Swaddling - Page 2

[mom-of-five]

you don't have to believe someone created you - but what a wonderful thing to think someone loved you enough to create you - instead of just plopping into your spot in the world.  Oh and don't feel you're "doing something wrong" because you don't believe in the wonderfulness of Creation, you're loved anyway - and accepted just as you are.  You might be missing something really good though.

I definitely agree with you that moms on this forum are trying as hard as they can to meet the needs of their babies, I'm a mom who did the same and am now coming alongside my 2 daughters and 2 daughters-in-law as they are becoming moms, and also remembering the experiences/joys and wanted to join in the conversation with all of you too!

I do think when we go with the natural inclinations of our little ones it does encourage independence in their development instead of holding them back or trying to stop them from doing what's natural to do something we want instead.  I have included a post with links to data, only it was "held" because I am a new member - guess you'll have to wait to see if it gets posted. 

I appreciate your boldness in offering advice to the mom asking about swaddling her 5 month old - that's exactly what I was doing as well - just another perspective.  Hopefully with all of us joining the conversation everyone learns something new and gets encouraged too!

[SilverFish]

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 

you don't have to believe someone created you - but what a wonderful thing to think someone loved you enough to create you - instead of just plopping into your spot in the world. 

haha, yeah, i'm very grateful my parents loved me enough to make me and keep me.

anyway, excess proselytizing aside, your posts do come across as being a bit condescending. just wanted to point that out as you seem to be a bit confused as to why we aren't going gaga over your pearls of wisdom.

[North_Of_60]

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 

you don't have to believe someone created you - but what a wonderful thing to think someone loved you enough to create you - instead of just plopping into your spot in the world.  Oh and don't feel you're "doing something wrong" because you don't believe in the wonderfulness of Creation, you're loved anyway - and accepted just as you are.  You might be missing something really good though.

Have you checked out the spirituality forum? Or the Christian mama's tribe? Might be a good place to start...

[mom-of-five]

Conversation amongst moms is where we learn from one another - someone "going ga-ga" over suggestions is not the goal here - sharing information from different perspectives is the goal.  Hoping you are available for hearing some new points of view.  I learn from others' conversations as well - that's why I'm joining in the Mothering forum to hear the conversations and understand what you gals are thinking.  Seeing life from a particular point of view and wanting the best for others is exactly what you gals are doing here - joining you in that :-)

[oaktreemama]

Oh and don't feel you're "doing something wrong" because you don't believe in the wonderfulness of Creation, you're loved anyway - and accepted just as you are.  You might be missing something really good though.

You post basically says, "I am here to show you the error of your ways in not believing in my brand of evangelical Christianity."

But this forum and this topic sure seems a weird and inappropriate place to do it.

[mom-of-five]

Our original thoughts on swaddling are to bring clarity to the mom with questions - and we have all shared - so hopefully she can gather all of this information and learn something new and helpful for caring for her little 5 month old - I value her conversation and hope she feels valued as well in sorting through important issues.   

north of 60 brought up the thought that she "felt she was doing something wrong" which is completely her perrogative to feel that way.  I would love for her to be entitled to her own thoughts and don't expect her to "feel" right or wrong just because someone else has another perspective and shares it.   

We're all moms - loving our little ones - yay!

[North_Of_60]

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 

I learn from others' conversations

An important lesson, not only here, but EVERYWHERE, is that not every person you speak to is a Christian and believes in the Lord. You are entitled to your beliefs, but if you hold them in a place of fact and then project them upon other people as if they should do the same, you will not learn from anyone else. I am not a Christian, so repeatedly stating that everything relates to the Lord does me no good. You need to step outside of that box and come from a place that is inclusive of ALL beliefs, not just the Christian ones.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 

The Lord created a womb to safely carry babies UNTIL they were born. 

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Right now is a good time to let them become independent in very small/natural ways - that's what the Lord intended.

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Originally Posted by Cukup 

Babies moving around and wriggling has nothing to do with the lord. That's called muscles and human biology.

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 

Of course babies wiggling and moving around has everything to do with the Lord

You can only learn from others when you acknowledge they are different from you. Repeatedly referencing the Lord when you are not sure if someone even believes in the Lord is very short sighted. If you want to believe that the "Lord" is responsible for your parenting decisions and the actions of your baby... by all means. Go for it. Just keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with you, and if your advice is 100% contingent upon religion, there is going to be a whole slough of people that are either not going to read your posts, or not find a single thing you've said useful. Just saying.

[Cukup]

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he created their little bodies in the womb  

Nah, I don't think so.

Anyway what's that got to do with swaddling?

Your comments about SIDS being hype are quite horrifying. I strongly suggest you speak to parents of kids lost to SIDS and tell them it's hype, then get back to us.

[macy]

Originally Posted by mom-of-five 
 

  I have included a post with links to data, only it was "held" because I am a new member - guess you'll have to wait to see if it gets posted. 

could you PM me this, please? i'm very interested in seeing it.

[North_Of_60]

Originally Posted by mom-of-five sorting through important issues.   

north of 60 brought up the thought that she "felt she was doing something wrong" which is completely her perrogative to feel that way.

Ha.. no. I was playing devils advocate. My kid is 5 and long past swaddling, and quite frankly, I stopped caring what people think of my parenting a long time ago. But, that is not to say that I don't recognize the slippery slope that equating all things parenting to religion can do, especially when people who are looking for advice aren't really into religion.