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help with refinancing or selling house please

post #1 of 15
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Hoping some of you might be able to advise me a bit. We are in a house we cannot really afford...we've always made our payment, but it's been a struggle and now with student loans coming due and preschool fees starting in the fall, we cannot balance our budget anymore. Knowing this, we put our house up for sale in January. We've had zero offers. We have had a lot of showings, a few multiple showings, but no offers. The problem is that we bought our house three years ago and the height of the market and paid $151,000 w/$10,000 down. We've put a lot of $ into our house and in the past six months have drained our savings completely making updates and repairs suggested by our realtor to get our home to sell. The house is listed at $154,900, and to break even (with paying closing for the buyers), we need to sell for $154,00.

Our goal is to move to a much less expensive home within walking distance of the school our son will attend (public montessori where we pay $3000/year for two years of preschool and then he goes FREE thru 8th grade). For us, this school is non-negotiable. We are 100% sending him there. The $3000 for two years is not fun at all, but public Montessori is amazing, and it's 100% worth it to us to pay for two years so he can attend free for 9 yrs.

We have one car, so ideally will be w/in walking distance, but we do have plan b if this is impossible, which involves the gparents.

Our realtor says we need to drop our house to $149,000. To do that, we need to take out a $6,000 loan just to break even. That seems so crazy to me, but may be something we need to do. Our other option (which may not be an option) is to refinance and cut all extras (home phone, netflix, newspaper, cable, etc), but I don't know that we have enough equity to refinance, and we def do not have any money to put into refinancing.

My husband is a veteran so we can get a VA loan for a new house, but our current loan is not VA, so I don't know that we can refi to a VA.

We would need to get our payment to about $800 from the current $1200.

I work from home part-time doing fundraising, outreach, etc for a non-profit and bring home between $1000 and $1200/month. DH is a professor and brings home $3000/month. If we can move, we'll be walking distance to the YMCA, library, coffee shop, etc, and I could pick up another part time job while DS is at school. We are not walking distance to anything right now.

I realize that our situation is not exactly dire, b/c we are both educated and employable and very worst case scenario, I could get a job at night somewhere to make up some extra $, but ideally we can avoid that. I have anxiety issues from a previous car accident and do not currently drive.

So long story short(er), can anyone tell me how refinancing works? We have about 7% equity in our home. And how insane is it to take out a loan to sell our house and break even if it means getting into a cheaper house in the area we want to be in (even though it's just 15 minutes from here)?

Thank you!
post #2 of 15
"Our goal is to move to a much less expensive home within walking distance of the school our son will attend (public montessori where we pay $3000/year for two years of preschool and then he goes FREE thru 8th grade)."

Wow. 1) What a wonderful opportunity for your son, I would totally do that too! 2) What a terrible, horrible policy! Is reserving the public Montessori resource for children of the middle class and up the EXPLICIT goal of your district's program, or is that just how things work out?

Sorry for the drift.... anyhow, in your shoes, I'd look into a VA refi on the the current house, and I'd get a night job to make ends meet, and I'd keep selling the house as my long-term goal. Whether you keep it on the market or take it off for awhile is up to you and your realtor.

And I'm sorry, but you are going to need to face driving again. Not being able to drive really limits your employability, and your family needs your income right now.
post #3 of 15
Your lack of equity shouldn't keep you from refinancing. We didn't have much equity in our home, and we refinanced from 6.5% to 4.5%. On a 250k loan, this cut our payment by about $350. Unless your rate is very high right now, I think it would be difficult to reduce your payment by $400 (especially if you are rolling closing costs into your loan).

IMO, 6k to walk away is a bargain, considering when you bought your house. We bought ours three years ago (and got a pretty good deal, relative to comparable sales) and would probably have to pay about 40k to sell, if we got a decent offer.

I guess I would figure out what your monthly payment on that 6k would be, and how that compares to what you would be paying over $800/mo if you refinance. For example, 6k at 7% over 5 years in about $120/month. You can probably pay that off in the third year when you are no longer paying tuition. If you can refinance for less than $920/month, it might make more sense to stay put. If not, then take the loan and walk.
post #4 of 15
When we looked at refinancing, our bank was willing to finance up to 105% of the appraised value.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks all!

Yes, one of the major things keeping us living in this area is the public Montessori...such a huge benefit. I know they work with headstart for the pre-school, not sure what that means exactly, but I would hope that for families truly unable to pay, they would not be shut out of the school.

Good to know that refinancing might be an option, but yes, even with refi, we may still need to do something else to bring in some extra income for a couple of years. And yes, I'm well aware that I need to start driving...it's a daily concern and struggle for me...and I've promised ds that I will be driving so that he does not suffer b/c of this in any way.

In full disclosure about my ignorance re anything financial, I don't even know how to start to research refinancing. Who do I call? Where do I look?

Thank you!
post #6 of 15
Refinancing is expensive, and the rates were pretty decent 6 years ago, when you bought. I don't think you'll lower your payment enough to do a lot of good with a refinance - especially when you want to move to a different location anyway. If you went from 6% to 4%, for example, you'd only save $188/month - and you would have to spend money to do it (paying for closing costs).

I agree with your realtor - drop the price under $150K. You've had people interested already, and dropping below $150 brings in a new set of people who set that as their cutoff point. Let's face it - when you sell for less, the realtor takes a cut too, so if he's suggesting you drop the price, he must feel pretty strongly that it needs to be done.

Have you started looking for houses in your preferred new neighborhood? Are you going to end up in the same boat there?
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
So helpful to hear your opinions. Yes, we've been looking in the area we want to move to. Taxes are lower and prices are lower. We're in a smallish town and want to move to the most urban area here. Not as popular here to live in the city, so not expensive. We love a home listed for $124,000, which would have been affordable if we could not lower the price on our home. We like a house listed at $117,000, and we've seen several houses between 90,000 and 120,000 that we could be happy in. So, no we will not end up in the same situation.

Very good point that we'll essentially be increasing debt by refinancing too, so not much different to just take a loan to sell, be where we want to be, and lower our overall monthly expenses.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Smithie View Post
"Our goal is to move to a much less expensive home within walking distance of the school our son will attend (public montessori where we pay $3000/year for two years of preschool and then he goes FREE thru 8th grade)."

Wow. 1) What a wonderful opportunity for your son, I would totally do that too! 2) What a terrible, horrible policy! Is reserving the public Montessori resource for children of the middle class and up the EXPLICIT goal of your district's program, or is that just how things work out?
Actually, as a public school this makes sense. At least in my school district ALL the public schools that offer preschool charge for it. It is not funded by the state as a part of public education. I know in some states preschool is a funded part of public education, but not in all of them, unfortunately.
Now I will say that $333 a month sounds like an expensive preschool to me! Is it all day or something like that?
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Not all day. It's 1/2 day 5 days a week, although we plan to just send ds 3 days at first. Same cost regardless of how many days you send them. In the end, it will be worth it to us to have the free montessori program. And true, that it does make sense that the pre-school is not free. There is a very slim chance of getting your child in if you do not use the pre-school, but the only guarantee is for those who start at 3 yrs old.
post #10 of 15
"And true, that it does make sense that the pre-school is not free. There is a very slim chance of getting your child in if you do not use the pre-school, but the only guarantee is for those who start at 3 yrs old. "

And THIS is the part that bothers me. The middle-class families who can afford the "feeder program" get guaranteed enrollment slots in a public charter school that is supposed to be free for all, with all residents of the district having an equal chance to enroll their children based on lottery, achievement tests, interviews or whatever non-financial criteria the charter school has set up.

If they ran a tuition-based preschool program, and then had a district-wide lottery for 5K with no preference given to the preschool kids, I'd have no issue.

That said, if I were in your shoes, OP, I'd be paying that 3K for preschool to get the guaranteed elementary enrollment. That's how the system works where you are, and it's your responsibility to provide your child with the best education you can manage.
post #11 of 15
I'm sorry you are going through this andI applaud you for taking the steps to make your budget fit within your new means.

But as a former teacher, I am really saddened about that charter school. Charter school is supposed to be free. They receive money from the state for every student. The money that would have gone to the public school that that child attended is then given to the charter school. The fact that they also have a preschool attached is a gimmick. It is just a way make a bunch of money because they know parents will pay it in order to guarantee a spot in the elementary school for their child. But what happens when a child in the elementary school moves? There will be a spot available but who gets it? Someone who didn't have to pay the preschool tuition? It's just not right. Sorry, I know that was way off topic but I had to say something.

I hope you sell your house soon! My only suggestion on that would be to take it off the market for at least a month and then relist it, perhaps with a new agent. Good luck
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Smithie View Post
What a terrible, horrible policy! Is reserving the public Montessori resource for children of the middle class and up the EXPLICIT goal of your district's program, or is that just how things work out?
I couldn't agree more. Charter school admission is supposed to be lottery based. How unfair!
post #13 of 15
Have you thought about loan modification under hamp or a regular one from your mortgagor?
We tried and got $200 reduction. we decided to short sale afterwards but that's a different story
If you want do modification there are few advices i can share - start early in the year, compose a hardship letter and when sending them the financial letter with expenses (they will give the form, you just fill it out) put the expences so they see you need reduction but not so that you are short on money at the end of the month. If they see that you won't afford a lesser payment, they decline. So play smart!
If they offer very little reduction, hire a lawyer to negotiate for you. i've seen this happen but when we hired a lawyer he advised us against the modification cause all the leads were indicating that our lender is not going to approve and just stretches us to pay a little more.
good luck
post #14 of 15
In your current home, can your son attend the montessori preschool? for example if you drive him there?

I am concerned about selling a $150k house you "cant really afford" to buy a $125k house, or even a $100k house. you will need a down payment for the new house... where will that come from? a huge part of the new-to-you house risk is closing costs+unexpected expenses. one broken furnace or unexpected closing cost could put you in a bad (worse) place financially.

time to get a part time job.

nak
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by chistinawc View Post
Not all day. It's 1/2 day 5 days a week, although we plan to just send ds 3 days at first. Same cost regardless of how many days you send them. In the end, it will be worth it to us to have the free montessori program. And true, that it does make sense that the pre-school is not free. There is a very slim chance of getting your child in if you do not use the pre-school, but the only guarantee is for those who start at 3 yrs old.
I am not a legal professional, but I have had two different graduate educational law classes and I question the legality of the school districts policy in this situation. School districts can't make parents send their child to preschool as a requirement for attending Kindergarten unless it free and provide to everyone. Which I know they aren't totally requiring, because you could sent you dc to another Kindergarten--but the are making it a requirement to get into this montessori program (it sound like there is a low income provision of some sort, but lots of people make too much to be eligible for Headstart that can't swing $6000 for two years of preschool). Anyway, I would be doing some research of the legality of this practice and then be on the telephone talking to either the district administrator or the assistant district administrator in charge of this preschool.
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