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post #41 of 51
No advice, but I feel where you are coming from, I badly want to have another baby in the future but my SO is done. He calls having children a "debt to society" and is counting the days til they are grown up and out of the house(and they are only 4 and 1!).

I hope you can get what you want (your DH is probably more reasonable than mine!). Best of luck, s
post #42 of 51
This issue really resonates with me. I and my DH struggled with this for a long time as well. I don't know if you are spiritual/religious or not, but here is my experience for what it is worth. For me, what helped was to just pray a lot (let God know how I much I would love it if He sent another sweetie for me to mother, but that I would accept what His will was) and leave it to God. We also agreed to use a form of birth control where DH has greater responsibility to avoid pregnancy since he was the one who was wanting to avoid a lot more than me. I charted and told him where I thought I was in my cycle, and then he would decide whether or not he felt it necessary to wear a condom. We did this for a couple of years, then last spring I had a weird cycle where I ovulated much earlier than expected, so we did not use a condom when we thought we were still "safe", and now we have our beautiful baby girl Marissa. DH was in complete shock at first, and took a few weeks to come to terms with it, but now he adores all 3 of his sweeties, and we ended up having a pretty easy going baby too...this one sleeps SO much better than the first two did!

I wish you all the best in whatever you decide to do.
post #43 of 51
Thread Starter 
jillmamma, I'm glad things worked out for your family. I have always felt like if we had an "accident," my husband would cope just fine. But I've never wanted to take the step someone suggested to me: tell him that I'm taking out the IUD and he's 100 percent responsible for birth control if he doesn't want another child. To me that didn't feel right. Even if I did something like that, my husband would probably either 1) avoid intimacy for fear of getting me pregnant, or 2) get a vasectomy. Neither of which I want.
post #44 of 51
skipping here from the op, so I'm not sure what's been posted...

This is a VERY common situation in marriages. Dh and I went around and around this for well over a year, in pretty much the situation you describe (though for us, it was a fourth child).

What finally helped was going to therapy. Our marriage counselor was able to talk about why were were feeling what we did, how it often plays out with other couples, and all kinds of conversations/thoughts that dh and I wouldn't have been able to access without her viewpoint and expertise.

Shortly after therapy, dh said he wanted to go ahead with it. It hasn't always been easy...sometimes he feels a little like (in tough moments) he's dragging his feet a little, but over time he's more and more enthusiastic. I'm 20 weeks pregnant, and expecting a baby in September.

The rough outline of what our therapist said (if it helps), is that men rarely understand that women feel there is another child out there for them, and that it's very possible--if they don't have that child--they will regret it the rest of their lives. Men don't get that. They just don't.

She also said that, even if a man doesn't want to have a child, he can still want to give his wife something important to her because he loves her. And really, having a child out of love (if not through self-interest) is NOT a bad thing. She said in marriages that are healthy, and that's a big qualification, that having a child that the woman wants and the man "doesn't" often ends up perfectly fine. The man/partner falls in love with the child and later on can't imagine life without them. However, if the marriage is NOT in good shape, this decision and course of action is often a big, big mistake. It makes things worse, not better.

Best of luck to you. I know it's really devastating to feel so differently about something so important. I'd never had that kind of mental and emotional division from my husband before, and it was painful.

ETA: another good thing about therapy was it really helped me understand dh's position on this. He, too, didn't want to go back to the toddler stage. Our kids were 2, almost 4, and almost 8, and he was really loving all the independence he had....time to work out, time to go golfing, time to hang out with his friends... He is a really, really involved dad, and I think the neborn periods are pretty exhausting for him.

Part of moving ahead was talking with him and with the therapist about his feelings, and not dismissing them. Rather, we discussed ways for him to maintain his independence, his "me" time, while parenting another baby. When push comes to shove, he didn't want this baby to mean another two-year backslide in all the things that make him so happy. I get that.

In a way, he was fighting for what makes him happy, and I was fighting for what would make me happy. A therapist helped us see that, if we were careful, loving, and respectful, we could do both.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma View Post

In a way, he was fighting for what makes him happy, and I was fighting for what would make me happy. A therapist helped us see that, if we were careful, loving, and respectful, we could do both.
I love this, RedOakMomma, and your whole post.
post #46 of 51
Thread Starter 
Thanks, RedOakMamma. We have been to a couple of therapy sessions. So far no breakthrough. I feel I have suggested many ways for my husband to have more free time/work time even with a third child. He just doesn't see how that could be possible. It's like a total blind spot for him. Since he's never been so inflexible and (from my perspective) unreasonable about anything else in the 17 years I've known him, part of me feels I need to accept his solid opposition to having any more children. But I do feel I would regret that forever, and that makes me feel that it would be a mistake for me to give up hope. I have no idea what to do.
post #47 of 51
Just something to throw out there, is perhaps your age causing him to be concerned about the greater risk that something might be wrong with the baby?
post #48 of 51
Thread Starter 
I think it might be more like his age that's the concern--he has said things before like, "I don't want to be changing diapers when I'm 45."

His father has Parkinson's, and I think that has made him more concerned about his own health and future.

He isn't excited about the prospect of adopting, so it's not like he would enjoy having a third child but he's worried about me being pregnant over age 40.
post #49 of 51
Sorry..didn't read the last post.
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by windsorheightsmom View Post
I am torn between two truths. One, no one should ever be pressured or badgered into having a child they don't want. And two, almost no one ever regrets having another child once that child is part of the family.
Where did you get that idea? I've seen this issue break up marriages, in both directions. DH adores dd2, but he still doesn't think having her was the best thing for our family, except in the sense that it was the best thing for my mental health.

I have no answers for you. I truly believe that on this issue, the "no" parent should always "win". But, that's not what happened with us, but our situation was very complicated, and I was obsessed, to be honest. I also didn't really try to talk him around. I just had an incredibly hard time accepting that I was done. He pretty much gave me a fourth child, because I wanted it...but it hasn't been without cost. I wouldn't say dh exactly regrets it...but if he could have had a functioning wife and three kids, he'd have much preferred it. He doesn't want to be a father of four...period. He was basically stuck between two choices he didn't like, and he chose the lesser of two evils. He still feels that way, even though he truly adores dd2, and is a loving, wonderful dad to her.

It's easy to say "the no should win". It's a lot harder to live that viewpoint.

post #51 of 51
Thread Starter 
Storm Bride, I've been thinking about your comment. I see from your signature that you suffered a terrible loss of a child, so perhaps that is the complicating factor you refer to.

Intellectually, I agree with you that the "no" parent should always "win". But just as you weren't able to accept that and give up, I don't feel able to give up hope. I am afraid that by the time I go through the grieving process and do give up, a lot of emotional distance will have opened up between me and my husband. I am feeling a lot of anger toward him right now.

You say your husband really didn't want to be a father of four, but there you are, with a dd2 he adores, and I wonder why I should even think about taking no for an answer.
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