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frustrated with dog's allergies

post #1 of 8
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Hi everyone! I am new to the pets forum, but I frequent TTC and now Dec DDC. I have a situation with one of my dogs and am looking for advice/support/any help possible....

She is a 7 year old Great Pyranees mix who has had itchy/red/scabby skin with oily coat and bad smell since she was about 2-3 as well as frequent ear infections. She's seen 5 different vets and all of them have said it is allergies and one of them also diagnosed her hypothyroid and yeast on her skin.

So over the past 4-5 years we have tried allergy shots (prednisone), oral prednisone, antibiotic injections and oral meds, medicated shampoos, ear cleaners, ointments, skin sprays, benadryl, vitamins, thyroid medication, hypoallergenic foods (both prescripton and non), all raw meat diet, novel protein food trial, and have used monthly flea preventatives (one vet said it was a flea allergy). The ONLY thing that has improved her condition (not 100%, but SOME improvement) is the prednisone injections. So we've been giving them to her for the past few years - at first every 6-8 weeks, but in the past year it's been every 4 weeks.

Over the past 4 months or so, they've seem to lose their effectiveness. After her last shot she only had a slight improvement and that only lasted about 10 days. She scratches and chews at herself almost constantly when she is awake. She doesn't have much interest in playing and has lost some of her appetite and subsequently she is a bit underweight.

I am taking her to the vet again this afternoon. My husband and I have talked about putting her down. It would break our hearts, but we have been fighting this battle with her for years and she is just getting worse and she really seems miserable.

Allergies seem like a ridiculous reason to put a dog to sleep. It's not terminal, but I do think she is in pain... I just don't know what to do. I am hoping the vet will have some more suggestions, but I think we have tried everything. I have started to lose hope that she will ever be healthy. She is continually getting worse. How long should we let her live like this? Or is it wrong to put her down for something that isn't going to kill her anyway? I feel absolutely terrible. But living with constant itching must be torture for her
post #2 of 8
Has she been put on a low allergen diet? Z/D or hypo allergenic? Have you tried oral pred?
post #3 of 8
Is it seasonal or constant? Have you eliminated everything possible that could be irritating her (detergents, cleaners, air fresheners, etc)? Does the vet know if it's an environmental or food allergy?

When you say all raw meat diet, what did it include? Did you eliminate all treats as well?
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
The allergies are constant, not seasonal. The vets do not know if it is contact, inhalant, or food. The vets seem to think it is a combination of several different allergies. I do not think it is food. I tried 2 different types of hypoallergenic diets on two separate occasions...one was Natural Balance Duck and Potato, one was Hills Salmon and Brown Rice (I think brown rice, I'm sure about the salmon). No additional treats or any other foods given.

The raw meat diet was based on the BARF diet - mostly raw chicken leg quarters, turkey necks, and occasionally ground beef, with small portions of organ meats and raw green tripe and/or ground veggies given occasionally.

Two of the vets offered to do allergy testing, though they said it was notoriously inaccurate and 90% of the time the dogs were allergic to things that couldn't be avoided. We are still considering it.

We no longer use ANY commercial cleaners in our home (gave them all up several years ago). I clean everything in our house with vinegar, baking soda, castile soap, or steam. We have moved twice since her allergies started - once from an all-carpet home into an all-wood-floor home and now we live in a home with mostly wood floors and one carpeted room. We change air filters in our AC pretty frequently.

We have used oral pred from time to time in the past if the pred injections have worn off during a weekend or if we couldn't get to the vet right away, but it has been awhile since we've used them since we've been getting the pred injections more frequently than we used to. Could switching completely from the injections to oral make a difference? Maybe it would be easier to maintain a higher constant dose?
post #5 of 8
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Just returned from the vet trip... basically our only other option is to be referred to a specialist for the allergy testing and hypersensitization. That would cost around $600 which includes the full work-up and 6 months of treatment, but not sure what it would cost after that. The vet recommended discontinuing the pred injections since they are no longer helping and do suppress the immune system. I'm still at a loss. I don't know that I can justify spending that kind of money when there are no guarantees. We don't have much as it is and our expenses are going to be increasing dramatically with a baby on the way. I don't know what to do. This is so difficult. She is such a sweet girl, I just wish there was a miracle cure.
post #6 of 8
Has your vet done a skin scraping or a biopsy?

Honestly I heard itchy/red/scabby skin, oily coat and bad smell and immediately thought of SA (Sebaceous Adenitis). Our OES had it, but it is most commonly found in poodles and samoyeds. It is often mistaken for allergies.

Symptoms vary, but redness, flaky/scabby skin and hair loss are most common. I've also read that the dogs are often "smelly" too. The dogs can also have a secondary skin infection, as a result of all the scratching, so the infection would need to be treated first.

It was easy (and relatively cheap) to diagnose with a skin biopsy. Recommended treatment was vitamin A supplements (in large amounts) and weekly baths with oil treatments (the oil serves to loosen the scabby/scaly skin and then you shampoo the oil away).

There's lots of reading available online, or I have a fax from the vet in pdf form. PM me and I can email it to you if you'd like.
post #7 of 8
I'm surprised your vet is against the allergy testing in light of what you are going through. The skin scraping is a good idea.

I was going to suggest going with raw, but for a longer period of time (not sure how long you used it though?) and with limited proteins also. One thing with an allergic dog is that you don't want to feed any veg, grains, or supplements. I'd choose a single protein choice and stick with that for 6-8 weeks. Ideally not chicken, but allergy testing may give you some direction here.

Just a thought, has all this been with one vet, or have you gotten any second opinions?
post #8 of 8
Just wanted to add some sympathy for you. It must be incredibly frustrating to deal with every day. One of our dogs has allergies 3-4 months of the year and it's so stressful to deal with. Between all the supplements, the foot soaks, keeping her comfortable and preventing her from causing damage, yikes! I can only imagine what you're dealing with.
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