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Are there better and worse pain interventions?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Like, are narcotics preferred over epidural? or vice versa?

(in terms of affecting the baby after birth?)

What about the fact that a baby gets about 10 mins epidural during a c-section and several hours (potentially) during vaginal birth?

JUST measuring on how pain meds affect the baby, can anyone hlep with this?
post #2 of 12
In my own experience, babies born shortly after admin of narcotics tend to be a little sluggish and can possibly have decreased respiratory effort (and potentially absent respiratory effort). These will potentially cause lower apgar scores. You can see the effects of narcotics to the baby on the monitor within minutes of administration in most cases. The heart rate becomes flat as variability decreases. That is why practitioners tend to not order narcotics if birth will likely occur in less than 3-4 hours. For example, many would give this to a first time pregnant mama who is 2cm, but refuse it to a 3rd time mama who is 5cm.


To be honest (and I'm not pro-epidural! ftr, I'm not "pro" anything except true choice) I've never seen any negative effects on a baby from an epidural OTHER THAN a "post epi-dip", which is where the mother's BP drops, causing the blood flow to baby to decrease, causing decelerations and/or fetal bradycardia. This can sometimes lead to a need for other medications (terbutaline, ephedrine, etc) or even a c-section depending on the length and severity. So it is a significant risk, but if mom and baby avoid that, I've yet to see any side effects such as poor tone, poor respiratory effort, lower apgars, etc.

For a c-section, spinal anesthesia is usually used as opposed to epidural anesthesia (unless there is already a functioning epidural in place). For c-sections performed under general anesthesia, the babies are again, sluggish with a poor effort. They may also be oxygen deprived if the mother was not successfully intubated immediately.

Babies born without the use of any pain medications, overall, seem to be slightly more alert and interested in the world around them.
post #3 of 12
For the love of all that is holy, do not get the narcotics! Go directly to the epidural if you must, but skip the narcotic.

I'm not talking about effects on the baby, but on the mother. The narcotic makes you fall asleep between the contractions and wake up for them.

I was anticipating something that would take the edge off. Didn't take the edge of anything but my sanity.

(the baby was just fine, though.)
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
and how are the spinal and regular epidurals different?

i am a low blood pressure girl and nearly crashed during my 2nd c-section....they stopped the surgery and elevated my legs...the anesthesiologist probably did somthing too...i would guss low bp is something i'm likely to have.
post #5 of 12
Spinal goes in quicker, takes less time to kick in, produces a denser block, but can't be topped up. That's why it's used for surgery--you know how long that's going to take and don't need to top it up. Epidural is used for labor precisely because the block is less dense (in surgery, you don't want to feel a thing; in labor you do) and you can keep feeding anesthetic in.

There's also what's called combined spinal epidural which combines the techniques--you get a short dose of a quick acting anesthetic and then the regular epidural takes effect.

Because epidurals lower your blood pressure (sometimes a desirable side effect--epidurals can be used on women with high blood pressure for this reason) they pump you full of fluids. If you had BP issues last time I would really speak to the OB. You don't want more problems with that. Don't present it as a definite, just say you're curious because of past experience. An epidural is always a possibility--sometimes women even transfer from HB for one because it allows you to get some rest.
post #6 of 12
I had a shot of nubain to help me through a panic attack, and it worked well for that, but I wouldn't rely on it as a form of pain relief. I'd just go for the epidural if I was looking for pain relief, for the reasons stated here.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
For the love of all that is holy, do not get the narcotics! Go directly to the epidural if you must, but skip the narcotic.

I'm not talking about effects on the baby, but on the mother. The narcotic makes you fall asleep between the contractions and wake up for them.
Unfortunately for some women, yeah. Some sleep for a good 33-4 hours and some get no relief whatsoever. Some itch, some vomit, some get a hang-over like headache. Some even get psychotic--literally psychotic (very rare).

Again, I wish this is something doctors and nurses would explain to patients and let them make an informed decision based on all possible reactions.
post #8 of 12
The safest form of pain relief that I know of is the "laughing gas" (nitric oxide). It won't eliminate the pain completely, but it will take the edge off. It clears from your body very quickly after you stop breathing it, so it doesn't hang around causing problems for the baby. The only trick is that it takes a few seconds to kick in, so you need to start breathing it as soon as you feel a contraction starting, and not wait until you're at the peak.

Some home birth midwives in the UK will actually bring the gas with them, but unfortunately that's not an option in Canada.

Best of luck!
post #9 of 12
Entonox is not available at all in the US.

(Also, for every woman I know who it helped, I know one who loathed it. It would be nice to have it available in the US, but it's not going to replace epidural anytime soon.)
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
The narcotic makes you fall asleep between the contractions and wake up for them.
Had to laugh - this is what happened to me, but without any drugs. It was just exhaustion, in my case - labored all night, started pushing at 5am, pushed for four hours - by the end, I was dead asleep between contractions. Not ideal, but we got it done.
post #11 of 12
I'd say that the safest form of pain relief would be water. Whether that be a tub, a pool or a shower. Warm water is miraculous.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by micah_mae_ View Post
I'd say that the safest form of pain relief would be water. Whether that be a tub, a pool or a shower. Warm water is miraculous.

AND sterile water papules for back labor!!! I agree, water is the safest form of pain relief, and that Nitric Oxide is probably the second safest.
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