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Is it me? It could be me. My 13yo dd and her anger....

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I am a mom who is parenting w/o a "roadmap" IOW-I grew up w/horrible role models. This is especially true of my teen years. About the only interaction I had w/ my own mother was when I objected to one of her boyfriends coming over/moving in, or I dared to complain about me being the one to mostly raise my 10 yrs younger sister. Those comments were always met with a hard slap across the face. Things got so bad, that I moved out during my senior year of high school, to protect myself.

My internal rule of thumb for parenting my dc has always been to do the opposite of what my mom would have done. So far, even with two 2E dc, I thought I was doing fairly well.

Since the start of March, she has an attitude that is downright scary! The horrible venom that can come from her is hurtful, scary, and beyond frustrating. Here is the most recent example.....

Later yesterday afternoon I went for a bike ride. Before I went I told both dc to clean up the yard(they'd been doing chores and playing with friends and had dragged lots of stuff out of the garage).I also told them to be showered and ready by 6 for church, so that when I returned home I would be able to hop in the shower and get ready too, so we wouldn't be late. (Church starts at 7.) Dh was watchign the Masters,had just showered and was throwing dinner in the dutch oven when I was leaving for my ride. He knew what I had talked to the dc about.

I arrive home and see that dd has dirt smeared here and there-I reminded her of what we had talked about-and she replied she was going to spot wash, and the bathroom would be free for me.

And we're off to church, only slightly late.

I talk with my bff after church, while dh takes the dc to the coffee house. It turns to a very emotional conversation, and we talk too long. Hug, kiss, and off to find our families.

Dd sees me and gives me an embarrassingly dirty look. This is something she's NEVER done in public. At home, yes, and we immediately call her on it.
She is beyond furious, and tells me to not talk to her. I give a heartfelt apology to each of them. DD is very upset, crying and going on and on about how hungry she is. She tells me to "save it." (meaning my apology) Dh calls her on her rudeness. We are now back in the car, and she starts yelling about how hungry she is and how I have ruined dinner for everyone. Dh tells her she can express herself respectfully or be quiet, adds that I have not ruined dinner, we will be home in five minutes, and can she please be more patient. I apologize to everyone again, including how sorry I am that dd is so hungry, and announce that I am praying dinner isn't ruined.

She doesn't stop. She starts crying about how she is shaky and her stomach hurts, and snaps at ds. Dh tells her he is sorry, he's getting us home as safely and quickly as possible. She continues on. He says to be quiet all the way home or she will eat her dinner in her room. She yells fine that it isn't okay for her to tell her own parents how hungry she is. Dh warns her not to say another word, and says to her that it is the way she is expressing herself that is inappropraite, rude, and disrespectful. She cries the rest of the way home.

Out of the driveway, she slams the cardoor shut, stomps into the kitchen, picks the lid off of our *super* nice dutch oven, slams it down and screams she hopes I'm happy that yes I did ruin dinner. She runs to her room, is crying and yelling and her anger is directed at me.

Dh( almost always calm, cool, collected) yells at her to just cool it, pull herself together, and then come down to dinner as it was not ruined and was about to be served.

She comes flying down the stairs, storms into kitchen, gets out a box of Annies, and starts to fix it! Holy smokes, I thought both dh and I would each blow a gasket!

I have lots of issues I am dealing with in counseling at the moment, so I leave the kitchen. Dh says very calmly for her to knock it off, put the Annie's and pan away, and sit on the couch as her plate was ab out ready.

Ds meanwhile, comes running to me, shaking, and clearly upset. I am now very but I know my primary emotion is frustration!! Who is this dd that I nursed for 4+ yrs, slept with for 6 yrs, never spanked, spent lots of nights awake with her as she worked through anxiety and panic disorder issues, and homeschool?? Sweet girl turned monster??

Does she apologize? yes, she does, but it is said w/o much emotion and not at all convincing.

There's more issues, but I'll stop here for you to ask questions(or not) and listen to what you see(hear) or don't.

So sorry for rambling...

tia!!!
post #2 of 13
Do not underestimate the power of horomones, and don't take it personally. The year I was thirteen I turned into a monster...I was sooooo mean to my mother, but only my mother, probably because I knew it was safe. I am a very gentle person usually, but I physically attaked her that year. It was like I could not control myself.

What she finally figured out to do is to just let that negitive energy go around her, because it really had nothing to do with her. I still remember her patience that year and am astounded...because she is not a patient person. She learned to not take my actions personally, and not to be embarassed by them as they reflected badly on nobody but me.

In the interium I have become a high school teacher and have taught loads of 14 year olds, many who are havin the same issues. By the time they are 15 it has mostly passed, and how they learn to deal with their rampaging emotions goes a long way in defining their future character.

Grit your teeth and polish up your unconditional love.

On a related note, 13 was the year that I realized I am hypoglycemic. Low blood sugar makes these emotional tantrums waaaaaay worse, so start packing snacks.
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I agree with all of the above, including the bit about blood sugar. It might be worth getting her checked out just because low blood sugar could be making it even worse and the shaking when hungry gave me a bit of a warning in your post.
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Do not underestimate the power of horomones, and don't take it personally. The year I was thirteen I turned into a monster...I was sooooo mean to my mother, but only my mother, probably because I knew it was safe. I am a very gentle person usually, but I physically attaked her that year. It was like I could not control myself.

What she finally figured out to do is to just let that negitive energy go around her, because it really had nothing to do with her. I still remember her patience that year and am astounded...because she is not a patient person. She learned to not take my actions personally, and not to be embarassed by them as they reflected badly on nobody but me.

In the interium I have become a high school teacher and have taught loads of 14 year olds, many who are havin the same issues. By the time they are 15 it has mostly passed, and how they learn to deal with their rampaging emotions goes a long way in defining their future character.

Grit your teeth and polish up your unconditional love.

On a related note, 13 was the year that I realized I am hypoglycemic. Low blood sugar makes these emotional tantrums waaaaaay worse, so start packing snacks.
Thank you. Yes, she is hormonal, and I'm anolder mom, so I,too, am hormonal. I know that is playing a major role in her mood swings, I just never have seen such anger and directed at me! I am going to check the books by the Gissell (?) institute about what the teen/mom relationship looks like for this year.

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I agree with all of the above, including the bit about blood sugar. It might be worth getting her checked out just because low blood sugar could be making it even worse and the shaking when hungry gave me a bit of a warning in your post.
Thank you. Yes! We are both hypoglycemic!! She is a fiercly independent person, and asked me to stop hovering about the food thing last fall. She is supposed to have a protein/carb snack before we attend anything. I assume she ate something while I was showering, and dh doesn't pay much attention to that aspect of parenting. Perhaps I handed this responsibility to her too soon? I think I will talk to her about this, though frankly I feel like I am walking on egg shells not to upset her, and that just doesn't sit right with me.
post #5 of 13
Aww man....so sorry you had to go through that. I can relate a bit! I think you did the best you could. Here is what I might add: when you are gone for long periods of time, can she pack a snack of protein ( turkey jerky, nuts etc) and some fruit in a baggie to take with her. That takes care of the hypoglycemia part.

As far as her rage episode, have you considered homeopathy to help her? It would actually help the hypoglycemia too. I think you would see a tremendous shift in her. In the meantime, some rescue remedy in times like these for all of you!
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Aww man....so sorry you had to go through that. I can relate a bit! I think you did the best you could. Here is what I might add: when you are gone for long periods of time, can she pack a snack of protein ( turkey jerky, nuts etc) and some fruit in a baggie to take with her. That takes care of the hypoglycemia part.

As far as her rage episode, have you considered homeopathy to help her? It would actually help the hypoglycemia too. I think you would see a tremendous shift in her. In the meantime, some rescue remedy in times like these for all of you!
Thanks!
Because of her anxiety issues, she won't eat any nuts due to a breakout of hives a month ago, just after eating a homemade trail mix. It was just hugely traumatic for her. (This is even though she tested negative to nuts via RAST-she goes back in a couple of weeks for the SPT.) Since then, she also has refused to eat eggs and yogurt. Having an on-the-go protein/carb snack is very challenging-that's why I have the "eat before we leave rule." She turns up her nose about most nutrient dense foods, but I am tryyyying! I will look into the turkey jerky-NEVER thought of that!

We don't have access to a homeopathic practitioner, and I am leary of spending $ on a remedy that is not customized for her. (Does that make sense? I'm not sure I explained it as I don't have much experience with it.) But, yes, Rescue Remedy we use-but I thought it was a Flower essence? I'm honestly not sure! I just know it helps with ds's anxiety in the car, and it helped dd with her anxiety with the hives. I tried to give some to her last night, and she was too mad at me to even consider it.
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Thank you. Yes! We are both hypoglycemic!! She is a fiercly independent person, and asked me to stop hovering about the food thing last fall. She is supposed to have a protein/carb snack before we attend anything. I assume she ate something while I was showering, and dh doesn't pay much attention to that aspect of parenting. Perhaps I handed this responsibility to her too soon? I think I will talk to her about this, though frankly I feel like I am walking on egg shells not to upset her, and that just doesn't sit right with me.
I'm type 2 diabetic and am on medication for it, also I was using insulin while pregnant and breastfeeding. I'm moody, emotional and sometimes really absentminded when my blood sugar is low. By the time I'm having behavioral symptoms I need food immediately. The low blood sugar alone could be enough to cause the tantrum. Thirteen can be a very difficult age. Just like we have to deal with emotionally fragile preschoolers, teens can go through very emotionally fragile times. Sometime when your DD is feeling well and is in a calm mood have a talk about how her blood sugar can affects her moods and health and that she should check it anytime she feels weird. Also keep snacks and a glucometer with you too in case she forgets. Her saying she is shaky could mean her blood sugar was really very very low. Getting her something to eat right away would have been a much safer thing to do than to treat the situation like it was a behavior issue, instead of a health one.
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I'm type 2 diabetic and am on medication for it, also I was using insulin while pregnant and breastfeeding. I'm moody, emotional and sometimes really absentminded when my blood sugar is low. By the time I'm having behavioral symptoms I need food immediately. The low blood sugar alone could be enough to cause the tantrum. Thirteen can be a very difficult age. Just like we have to deal with emotionally fragile preschoolers, teens can go through very emotionally fragile times. Sometime when your DD is feeling well and is in a calm mood have a talk about how her blood sugar can affects her moods and health and that she should check it anytime she feels weird. Also keep snacks and a glucometer with you too in case she forgets. Her saying she is shaky could mean her blood sugar was really very very low. Getting her something to eat right away would have been a much safer thing to do than to treat the situation like it was a behavior issue, instead of a health one.
Thanks for sharing.

I can see how typing out your last sentence makes perfect sense to you, and based on what I described, it makes sense to me also. I suppose it is hard for dh and I to go right to the blood sugar issue, as she is angry every.single.day. Also, at times she will use her hunger as an excuse to treat the rest of the family horribly. Please don't get me wrong, as soon as she says she's hungry, we direct her to the kitchen, offer suggestions, offer to make her something-and it is always(and w/o exception)met with resistance as she doen't "like" what is available. It just can be so very frustrating, and because she does this, it is hard to know if she is wrongly blaming her behavior on being hungry-or using it as an excuse. As for Saturday night, I definitely think it was mostly the food-accompanied by an attitude that she is developing. Very understandable. The thought of her being so hungry that she is shaky makes me feel horrible!! So...

This AM I sat her down to let her know that I am taking over her "basic" schedule-meaning food, excercise, sleep. Last night I bought some protein snacks and foods for lunches that I know she will eat. I have set the timer today so she is on an every two and 1/2 hour schedule for eating/snacking. She has the choice each day to either walk, jog, or bike for 30 minutes. I also gave her a bedtime-she was staying up and falling asleep on the couch with dh every night-now I told her that unless we have something special going on, she is to head to bed at 9:45. She is like me in that she really needs her sleep. I dunno. To me, this seems so strict and controlling-but I figure it's worth a shot for a while just to see what is mood/attitude/anger and what is hunger/tired/needs more exercise.
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Who is this dd that I nursed for 4+ yrs, slept with for 6 yrs, never spanked, spent lots of nights awake with her as she worked through anxiety and panic disorder issues, and homeschool?? Sweet girl turned monster??
It's hard to believe, but she's the same girl. I don't have a teen, but I clearly remember being one, and I as hard as it is to realize, you just can't take her behaviour to mean she doesn't love you or appreciate all the hard work you do and did for her. She was just *mad*. And whether or not it was justified, she reacted to her overwhelming emotions and took it out on you. Remember how when she was a baby, you just took it all in and if she bit you when she nursed or punched you or had a tantrum you knew it wasn't personal? Find that place again. You are her sounding board and her anchor.

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Grit your teeth and polish up your unconditional love.


Of course, keep parenting her the way you have been. Love on her. Set those ground rules. Don't allow her to be disrespectful.

She's also probably realizing now that you are human, and make mistakes, and can embarrass her, and aren't always right. I remember when I realized my mom wasn't perfect, around that age. I was crushed and sad.

This too shall pass.
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I will look into the turkey jerky-NEVER thought of that!

We don't have access to a homeopathic practitioner, and I am leary of spending $ on a remedy that is not customized for her. (But, yes, Rescue Remedy we use-but I thought it was a Flower essence?
Yes! My kids love turkey jerky!

Rescue Remedy is a flower essence and it's made homeopathically (though not considered homeopathy). If you can't get it into her, spray it in the air or put the drops in any water she drinks. They sell mini spray bottles of it!

That wouldn't get to the root of her inner disturbance (as in, you'd haveto keep using the flower essence whereas homeopathy helps heal from the inside out)....what about reiki?
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Another issue that my be effecting your DD is that teens need more sleep, 8.5 to 9.25 hours depending on the source. Also it's biologically normal to be up later and sleep later ( http://www.sleepfoundation.org/artic...eens-and-sleep ). I read one article that showed how the characteristics of normal teen angst are also sleep deprivation symptoms.
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It's hard to believe, but she's the same girl. I don't have a teen, but I clearly remember being one, and I as hard as it is to realize, you just can't take her behaviour to mean she doesn't love you or appreciate all the hard work you do and did for her. She was just *mad*. And whether or not it was justified, she reacted to her overwhelming emotions and took it out on you. Remember how when she was a baby, you just took it all in and if she bit you when she nursed or punched you or had a tantrum you knew it wasn't personal? Find that place again. You are her sounding board and her anchor.





Of course, keep parenting her the way you have been. Love on her. Set those ground rules. Don't allow her to be disrespectful.

She's also probably realizing now that you are human, and make mistakes, and can embarrass her, and aren't always right. I remember when I realized my mom wasn't perfect, around that age. I was crushed and sad.

This too shall pass.
Your post touched something deep in me, and I'm trying to figure it out. I admit having hard time relating to teens, and I assumed that b'c dd and I had bonded so much throughout her childhood, I would be avoiding these type of scenarios. Nope, not so!

I also think I have a hard time just carrying out your advice(don't get me wrong, I see your wisdom here-it's just hard to hear) as I am so leary and protective of me being on the end of verbal and emotional abuse (baggage) and this makes it difficult for me toi distinguish whether or not she is overcontrolling the family and if I am slipping into letting her be abusive. I mean to me, going to the point where she is scaring her little brother just strikes fear in me and seems so wrong.

I do think she knows I'm not perfect. I've said forever that neither dh or I are perfect, we just do the best we can with what we have. Maybe she is really understanding it on more of an intellectual level. (?)

Much to think about. Thanks!

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Yes! My kids love turkey jerky!

Rescue Remedy is a flower essence and it's made homeopathically (though not considered homeopathy). If you can't get it into her, spray it in the air or put the drops in any water she drinks. They sell mini spray bottles of it!

That wouldn't get to the root of her inner disturbance (as in, you'd haveto keep using the flower essence whereas homeopathy helps heal from the inside out)....what about reiki?
Thanks for the clarification! Honestly,I wouldn't trust a Reiki therapist around here-unless they moved here from elsewhere.

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Another issue that my be effecting your DD is that teens need more sleep, 8.5 to 9.25 hours depending on the source. Also it's biologically normal to be up later and sleep later ( http://www.sleepfoundation.org/artic...eens-and-sleep ). I read one article that showed how the characteristics of normal teen angst are also sleep deprivation symptoms.
Her sleep has been an issue for a long time. I'm aware that teens have internal clocks that shift-and her self-regulation shows that. She would stay up till 10-11 and sleep until 11(we homeschool and I'm cool with that). Now, last night she went to bed about 9:30 and slept till 11. I'm a person who needs a good 9 hrs of sleep-rarely get it-but I need it! She is much like me in that way-she has always needed much more sleep than her friends and cousins.

Thanks for the article link, though! Sleep deprivation is similar to torture IMO! I myself don't do well w/o sleep, and can see how teens are heading off to school early (especially if they have lots of after school activities or homework) and returning home angry.

I really appreciate everyone's help!!!!!
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I can relay with you having a son who's 15 years old and when after all the effort to talk to him nicely failed I can only pray and wait for him to grow older and have family.
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