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7 year old with a serious attitude...

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
to frame the problem...
we met with my 7 year old boy's school principal about 2 weeks ago. the principal said that every single day, a different teacher comes up to him to mention the interaction that they had with my son. He refuses to recognise the authority of anyone in the school and is extremely dismissive of teachers and students alike. he'll actually hold up his hand, "talk to the hand" style, and walk away. in a small scale example of his behaviour, his teacher was telling the class about blackbeard the pirate, and said that he was born in 1682. DS's hand shot up and he took out his pirate book, and full of attitude, he brought it up in front of the class and corrected his teacher that the pirate was born in 1680. kind of funny, yes, but imagine dealing with that as his teacher, on a daily basis... he flies off the handle in a moment with the kids and picks fights - usually just shouting matches, where he's red and hollering 2 inches from someone's face - occasionally the fights are physical as well. he's clearly miserable. he is lucky enough to have one very close friend at school - otherwise, he seems to be caught in a social trap of his own making.
it's the same at home. we can't get through an afternoon, much less a day, without him flying off the handle about something. he generally doesn't respond to the first 5 requests that he do anything at all, and when he does finally respond it's with shouting, attitude, and feeling persecuted. he has developed a hearty chip on his shoulder and a persecution complex. it's a conspiracy against him at home and at school. he lies freely to get himself out of trouble, and never, ever backs down from a lie.
he's smart, which is almost certainly part of the problem (he's in an language immersion school, and speaks and reads at high levels, good in maths etc. he's in whichever advanced classes the school has, but socially he's fairly clueless). he's always understood how to interact with adults better than children. in the past, the only way i've gotten him to change any behaviour (and believe me, there's been a struggle on every front, from meals to bed to baths to leaving the house to whatever, every single day) is by taking him out of the situation of normal life and having a frank, respectful discussion with him. this stopped working about 9 months ago, when his attitude problems intensified.
i think i've tried everything - positive reinforcement, punitive measures of taking away privileges, goals to work toward, many many tactics.. i'm feeling at the end of my tether and my son is feeling like he's got a bad life. we're considering professional help because we're clueless as to how to make him feel and behave better. any advice would be welcome!!!
post #2 of 8
I think in your shoes I would go for the professional help. It sounds like you have done everything you know how, and the problems at both home and school need addressing. Off hand, it sounds like your son is gifted which can go hand in hand with various social issues and problems at school. I think that is true even more so that you used to be able to reason with him out of context about his behavior in the past.

My only other thought would be to look hard at his diet, health and allergies. Physically feeling badly can also lead to a child feeling out of control and acting angry and difficult.
post #3 of 8
I would look at his diet as well. If it's high in refined sugar, white flour and processed foods that will definitely have an effect.

Other than that, I would look to professional help. He has many years ahead of him in school that he needs to be able to cooperate with many different people and perhaps a psychologist can help him find the tools to do so. Good luck!
post #4 of 8
Hm. Yeah, it may be professional help might work. I don't know what discipline techniques you use at home, but you might reexamine them and see what might have to change. He might have sensory processing disorder, or a learning disability. Or perhaps Asperger's? I'm not a doctor of course, just thinking of issues. Have you looked at non-violent communication? Wouldn't work at school probably though. The book "The Explosive Child" might be of help.
post #5 of 8
If it was just the correcting the teacher thing I would say it isn't a big deal, but if it sounds like he is picking fights with teachers and students and none of you are sure how to get through to him. Maybe he is miserable, though it sounds like he is making other people more miserable with his violence, but it could also be that he feels entitled to have his way even if that means using violence on other children or ignoring you then yelling to have it. I think that if all of you are out of ideas then it is time to pull in professional help. Ask around for a counselor or psychologist (not psychiatrist if you want to avoid medicine) who can help him learn to manage his behavior better and you learn how to gently help him.

It may also help to sit down with him at a time when he is calm and tell him what you have been noticed and been told then invite him to talk to you about why he thinks he is doing these things, what his plan is to stop, and how you can help him follow through with this plan.
post #6 of 8
I recommend finding a developmental pediatrician. Read up on Asperger's and sensory processing disorder. Your son sounds a lot like my 7 year old who has high-functioning autism/ Asperger's, sensory processing disorder, and ADHD.

Good luck!
post #7 of 8
Sounds a lot like Asperger's to me too- the interacting better with adults than kids, not recognizing the social 'authority' of others, not recognizing when it's OK to contradict someone and when not, difficulty in seeing others' perspective.

Another good book to try is: The Challenging Child by Stanley Greenspan. I believe he's got a chapter on the Defiant Child which might help you. I don't know if you can get a copy in Ireland, since he's a US author, but I'd try.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
thank you all who replied... i've been out of town so wasn't able to check back. i'll check those books out, and ask around for recommendations for a pediatrician and/or psychologist. good to have a little validation and a possible route out.... thx
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