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I have lurked on this forum for quite awhile. I don't post, because I never introduced myself. I never introduced myself because I kept waiting for answers. Then the story got so long I couldn't bring it all together to type out. But 2boyzmama (a friend IRL) convinced me to write down what I could and join in. So here goes...

I'm Jamie, a La Leche League Leader and a stay at home mom to 3 boys
Ryan turned 5 a month ago
Luke is 2
and
Henry is 9 months

Ryan has been diagnosed with SPD and is being monitored for ADHD and/or Asperger's. Luke is developmentally delayed in all areas except gross motor, although our focus has been speech. He is also being monitored for an ASD. Henry is an incredibly high needs baby. He cries unless being held with direct interaction, and he doesn't sleep well at all. I always say that he thinks he is an only child.

At Ryan's 3 year old well check we talked to the ped about how hyper he was, couldn't sit still etc. She said it was in the realm of normal at that age. Things got worse throughout that year.
Things that you would expect to be getting better were getting worse. He could not sit still. Did not follow directions, was very impulsive. Was afraid to swing or climb. Freaked out at bath time and if someone tried to turn him upside down. Was licking and chewing inappropriate things. The list went on and on. That fall we started attending a homeschool co-op one day a week. He could not handle it. He just completely shut down. Could not participate. He basically sat at his desk and looked down. So completely opposite of the bouncing off the wall kid we knew. I pulled him out after a couple of months. I started researching things and was pretty sure it was Sensory Processing Disorder. He had 75% of the checklist. Looking back I saw red flags since he was a baby. At his 4 year check up I brought up my concerns with his ped and she agreed that something seemed not right. She referred us to a developmental ped. It took 6 months to get the appointment. That summer things got even worse. He started refusing to wear clothing his size. He wanted everything small and tight. He wore things at least a size too small. He even squeezed in to his newborn brothers 0-3 month clothing. He would refuse to change clothes and wear the same thing day after day. His behavior continued to deteriorate. We saw the Dev. Ped in Aug 09. She was wonderful. She listened to all of my concerns. She diagnosed him with Sensory Processing Disorder and is monitoring him for Asperger's and ADHD. She referred him to Occupational Therapy to help with the SPD. She also suggested we enroll him in the school district special services preschool which he started in October. He has actually done fine there. He is a lot more reserved then he is at home, but his teacher thinks he is doing fine. We started the OT in October and have not seen a big change. We did the Brushing Protocol right away which did solve the clothing issue (although they are starting to creep back now). Other than that though the behaviors are just as bad as before. We just started listening therapy and it hasn't done too much. In Feb I took him to a clinic in the area that diagnoses ADHD and neuro disorders. They meet with the kids and do actual testing. The Psych there does not think he has ADHD, and said it was too early to diagnose Asperger's. He said he is of superior intelligence and very gifted and thinks his issues may stem from that. He recommended not to put him in public school. He didn't think he would thrive or flourish in that environment. He highly recommended a Montessori school, which we are looking in to now. I'm torn because we had always planned on homeschooling. I do love Montessori philosophy, but I'm not sure if we can afford it. He had a 6 month follow up with the Developmental Ped in Feb. We talked more about his behavior and she was more concerned so she referred us to Children's Psychology that specializes in neuro issues. That appointment is in April.

I started worrying about Luke when he was around a year old. The first issue was he was not talking. He had started babbling dada, bubba, mama around 7 months or so, but at 12 months he had lost all that and had no words. He also was not waving, clapping, pointing or gesturing at all. I talked to the ped at his 12 month well check and they said it was no concern and to wait. I did. At 15 months he had 1 word - eat. Still no gestures. We had been signing with him since about 6 months and he had 1 sign - all done. The ped still said wait. I did. At 18 months he had 3 words. Ped said wait. I was getting really uncomfortable with it, but I did. I mentioned it at Ryan's Dev Ped appointment (Luke was 20 months) and she urged me to call Early Intervention right away. So, I self referred him to EI. They came out to our house about a month later and did a full evaluation in all areas. They found him to be delayed in all areas except gross motor. We started going to a special parent & toddler class once a week in October 09. They wanted him evaluated by the OT to check for sensory issues. I had never really thought about him having any sensory problems, because I was so deep in it with Ryan. They did testing on him and he was off the charts for sensory as well. We were also having horrible behavior problems with him. He cried 90% of the day. He was attacking kids and adults for no reason. They would be no where near him and he would just run up and hit them or throw something at them. If they cried or ran away he would continue doing it. The only time he showed joy was if he was doing he perceived was bad. He has to have everything done just right and everything has to be in its place or he cannot function. EI recommended he be evaluted for an Autism Spectrum Disorder due to the language, behavior and sensory issues. I talked to the Ped and they referred us to Developmental Peds. I also scheduled him an appointment at the Clinic at the same time I took Ryan in Feb. He was a little too young for their testing, but they went over his history and did what they could. They found him to be at around a 15-18 month level. All they could advise was to ensure we kept checking to make sure he was progressing. I did not feel like the EI program was doing enough for his development, so I started him in private speech therapy as well in January. He had his developmental Ped appointment earlier this month. She showed concern and administered some tests. She said she would score them and let me know the results and decide where to go from there. I have not heard back, so I need to call and see what is going on. He currently has about 50 words. He did start pointing at around 2 years old, but He still does not clap or wave. He does not pick up signs, so I have pretty much given up on them.

There is so much more to type, but I have a hard time remembering all the details and being able to put them down coherently.
Every day is a struggle with both of them. I cannot wait to find out if there is something identifiably wrong so that I can at least feel like we have some sort of answer.
post #2 of 9
Jamie: I didn't see any mention of it in your post on Ryan. But, has anyone done a sleep study on him? When we were having the hyper issues with Nathan, we did some research on all his symptoms (snoring, seems tired during the day, hyper, ADHD like symptoms) and one of the first things that popped up dealt with sleep disorders, specifically sleep apnea in his case because of the snoring and we did eventually find out he would stop breathing while sleeping (at least DD2's c/s resulted in something good for one of our other kids).

Also, doing some research on what we are dealing with right now, I came across a special scholarship for ASD students. Here is a general link....

http://www.scohio.org/SCO_learnAbout.html#Autism
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We have not done a sleep study. I do know that he sleeps very fitfully and is all over the place while sleeping. I pretty much can't sleep at all when he is in my bed. He has a 5 year well check this week. I will mention it then.

I know about the ASD scholarship. I don't know that we will have any answers by then. I'm hoping the Psychologist will have more to say though.
post #4 of 9
Hi Jamie!

Ian was asking about Ryan at 3am...it was really weird, I woke up to find Ian standing next to the bed and I said "what's wrong?" He said "When do I get to go play at Ryan's house again?" Very cute
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That is so cute (although at 3 am you prob didn't think so lol). Once we get this place put back together you guys can come over. Ryan is always saying we should go to Ian's house. I try to explain to him that you can't just invite yourself to someone elses house, but he doesn't get it. Funny how everyones house always seems better than your own.
post #7 of 9
We have sensory issues here, and I've found that certain foods that DS is sensitive and/or allergic to cause an increase in his sensory problems. Sometimes the most I can tell on a certain food is that it seems to cause the sensory issues. I think that my DS has got only so much capability to tolerate sensory things. So, if there's a food he's in the least bit sensitive to, even a small reaction takes away some of his ability to manage other things...like sensory input. We've only figured out his foods by trial and error. This is reasonably easy for us because food texture is one of his key sensory problem areas. He's already pretty limited in what he'll eat. And we try to introduce only one new thing at a time to see if there's a reaction.

We also consider the problems he has sleeping similarly. When he's having trouble with sensory input, he's also having trouble sleeping.
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Thanks Kim. We have considered trying to track down food sensitivites, but have not taken the plunge yet.
post #9 of 9
Hi there Jamie,

I like you am new to this site and have just posted. My son Lucas is 12 yrs old, and also highly intelligent, but extremely willful. He is a complete perfectionist, i have lost count of the screwed up pieces of art that have been thrown across the room because he can't get it quite right. Our problem has been that our family issues have overshadowed everything else and I seem to be the only person that sees there is a problem and I can't get him assessed. At school he is very reserved, well behaved and the only other person that has seen this behaviour is a close friend of mine (who's son has recently been diagnosed with AS, her son was well behaved at home, but kicked off at school) and his childminder when he was younger.

I personally think he displays this behaviour at home because it is the only place where he feels safe to do it.

In my post I realise that our family issues do sound pretty horrific and I understand why I have been recommended to attend parenting classes, but nothing seems to work - reward charts and normal discipline just don't cut it - he outsmarts me everytime.

After reading several posts, I have started recalling things from his early childhood. He was late walking, quite happy with bum shuffling and crawling
for a good couple of years, he was also very happy sat in his pushchair watching the world aroung instead of taking part. In my post I mentioned about our bonding issues, but I do remember the first hug and kiss from my son at around 5 yrs old. It was around this age that he began to empathise with others and realised that his temper tantrums did affect others.

Now at 12 yrs old his temper has improved greatly, he no longer hits me or his brother, and the trashing of his room has stopped (I still haven't repaired the holes in the plaster in his room or re-hung the many times slammed door) as when he does get angry and frustrated he takes it out on inanimate things - but once again this only happens at home.

I just wish that things could have been recognised when he was younger, as I think reward charts for cleaning teeth, brushing hair, washing, going to bed are a bit late at 12yrs old and it's not doing his self-esteem much good. I do worry that he is internalising things and starting to dislike himself, which makes me feel like crying, because he is such a beautiful, talented and loving boy.
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