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Help. Forced Separation from 2 week old

post #1 of 16
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Hello my name is Mina and this is my first ever post (I'm desperate for other peoples' insights). I have a wonderful two year old with Down syndrome, and am about to have another baby in 4 weeks. My husband and I are separated and the Judge has ruled in Custody Hearing that the new baby start a weekly overnight with him at only 2 weeks of age! Although I want them to spend lots of time together, the overnight separation feels so wrong to me on many different levels. For eg, I really want to breastfeed him/her for the first year & know this will risk nipple confusion etc before 6-8 weeks of age but I'm also very concerned about the separation overall. How do other mothers feel about this?
Thanks!
Mina
post #2 of 16
wow...that's crazy!

i would think 6 weeks would be more "normal." i mean, maternity leave is 6 weeks, babies can't even start daycare before 6 weeks!!!
and even then, an overnight seems excessive.
post #3 of 16
This is so wrong! That baby will need it's mama so young.

I have no advice, apart from trying to find a pediatrician who will back you up, and contacting lll, but I just wanted to say welcome, and I'm so sorry you're having to go through this at this time. Maybe after a couple of overnights, your former partner will change his mind...
post #4 of 16
Oh Mama! I'm so sorry that you are going through this. Can you speak to your doctor perhaps. Let him/her know the situation and that you intend to breastfeed. Perhaps they can speak on your behalf to the judge and let them know that is way to early. Is your ex willing to make these changes on his own? This is way too early to be separated for long periods of time, especially overnight. I hope that you find a resolution soon.
post #5 of 16
That is horrible! You still have time to appeal it! If you are breastfeeding you can definitely get medical backup to support NOT separating you and your newborn!
I can only imagine how horrible that would be postpartum.
Don't just take it!
post #6 of 16
I'd definetly appeal. Thats insane. I can *NOT* imagine sending my lo overnight with *ANYONE* at 2 wks. Heck I can't imagine it at 6 months!! Appeal. For. Sure.
post #7 of 16
By the time she gets an appeal or objections, it is going to be too late...

MY suggestion...

Nurse exclussively for two weeks, do not offer bottles at all. Between nursings, pump, pump, pump. Especially while you have an abudent supply. Pump every ounce out you can and freeze it.

then, when he comes to get the baby, give him enough frozen bags to get through a day.

At about 2 weeks of age, you are probably talking about 2 ozs every 2 hours. So, I would freeze in 2 oz bags, or better yet...I would freeze in ice cube trays, they are about an ounce a cube.

When he asks for bottles, just tell him you exclusively nurse, so he will need to get some, and that you have supplied him with frozen breastmilk, he will need either 1 bag of milk per feeding, or that he will need 2 cubes per feeding. Let him know that he needs to keep it frozen and thaw it under cold water, or pull out the next feeding and let it thaw when he gets ready to feed.

I don't think he is going to enjoy being up every 2 hours all night long. Also, he is the one who is goign to have to train the baby to take a bottle, not you.

The judge cannot force you to bottle feed or formula feed your child, neither can your soon to be x.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by khaoskat View Post
By the time she gets an appeal or objections, it is going to be too late...

MY suggestion...

Nurse exclussively for two weeks, do not offer bottles at all. Between nursings, pump, pump, pump. Especially while you have an abudent supply. Pump every ounce out you can and freeze it.

then, when he comes to get the baby, give him enough frozen bags to get through a day.

At about 2 weeks of age, you are probably talking about 2 ozs every 2 hours. So, I would freeze in 2 oz bags, or better yet...I would freeze in ice cube trays, they are about an ounce a cube.

When he asks for bottles, just tell him you exclusively nurse, so he will need to get some, and that you have supplied him with frozen breastmilk, he will need either 1 bag of milk per feeding, or that he will need 2 cubes per feeding. Let him know that he needs to keep it frozen and thaw it under cold water, or pull out the next feeding and let it thaw when he gets ready to feed.

I don't think he is going to enjoy being up every 2 hours all night long. Also, he is the one who is goign to have to train the baby to take a bottle, not you.

The judge cannot force you to bottle feed or formula feed your child, neither can your soon to be x.
I agree with all of this. But maybe you could brief your ex on what this will look like NOW, so that he will be amicable to a modified arrangement until 6 weeks or so. I can't even imagine a "husband of the year" type guy to want to take on a 2 week old on an overnight visit. If your relationship with your x is bad, I would steer clear of using your emotions to persuade him in case he wants to spite you. Rather explain the logistics and see if he's even up to the task. Good luck to you, it sounds like a very difficult situation.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by khaoskat View Post
The judge cannot force you to bottle feed or formula feed your child, neither can your soon to be x.
i respectfully disagree. this is only partially true. part of why the NCP gets "parenting time" is so that they get the freedom to make their own decisions regarding the care of their child. when your LO is with your ex, ex may feed whatever on earth he feels like feeding the child. he is not the tiniest bit obligated to give your milk to LO. if he chooses to feed ABM, he certainly may. and many judges have ordered weaning when it looked like bf was the reason NCPs were being denied visitation.

having said that...call LLL immediately. my exdh left me when i was 9wks pg with ds2. i had CLW ds1 and never once used a bottle, and planned a repeat for ds2. i was terrified that something like this would happen to me, so i called LLL who gave me the number of a lawyer who specialized in BF/custody issues. her name was Liz Baldwin. unfortunately (i did not know it at the time) she was terminally ill when we spoke. she has since passed, but her writings are easily found on the LLL site. i spoke with her in 2001 so by now another atty may have stepped up for LLL.

also, please check this out: http://www.kathydettwyler.org/detletter.htm
it mostly refers to extended bf, but also touches on separation. kathy gives her #, so call her and see what she can offer.

another thing to keep in mind: if you went back to work, the earliest would likely be 6 wks pp and for only about 8-9 hrs/day max. that should be the bare minimun guideline for infant/mother separation. an overnight is usually 12-24 hrs. way way too long, even at 6 wks.

will your ped testify that you LO will be harmed by separation before bf is well established (possible refusal of unfamiliar bottle nipple leading to malnutrition, harm to gut by ABM)? will your ob/mw testify that you are at risk for engorgement/mastitis if you are forced to endure long hrs away from your LO? can you get a professional to attest to the psychological harm to the LO of too-early separation?

i followed liz baldwins advice to the letter and was never separated from my son until he was just a bit over a yr old, and then only for 1-2 hrs every 2 wks. he loved his daddy and was fine with leaving my apt with ex. his first overnight was at 3 yrs of age. we did one overnight per month for the next few yrs. now at almost 8yo we are on a aregular EOW shedule. your sitch is tricky bc the order is already in effect (never heard of that before?!). if i was in your shoes...and please know that this is so not even close to professional advice...anyway, i would fall off the face of the earth somewhere about 38 wks pg and not show my face again until my LO was about 3 yrs old. no way in hell i'd let anyone take my baby away from me. i'm sorry you must deal with this. best wishes to you and your 2 dc.
post #10 of 16
Surely you can talk to your ex and he'd understand that it's too early for baby to be gone for that long from you???

If worse comes to worse and he goes for the overnight and if latch has been well established i'm sure your little one will not suffer from nipple confusion. Breast feels better and tastes better to them. Just a little reassurance
post #11 of 16
I can't believe there is a man out there that would want a 2 week old baby over-night by himself. He is really going to follow through with the judgment, he's that irrational? I would be scared to leave my baby with a man that was willing to take him/her overnight at such a young age. I would try to work something out where your baby doesn't have to go overnight for at least a year, or maybe you can move next door to your ex?..
post #12 of 16
is he going to have your 2 year old also, on the same overnight time? if so, what a handful!!

any chance you can work it out with him that he lets you come over and nurse the baby at least every 2-3 hours around the clock?

if not, any chance that you can "bribe" him out of doing this by offering him something else that you know he would like? (i.e., think hard about what the man really really wants and find a way to give that to him in exchange for the overnights "for awhile." the judge doesn't need to know if you both agree to it, right?)
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Dear Blessedwith boys. Thank you SO MUCH for your incredibly informative response. And all the other supportive responses from others have also made me feel so much better (and more outraged!). I've used info from the website link. Have left messages for LLL but noone ever calls me back (had left messages a month prior also) and I cant get through to any relevant department about getting a legal counsel referral. But what a great idea. Hopefully I will hear back this time.
Thank you everyone for your responses. And YES he fully intends and plans and wants to do the overnights. Incidentally Judge also ruled he canhave newborn for 6 hours away from me if he wishes in the first 14 days (in addition to a few hours several days a week which is fine)
post #14 of 16
From what I've heard, using BFing as an excuse to delay visitation rights usually backfires on the mom. Something to consider.
post #15 of 16
This is hard to believe. I guess the next best option is to move next door to your ex. That way he can have his visitation and you can be close. Personally, I don't know a man around me that would take a nursing baby away from it's mother in the first year. I wish you the best, this must be tough! s
post #16 of 16
Is your ex a loving man? I can't detect that from your posts. Does he want this to spite you or because he wants to build a relationship with his baby from the start?

All of that would affect my advice.
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