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post #1 of 27
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I'm just sickened by the amounts of aluminum and antmony. These are for my 3 1/2 year old son. He has never been vaccinated other than a vit k shot at birth. He has multiple allergies and we are treating him through a naturopathic dr with enzymes, amino acid blend, and some other gut healing strategies. Let me know if you need more info! Thank you !!!
post #2 of 27
Can you talk a bit about the amino acid blend? Ingredients, whether you saw anything odd when you introduced it? And can you provide a quick rundown on what other supps you're using?

I ask because, well, for two reasons. Quite a few things are elevated into the yellow, and I *think* that's possible if supps that mobilize are being taken. I'm not really sure, but it's a possibility. The second is that 6 of the essential elements go into the red zone, and 4+ is one of Andy Cutler's criteria for looking for mercury toxicity. Among those, the copper is the most potentially problematic, but I'd need to look tonight to see if copper is always accurate when mineral transport is deranged due to mercury.

Have you read the 2nd post down on this page?

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...lating&page=30

It discusses Cutler's approach to looking for mercury--it's not straightforward like just looking at how high the bar next to mercury is. How's your health, do you have amalgams or another source of mercury? Or can you think of a separate source of exposure for your son?
post #3 of 27
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Sure! Here are the supps he's on.

Basic multivitamin (contains A, C, D3, E, Calcium, Chromium, Magnesium, Molybdenum, Selenium,and Zinc). I also give him extra magnesium at night and extra molybdenum separately. Perma-Clear by Thorne which treats the gut lining with L-glutamine and N-Acetylglucosamine, contains quercetin which is a natural antihistamine, and probiotics. His enzyme blend is a combo of protease, amylase, lactase, lipase, etc. Vitamins are dosed once a day and perma-clear and enzymes are taken before each meal.

It's possible some things are pulling stuff. Like selenium? I have two small fillings, not sure if those could have had an affect on him in utero? I'll read the link you posted. So cutler is saying that he could have high mercury even though the test doesn't show high mercury? He and I have both never been vaccinated so I just didn't think mercury could be an issue. I did suspect the antimony. My stomach is in knots but I'm trying to breathe through this. Chelation may be in our future I guess.

It doesnt' help that he's having an allergic reaction (diarrhea) right now either. We've been baseline for a while so it's stressing me out !! I hate not knowing where the contamination is from.

Here are his allergies:
Jack has IGE allergies to the following, from most severe to least:
(food)
Peanut
Dairy
Egg
Tree nuts
Soy
Corn
Red grapes
Green peas

(environmental)
Dust mite
Dogs
Mold
Cats

Jack has IGG allergies to the following:
Sugar cane, apple, apricot, cranberry, red grape, grapefruit, lemon, orange, papaya, peach, pear, rasberry, oyster, almond, amaranth, barley, kidney bean, lima bean, pinto bean, soy (huge!), coconut, corn, filber, wheat, lentil, oat, green pea (another huge), peanut, pean, rice, rye, spelt, walnut, asparagus, avocado, cabbage, carrot, cauliflower, celery, cucumber, garlic, lettuce, oion, bell pepper, sweet potato, white potato, pumpkin, radish, zucchini, tomato.
post #4 of 27
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Okay, read the post on low mercury levels and the cause being that it isn't being excreted well. That makes sense.

Jack has made huge improvements on these supplements, not sure if it's from gut healing or from gentle chelating affects...his speech/language has improved, anxiety levels down, etc.
post #5 of 27
I would definitely take a good look at mercury toxicity. Here's a link to Andy Cutler's rules for evaluating mercury toxicity - you'll see at the bottom, it gives some "additional patterns" criteria for mercury toxicity as well. One I see on your son's test is calcium & mag very high, sodium & potassium low.

If mercury is an issue, then lots of other things on the test are related to the mercury, and not accurate by themselves. Mercury isn't our issue, so I'm afraid I don't know which ones those are. So I'll comment now on a couple of things I see in the test, but they're only relevant if mercury doesn't skew those results.

For antimony (and arsenic, very similar chemical), the biggest short term thing to know is that they can mess with the body's ability to use magnesium. So extra magnesium and B6 (ideally the active form, P5P) will help compensate.

For zinc, really high hair zinc can sometimes mean really low body zinc. And if your son really does have high copper and low body zinc, that gives you a couple of things to look at. First, what sources of copper (supps, water pipes), and second, low body zinc tends to make for really poor digestion due to low stomach acid. So supping zinc, and doing the digestive enzymes, should be helpful if that is the case. It also means he's highly unlikely to be absorbing B12 - so a sublingual form of B12 that bypasses the digestive tract would be good (and would help his body deal with the antimony).
post #6 of 27
OK, cross posted, LOL...

My son was very high in antimony 9 months ago (like twice the levels of your little guy, and he was only 2). The good news is, it's one of the easier ones for the body to get rid of, once you get his methylation pathway moving. All the environmental allergies would also support that his methylation is really sluggish. The supps to help with that are folate (folinic acid and/or mthf folate, not folic acid) and B12 (ideally sublingual, probably methyl b12 - my son needs a different form, but try the methyl b12 first).

Does the multi have copper in it by any chance? And how much zinc? How much extra mag does he get?

Also, if he's both IgE and IgG to corn, as I understand it, the vitamin C in multi's is always corn derived - maybe an issue? And the E is usually soy derived.
post #7 of 27
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Thank you for your responses!!

Okay, I also forgot to mention that we do regular epsom baths (almost nightly) and I supp with CLO. Also, his multi doesn't contain copper and it's from Lee Silsby and says it's corn/soy/every other allergen free. I give Jack a single dose of buffered magnesium glycinate powder each night.

We did supp B12 for a while but our naturopathic doctor did a blood test checking for methylation issues and said it wasn't a problem.

I'm also having him look at these results and will see what he says. He does a urine test but it requires drinking a chelator first and he's always said getting it down Jack would be near impossible, that's why I ordered the hair test on my own.

Thank you again, so much! It helps to not feel so alone on this.

mamafish - what methods are you using to pull antimony levels from your son? Did you notice differences in behavior and/or physical well being by doing so?
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by Juniper Gerrie-Sue View Post
Okay, read the post on low mercury levels and the cause being that it isn't being excreted well. That makes sense.

Jack has made huge improvements on these supplements, not sure if it's from gut healing or from gentle chelating affects...his speech/language has improved, anxiety levels down, etc.
For my kids, mood and behavior improvements were due to a decrease in circulating toxins. It's not chelation, that's pulling metals out of tissues, it's just reducing what's floating around on a day-to-day basis. My son stopped banging his head on the wall because of this, it was different stuff with DD. That's a reasonable guess as to what you're seeing. Improved gut health can do the same things--less food fragments leaking into the bloodstream, fewer weird stresses--I don't know how to describe it well, but I've seen DS do odd things when he's got a diarrheal illness, something about messed up gut function itself can also be involved. Maybe both in your case.

I didn't see anything you listed that looked like a mobilizer, which is good. It's good to add in things that mobilize in a deliberate, planned manner.

Did you list the amino acids?

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Originally Posted by Juniper Gerrie-Sue View Post
Thank you for your responses!!

Okay, I also forgot to mention that we do regular epsom baths (almost nightly) and I supp with CLO. Also, his multi doesn't contain copper and it's from Lee Silsby and says it's corn/soy/every other allergen free. I give Jack a single dose of buffered magnesium glycinate powder each night.

We did supp B12 for a while but our naturopathic doctor did a blood test checking for methylation issues and said it wasn't a problem.

You could check B12 blood levels, my understanding is that you want to be in the top third of the ref range. If you have that many IgE allergies, I'd say yeah, methylation isn't great, but sometimes balancing it can be tricky. Mamafish knows more about that than I do, for us, methylation-type supps either help or do nothing, I've never seen a bad reaction. B12, in some form, is very common with related health issues, but you may want to use a hydroxycobalamin form.

I'm also having him look at these results and will see what he says. He does a urine test but it requires drinking a chelator first and he's always said getting it down Jack would be near impossible, that's why I ordered the hair test on my own.

Thank you again, so much! It helps to not feel so alone on this.

mamafish - what methods are you using to pull antimony levels from your son? Did you notice differences in behavior and/or physical well being by doing so?
If you consider a provoked challenge test (drink a chelator first, then collect urine), educate yourself on the risks and benefits. I wouldn't do that for myself or my kids, I think you've got a good start on the info you need to go forward with this and with symptoms.

re: source of mercury... Depending on the person, just a little is enough to do a lot of damage, but for other folks, they can have a mouthful of amalgam and not have issues. So, what's your health history? I had stuff like anxiety, depression, thyroid issues, general fatigue, um, seasonal allergies, stuff like that. Started happening after my amalgams were placed in my pre-teen years. I'm one of those people that builds up mercury in my body, and the kids grew in me, so that's their route of exposure. Extra stresses--life stresses, physical stresses like illness or conditions like celiac--hasten the process in those susceptible--well, really, I think they hasten any health problems that a person is prone to, it's just that for me, it was metals.

With the health problems you're seeing in your son, and the hair test results you've gotten, I think reading about heavy metal chelation would be the right next step. Kenneth Bock's Healing the New Childhood Epidemics is a good book, there are others. Online forums help. I prefer Andy Cutler-style oral chelation, frequent low dose, so the autism-mercury yahoo group is one I've done some reading on.

It's important to educate yourself. Not all HCPs are really as good with heavy metals as they think they are. I lucked into one, it was only later that I realized that there's a lot of sub-par advice out there, it's really a buyer-beware situation. Your HCP may be great, but it's important to understand what's going on, the risks and benefits.

There's a thread here at MDC that helped me get my bearings a couple years ago....
http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...ight=chelating

It's long, not to be read all in one sitting, but it helped me.
post #9 of 27
One more little thing, how is he for vitamin D? Is the only D from the multivit? You may be giving a lot of A, between FCLO and the multi (is the multi actually preformed A, or is it beta-carotene?). My kids' vit D was pretty darn low, best guess based on my health and their symptoms, and normalizing that, using the ranges given by the vitamin D council, may be good, it won't be bad--good for immune system function.
post #10 of 27
Second vote for being very careful and educating yourself on various methods for pulling metals - like Tanya, I would shy away from a provoked test, and use Andy Cutler's methods. We did, but used zeolite as the chelator - it doesn't work for everyone, but it did for us.

And in my lay opinion, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY his methylation is working well with all the allergies and metals toxicity. Just my humble opinion . In a healthy, well methylating person, antimony and arsenic clear the body easily via methylation, so for me, any buildup of those two (without big exposures) is a big warning flag that methylation is slow/malfunctioning.

ETA: On the multi being "everything free" - it's legally OK to say that so long as there are very few proteins left - so the vite C is derived from corn, but they get rid of almost all of the corn protein, and call it "corn free". Problem is that some people still react to the trace amounts, particularly IgG allergies, where you can react to parts other than the protein. Call and ask where their C and E are derived from - odds are it's corn and soy respectively. If not, there are a bunch of people in this forum that would like to know about a true corn/soy free multi!
post #11 of 27
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Okay, still trying to wrap my brain around everything. Very grateful for your direction. If you say you wouln't do the urine test than that actually offers me some relief, I don't want to put him through more testing. I agree that he probably has methyation issues, it just didn't sit right with me. He just is SO sensitive. I'm grateful every day that we caught onto his sensitivities as early as we did but he still is delayed in language (though catching up) and with things like schizophrenia in our family plus the risk he's already at for autoimmune disorders etc I am focused every day on getting his health in check. Behaviorly he is doing amazingly, we had him evaluated 7 months ago and he was not put on the spectrum but they said he did have some traits of autism like scripting, those traits have dwindled down to hardly seeing them at all anymore. I attribute that to gut healing (which we started 8 months ago) and time.

There are some allergies in our families but nothing like Jack's. My husband is allergic to dust mites for instance, and my father is allergic to mold. I don't have any allergies and am a "healthy" person. No major health issues that I know of. I'm currently nursing my 21 month old and he has no allergies or issues. I did do things differently by eating a clean diet throughout pregnancy and cut allergens before giving birth and continued to not eat allergens for nine months and then we had him tested and I expanded my diet. I'm confident there are several factors that contributed to Jack being so sensitive. I used antibiotics once while I was pregnant and ate crap when I felt like it. I also think his gut damage was multifaceted and maybe having a leaky gut is what contributed to this heavy metal load? And then detox pathway issues didn't help. I don't know......too many "why" questions in my head at all times. Have to focus on what to do now.

I was just considering getting him more vitamin d (was reading that everyone is deficient) so maybe I will get that going this week. I'm seeing my naturopath on Wed so I will ask about dmsa and other gently chelation methods. Will be reading as much as motherly possible until then. THANK YOU FOR HELPING TO EDUCATE ME!!

Oh and the amino acids he takes are L-glutamine and N-Acetylglucosamine. They're in a supplement by THORNE called PermaClear. Any opinions on that??
post #12 of 27
On DMSA - it can be used to chelate gently or very ungently - the key is low dose and frequency, IMO (Andy Cutler's approach). Most docs of any flavor tend to favor the "ungentle" methods.

I hear you on the urgency - my son is autistic. I can only imagine what I'd be dealing with if he were also vaxed, antibiotic'ed, or I hadn't started so early on the nutrients and food issues. But like you said, we can only start from here!
post #13 of 27
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I had a middle of the night epiphany. When Jack was three weeks old and his allergy symptoms begain (colicky screaming, liquid bloody diarrhea, constant spitting up) our pediatrician told me it was GERD and to give him mylanta. I went home and researched GERD and poked around some message boards where I was told to use mylanta supreme (where was I? taco bell?!?) because the regular mylanta contained aluminum. That should have been my cue to get a second opinion but I was so scared and my baby was suffering. So for the next 1 to 2 weeks we gave him tiny doses of liquid mylanta. Who knows what was in there and what was leaking through his gut and into his brain. Oh the mama guilt. I then listened to my intuition and got on google and cut dairy from my diet, a week later....normal baby again. Of course I figured out the allergies one by one, taking out egg got rid of his eczema, taking out wheat (then gluten) got rid of his nagging rashes, etc. I also have a few tattoos which can be mercury sources from what I read. And I've eaten a fair amount of seafood (sushi mostly) in my day. As for the copper, we do have copper pipes and I'm wondering if copper in the bath water alone could make his hair show as high in copper, same with mag since he bathes in salts all the time.

What type of vitamin d (d3?) supps do you give your kiddos? I think I saw that nordic naturals makes one. Right now I'm giving him the Nordic Naturals Children's DHA cod liver oil soft gels, he gets 4 daily. Wondering if I should look for a zinc supp since his multi doesn't include much and I don't always get a full dose of his multi down him. Off to read more on chelating! Scared to start looking at side affects but need to know.
post #14 of 27
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Here's the vit d supp I saw, it's in an olive oil base.

http://www.ourkidsasd.com/products/v...dic%20Naturals
post #15 of 27
Let go the guilt. Some of our kids are fragile - and if you hadn't figured out your son's issues so early, and worked so hard, he'd be in a far less healthy place than he is now.

For copper, you can pay about $20/mineral and get your water tested by a local lab. I'd test for copper, arsenic (commonly a problem in water), and lead if your house was built before 1975 or so. Copper in the bathwater could contaminate, but if he's drinking that water, it's a lot more likely it's a source of excess copper for him.

We do Epsom salts baths, but high hair mag often means low body mag (it's a confusing one!). With high antimony and arsenic, definitely keep up the mag supps, he'll need them.

If some of his high minerals are due to external contamination or high supps, then he may not have mercury issues. But given the metals issues he does have, you'd likely be looking for a low risk chelation protocol anyhow - mercury or not. So it probably doesn't change next steps a whole lot.

Easy, low and slow, Cutler like chelation actually was pretty good for us - Cutler doesn't want you seeing tons of side effects, that means you're going too fast and hard. You probably have some idea of the symptoms you'll see based on how he was acting/reacting before you started your current supps.

Which Lee Silsby multi is your son taking? I can go look at the quantities of different vites if you like.
post #16 of 27
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Thank you so much. And thank you for addressing the guilt, I'm working so hard to not dwell on it. And talking with other mamas of sensitive/fragile babes helps, I know you're coming from a similar place. TY.

Here's the multi vitamin I chose for it's simplicity. And we were giving him a liquid B12 until our naturopathic dr did a blood test for B12 and said his levels were fine. I'm open to other suggestions on multi vitamins FOR SURE. I feel like I'm guessing a lot of the time.

http://www.ourkidsasd.com/products/m...)-Lee%20Silsby
post #17 of 27
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Oh and you should hear me while the boys are bathing "spit that out, dont drink the water!!" etc etc.....I'm like a drill sargeant and he gets the idea but still tries to sneak some and when he was much younger I'm pretty sure he chugged it without my notice. Our house was buit in 1988 but we do live in San Diego and our tap is nasty. We have a reverse osmosis for drinking water, the bath water sometimes smells chlorine-ish to me. I'm hyper aware of chemical smells etc, most probably wouldn't notice it or are used to it.
post #18 of 27
That multi has plenty of zinc (I give my guy 10mg a day, 15 when he was deficient, the multi has 30 - if he tolerates 30, stick with that). It lacks B vites, as you know, and with metals toxicity, those are really important. And not enough D, so I'd add to that.

And I believe you aren't low on B12 in your blood until you are insanely deficient (so I'm not sure your naturopath is giving you the world's best advice here). I'd get back on a sublingual/spray form of B12, try to add some B complex as well. My guy will swallow small capsules (#3 size, we started with #5 size kitten capsules). You might try that with your DS - it's a lot easier to get vites in them that way.

Also, spread out the supps you give him into 3-4 doses a day - they absorb more that way, and get more steady levels in their bloodstream (which will be particularly important if you start chelating).
post #19 of 27
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Good to know on the zinc. Maybe we should switch to the same multi but with the b's added and also add back a B12. Here's the Lee Silsby w/bs.

http://www.ourkidsasd.com/products/m...)-Lee%20Silsby

or we could try a kirkman one like this

http://www.ourkidsasd.com/products/m...Kirkman%20Labs

I'd love to get him swallowing capsules but I don't think we're there yet...he's a gagger. He will down just about anything I add to juice though!

What multi do you use?
post #20 of 27
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And I will start spreading the dose out.
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