world as a result of eating. Since evil was not in the world, how can they have knowlegde of it, unless they ... obtain knowlegde, by experiencing. So God was saying 'you eat from this tree, you will know of good (already in the world) and evil (you will experience as a result of eating/disobeying)'
Whether to listen to God or th serpent was their choice. You can make the argument that they didn't know who God was, or that they thought the serpent was good. But I don't think either are good arguments since
1. They knew God created the world, and for
them, non the less. That's obvious bcause He told them to help Him in His creation work (by naming the animals.) Bible says they walked with God...... and if God is truth then He doesn't hide who He is.
2. if they knew who God is then there is no mistake about someone (serpent) who calls Him a liar. or a misleader.
I hope this helps.
I know it's hard to imagine a god like the christian god, esp when you add in all these things that seem to contradict one another. When I started trying to figure out who he was claiming to be, my starting point was good vs evil. Once I could see that good and evil can not co-exist in the least, then I coul wrap my head around some of the other stuff...
So, I know it's all hypothetical for you , but maybe that a starting point for understanding?