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I think my mother may just be a mean person.

post #1 of 14
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Hi everyone. I usually don't post over here, stay mainly in the special needs parenting and recently in the I'm pregnant () section. But I really need some advice from an outside perspective about what for us is a very serious situation. If it gets long I apologize in advance, but I will try to keep it brief.

My grandmother owns a lot of houses and property. Some of those homes my mother and her brother co-own with grandma either individually or together.

7 years ago we lived in an apartment that we needed to move from asap because of harassment from a next door neighbor. My mother suggested I buy on loan contract one of my grandmothers homes that is co-owned with my uncle. We paid around 2 thousand down and moved in before the contract was written up. Once we started moving in we realized that the repairs on the home that we were told had happened never took place, the home was around 50-60 years old and had been neglected. Once realizing this we said we no longer wanted to buy it but would rent until we could find somewhere else. That was fine with everyone. Time went on and we were encouraged to continue living there because the rent was so cheap on us, and like idiots we followed the advice.

As the years went by we made several repairs out of pocket, some we were able to get taken off the rent, some not. Many things we just did not have the money to fix, like out of date wiring and a standing water problem under the house. We reported the problems but were told there was no money to fix it. Once again like idiots we stayed.

The finale straw came about 2 months ago when the water main on our side broke underground. The city came dug a giant hole only to see that the problem was on our side 4 foot under the ground and left. My family said they would not fix the water that we needed to and didn't know why we had a problem with the request. Needless to say we needed to find a new place. My mom is living with my ill grandmother and her house is empty. We moved into her house with just a suitcase of stuff for each of us while we looked for a new rental.
We found a place after 4 days and were supposed to start moving the next day and I told mom it would take about 2 weeks to be in our new place because I wanted to take my time and make sure we got everything ready before moving in so there would be less chaos with the kids. The next day she called and said we needed to get everything out and move because someone had called and said our old house was going to be robbed that night.
We panicked and called everyone we knew ran around crazy and got enough stuff in the new place to live there for at least the time being. I am unpacking and my husband is moving stuff and my sister calls and tells me my mom had lied. I call mom and she says "oh, well, I guess I could have been wrong.... I really needed you out of my house, I was worried your kids would break my things, especially A". By the way my son A has multiple health/behavioral problems that he goes to therapy and specialist for and is more likely to break things on accident because of his inability to know how hard he is touching something.

So the next day I tell her that it will be hard but we should be able to get everything out of the old house with-en a week. She asks if I am going to pay another months rent for this. I say ummm, no, we need that money and we are leaving all the sheet rock and insulation we had just bought for repairs so it should even out. She says ok, take your time I talked to my brother and no one is in a hurry take as long as you need.

I have talked to her many times since then, she has never said a word about anything again. We have 1 load of our things left to move out and some furniture and stuff that we were going to give away or take to the dump. She come buy and asks for the key, my husband says sorry, but that key was lost a long time ago because the lock had stopped working and we didn't use it anymore. She says well you need to get your stuff out by tomorrow or anything you left belongs to my brother.

My husband works 3rd shift tonight and tomorrow is his birthday. He is there as we speak working his butt off. I call mom to say that I wish she would have said something earlier. She laughs, she actually LAUGHS and says "oh I lied, JT made me mad when he said he lost the key so I just made that up ha ha ha well maybe this will light a fire under his butt. ha ha ha".
I want NOTHING to do with her again. This is the same woman that informed me when I was 15 "Did I ever tell you I was going to have an abortion with you but the dr's told me I was to far along, just thought you needed to know."

Do I even want this person around my kids? She is nice enough to them but encourages them to act out against there dad and puts me down in front of them. We are a really laid back family that tries to volunteer and help others as much as possible. Our house is chaos free, until someone (like my mom) brings there chaos to us. Is this relationship even worth trying to save? I don't want to put up with it anymore and now that we live out of my families property I really don't have to. Question is, should I?

Sorry it got so long, really no way to make the story shorter. Believe it or not it could have gotten a LOT longer, I just gave you guys the basics.
Thanks for any advice you can give me.
post #2 of 14
I'm sorry your mother behaves so erratically. That must be so challenging to deal with. I don't think you have to maintain a relationship with her if you don't want to. It sounds like she's very unpredictable, which is a personality trait that drives me crazy. Sometimes she's nice, sometimes not, but you never know what to expect. If you're unsure about cutting off contact, you could just drastically reduce the contact you have with her. It's wonderful
that you won't be living in a property owned by your family, so no obligation to keep the peace. You have plenty of your own family(children and husband) to keep you occupied and could easily minimize contact with her. See how that goes. If you feel better without having to deal with her, that's probably a good answer for you. I've done this with my father. Some issues arose that I'm not happy about and have just reduced contact without explicitly saying I didn't want to see him anymore. I realize at some point I may want more of a relationship with him and this us working for now. You might also try reading Toxic Parents. It helped me to see that the way my father acts don't really have anything to do with me.

If anyone else treated you like she does, would you continue the relationship? I don't think you owe it to her just because she's your mother. I also feel like I owe it to my son to protect him from some of the hurtful ways my father is likely to behave with him. So while I might be able to
continue to deal with my father, I don't want my child hurt and disapponted in the ways that I was.

Good lick with your new place and your pregnancy! You don't need more stress now!
post #3 of 14
I would not want my family exposed to that type of person. I say move out and move on with your lives.
post #4 of 14
I finally realized the best thing for my family was to stay away from my mother unfortunately. It took years of verbal abuse, manipulation, head games, ect for me to realize she was poison to our lives. I wish you the best.
post #5 of 14
Your mother sounds like a very self-serving person. If she is encouraging your children to disrespect their father and she herself is disrespecting you, I think it's time to move out and cut ties with her.
post #6 of 14
I think people who have a healthy relationship w/ their parents too easily say the kids need grandparents.... for those of us that have toxic parents, we know that most times life is better w/o these people in our lives. Other times, relationships just need to be redefined. Your mom could still be in your life, but don't depend on her, don't ask for her help, don't inculude her in any of your family decisions, don't let her manipulate you.... maybe invite her to you dc b-days, send her mothers day cards... keep it simple.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by jeteaa View Post
I think people who have a healthy relationship w/ their parents too easily say the kids need grandparents.... for those of us that have toxic parents, we know that most times life is better w/o these people in our lives. Other times, relationships just need to be redefined. Your mom could still be in your life, but don't depend on her, don't ask for her help, don't inculude her in any of your family decisions, don't let her manipulate you.... maybe invite her to you dc b-days, send her mothers day cards... keep it simple.
Amen.

We often hear "oh it is such a shame that DH's father doesn't know your DS, that they (father and son) don't talk anymore, blah, blah, blah...."

Most of the time, this type of talk comes from "normal" and "nice" families who think ties were broken over one disagreement. I want to tell them to shut the f up, that they have no idea how awful FIL treated his own son and so on but I don't. I know their intentions are good and because they have never experienced that level of toxicity, they couldn't possibily understand.

If relationships can be redefined, great. If not, have no guilt about looking out for the family you created first.

There is NOTHING like wacky relatives and real estate to put the crazy-making into overdrive! We had our fair share of that before we moved.
post #8 of 14
Two book recommendations if you are a reader.

Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

Boundaries by Dr. Henry Cloud and Dr. John Townsend ( this one is Christian-based, but full of good info whether you are a Christian or not.)

I agree that people from normal families often do not understand just how bad it can be when you come from a very dysfunctional or toxic family. All families are a little dysfunctional, but some are way beyond what is considered normal.

You have every right to protect yourself and your little family you've made from your not so normal family or origin.
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your responses. I'm sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I wrote the original post right after it all hit the fan and I was shaking I was so angry so God bless you to anyone willing to read that crazy long post! Speaking of crazy... one of the reasons I took so long to respond is that the "family" as in my extended family decided to pull out the crazy wagon and put on a show after all of this for a few days and I have just now come down to were I am not constantly either upset or angry about it all.
I'm not going to bother going into the details because bless your hearts I have a feeling you all have been there done that and know how bad it can be when they all circle around you. Actually in terms of meanness I have learned that mom really isn't that bad when compared to the rest of her close family.

I like the idea of doing a slow passive withdraw. It seems like it would do the trick without causing a giant explosion like we have been going through recently. I really, really dont need a repeat of the past couple of weeks. The phone calls have gotten shorter, we have prior engagements and cant make it so on and so forth so far so good.

For the first time in my life we did not go to my extended family's for Easter. Instead we took a close friends offer of visiting his church 45 minutes from us enjoyed a beautiful service with a light buffet and hung out for hours. It was the most relaxed and enjoyable Easter we have ever had. The joy of peace is something I have missed thank you all for giving me a toe nudge in the right direction. I am an adult now, I no longer HAVE to put up with it and God bless them my children dont have to be subjected to it either.

Thank you all again.
post #10 of 14
why didn't you call the cops if your mom said the house was going to be robbed? Packing to move out seems like a really weird response to me. This apartment getting robbed is a more likely scenario and I wouldn't move if I was told it was going to get robbed in a few days, I'd drag the person who told me about the threat to the police for questioning. (And I'd find it utterly bizarre and suspicious if they didn't agree and already had plans to go themselves)

Frankly, if your place had been robbed, the first person I'd suspect would be your mom.


Back on topic, get out.

OMG, just read the rest of your post like the bs about "if it's not gone, it's your brother's" and about Telling you she wanted to abort you. Cut off all contact. (Except maybe through lawyers.)
post #11 of 14
Sister? Are you my sister?

I feel for you, I also have a very toxic mother. There has been many times that I have avoided her for months at a time. Of course, she is the person who makes EVERYTHING about her. No one ever does for her, but she does for everyone, blah blah crap. She is very self-serving and self-centered.

It is extremely hard to heal the mother gut wound, I know this first hand. I am sorry you have a mother that is hurtful and seems to take pride in being so.

I hope you receive many replies with great advise. Just wanted to offer you and say that whatever feels right in YOUR HEART is what you need to do. It is hard, but put your family before extended family. Your mother raised her family, now it is your turn. The toxic nature of the things she does is not worth your emotional pain, or the emotional pain that she obviously causes your children (by speaking badly of you or your HD!)
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by jeteaa View Post
I think people who have a healthy relationship w/ their parents too easily say the kids need grandparents.... for those of us that have toxic parents, we know that most times life is better w/o these people in our lives. Other times, relationships just need to be redefined. Your mom could still be in your life, but don't depend on her, don't ask for her help, don't inculude her in any of your family decisions, don't let her manipulate you.... maybe invite her to you dc b-days, send her mothers day cards... keep it simple.
I agree. I got a lot of flack from moving so far away from my family... but trust me.. some of them are total losers... not the kind you want to be raising kids around.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
I have been trying to think of how to explain the cop situation in an area like we lived in to someone that has never lived in an area like we did..... So here goes my best attempt.

The town we lived in does not have a police force. I think it has had a cop on duty by loan from somewhere a couple of times.... but they never lasted more than a week or so. So we would have had to call either the county sheriff's office, which is waaaay understaffed, or the state police. Neither of them would have done anything without any "proof" and my mom had told me that the person that told her about the break in was not willing to go on record. Which as wierd as it may seem to some people pretty normal for that area. It would be like putting a big target on your head.
I know it probably sounds crazy that we lived in an area like that but I had grown up in that town and know everyone so as long as we were actually living there the danger was pretty much zero. But with us out of the house.... well empty houses are easily targeted. If there was water at the place or if we had planned on moving back into the house then we would have just put the word out that we were still living there and would be there that night and no one would have bothered us, but we were not going to live there and without water we couldn't even spend the night. 7 ppl without a working toilet even for one night can get.... well gross.
Hope that cleared up the confusion. Oh and the place we live at now seems much better. Within the first week of living here the local constable came and introduced himself to us. So hopefully this is a much safer area.
Its just hard to explain to people that have never lived in that sort of place before.
post #14 of 14
Ah, that does explain it. Thanks for clarifying, I've only ever lived in towns with real police departments.

that your new place is better
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