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The language/literacy gifted child & learning to read early (in a Waldorfy family!)

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We believe strongly in young children playing and learning experientially--with no academics or overt learning toys. DS is about to turn 3 and has had no TV, video, computer (save a tiny bit of Little Bear when he's sick--only started recently and very, very rare), no electronic toys of any type, but especially no "learning" toys with letters, numbers, etc. We don't even read the kind of books that have a word or two per page with the thing pictured--or "counting" books. But we do read story books and poems every day and have since DS was born, especially Mother Goose, Milne's Winnie the Pooh, and Elsa Beskow books.

DS started talking before 1, was speaking in complete (and complex, gramatically correct) 10+ word sentences before 2, and now at 3 speaks like a 5 year old (well, in some ways more correctly then many adults!) He corrects my grammar occasionally. Language is this kid's thing. His birth chart is all about being an orator and speaking to the masses someday. I know its his path.

So in the last few months he's been pointing out and coming up with rhyme pairs (all day long), telling original stories, asking what every word says, asking what letter each word starts with (though he hardly knows what letters are due to minimal exposure), playing with phenomes. I can't say we don't participate at all (we answer his questions), but we don't initiate nor do we prolong these 'lessons'. If he asks "what word is that", we say 'that says "carrot"' then talk about carrots--picking them, eating them, etc. No "This is a "c" and it says "kuh", etc.

But he's just going further and further every day. I really believe he's in the early stages of so-called "teaching himself" to read (I say it that way because I believe a child needs some form of instruction, even if just my short little answers to his questions). I am not about to rid our house of all print and put blinders on him when we go out. Nor do I want to ignore or totally deflect his questions.

My concern is that we'll be skipping all the great ways Waldorf uses to teach the letters, writing, and then reading. He doesn't care for drawing or painting much, if he learns to read "on his own" it will be spelling in his head/out loud first, reading words second, and writing much later--I would guess. As it is going now, he's also just getting a random smattering of info in a total "unschooly" (which is fine with me) but not terrible holistic way, and I am not comfortable with that--but the Waldorfer in me just feels so uncomfortable with the idea of sitting him down at barely 3 to draw letters (if he even could!). I also am concerned about all the myriad reasons Waldorf, the Moore's Charlotte Mason, etc give for holding off on intellectual and academic pursuits--I believe it all! The mom-of-a-likely-gifted kid, however, realizes that he is not the average kid that is not ready to read until 7 and I am going to have to address this in some fashion soon.

I'd love to hear thoughts on this topic. I am also going to cross-post in the Waldorf forum. I'd post it in the gifted forum, but I'm a bit of an anomaly over there for holding off on academics given a precocious child's interest and ability.

Thanks to all!
post #2 of 8
I see where you are coming from but in the meantime, reality is you have a very bright inquisitive little guy and IMO you are teaching him in a holistic way. You are answering his questions but not pushing him in any way....what's not holistic about that! I think you are doing a great job in meeting him where he is!
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My first thought is that you don't need to tie the idea of reading to writing. If he is ready to read, and I agree, it sounds like he might be, he still might not be reading for writing, because the physical requirements are totally different.

I also don't think Charlotte Mason would have a problem with introducing things like letters to an interested child. It doesn't have to mean formal lessons, there are some really good and enjoyable alphabet books out there, that are enjoyable in their own right, not because they are educational. My two year old loves one called "Peek-a-Little-Boo, by Sheree Fitch, which has a little poem to go with each letter. She also loves the fridge letters that belong to her older sister.

In any case, I think the thing is to feel out your kids - don't let a particular philosophy stop you from doing what makes sense for your child. Some kids may do something at an earlier age, and then spend more time playing or something else they seemed to skip later.
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We do not come from a Waldorf perspective, but we were completely free from electronic media when the girls were small. My oldest didn't watch television, play video games, or any of that until after she turned five, and then, in a very limited way. The most "educational" toys we had were some magnetic letters, many of which got eaten by the dogs. Dd1 still read fluently just after her third birthday. We did not teach her in any kind of formal way, just answered her questions. Some kids are just wired that way. She is a kind, nature-oriented kid who loves to pretend (rather more than most almost eight year olds). She can also polish off most novels in an hour or two. It's just the way she is.
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Originally Posted by Holiztic View Post
I'd post it in the gifted forum, but I'm a bit of an anomaly over there for holding off on academics given a precocious child's interest and ability.
Ha! You can't hide from us. But seriously, it's not like we're all pro-early-academics over there. (And I think perhaps you are an anomaly only for having such a strict definition of "self taught" rather than for how you've chosen to raise your son.)

I wouldn't change what you're doing. He may learn to read first, or to spell first, but that won't prevent you from doing all those Waldorf letter-familiarity things later, when he's ready. My DD has been reading fluently for almost a year now (and has had sight words for at least two years), and she is just now really getting interested in learning the names and shapes of letters and figuring out how to spell and write words. Don't ask me how she's able to read words like "journey" or "invented" with ease but still needs help figuring out how to write "cat."

I don't see the problem in his learning some things now and some things later. It might not be the way ND kids do it, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong for him.
post #6 of 8
Follow the philosophy or follow the child....
Any educational philosophy will be a blueprint for many kids but not for all. Some of these kids just didn't read the book on developmental milestones.
post #7 of 8
I wanted to add that my dd1 read about three years before beginning to write.

Some of these kids really forgot to read the memo on developmental milestones.

I promise, this will all make more sense when I don't sound like the Swedish Chef any more. But, in the mean time, BORK, BORK, BORK!
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My child had two years of Waldorf kindergarten (that particular school liked to start them a little young and do two years of kindergarten), and he was wanting a lot more enrichment before it was over. He wanted a classroom with test tubes - he wanted science and creative thinking about how things work, although he didn't want letters or reading or numbers. He just wanted more juicy learning - and he wanted to explore more about how things work. What I found about Waldorf among the people I knew was that the ideas of how holistic education should work were quite often part of an experience the parents or teachers wanted, but not nearly as often what the children themselves wanted.

My son then went to a more traditionally academic, unit studies based private school for 1st grade - I winced at the extreme difference between it and the much more holistic and gentle Waldorf experience I'd hoped for - and, although he did thrive on the science, drama, and crafts it provided, it had some serious dysfunction and it didn't provide for his unique needs either, so I finally looked into homeschooling and realized it could be a perfect solution, and it turned out to be even better than I'd imagined it might be.

It's wonderful that you can provide exactly what your son wants and needs at any given time - I think you may just have to provide the Waldorfy environment you want without bowing to their schedule for what should be learned at what age - and you might even find that even the environment will mean a lot more to you than it does to him. I"m just saying that from the experience of someone who's been there/done that, and has seen a lot of friends go through it. Your son sounds like a very lucky child to have you so devotedly providing what he's craving - I think you know a lot more about what he needs than anyone else can have come up with as a general educational philosophy.

And for whatever it's worth, I don't think there will be a need to sit down and help him learn to write anytime soon - unless there's more to it than you didn't think to mention, his interest in reading doesn't necessarily mean he'll have any interest or skill in writing until much later.

Lillian
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