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[myjo]

Cilantro and chlorella are dangerous as they only mobilize mercury

What I've read about the chlorella and cilantro is that cilantro mobilizes the mercury and chlorella binds with it so that it can be safely eliminated. Can you give me some references so I can update my understanding of this?

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by myjo

What I've read about the chlorella and cilantro is that cilantro mobilizes the mercury and chlorella binds with it so that it can be safely eliminated. Can you give me some references so I can update my understanding of this?

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9...orella&f=false (type in chlorella in the search space on the left, if the page doesn't display where Cutler discusses the issues regarding only one thiol group in chlorella.)


Pat

[Koalamom]

Anyone know how tumeric is with metals?

[Mirzam]

Cilantro and chlorella are dangerous as they only mobilize mercury

You need to consume raw fat to bind with the cilantro. The best raw fat to do this is raw cream. So if you juice the cilantro, then it should always be consumed with raw cream.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Mirzam

You need to consume raw fat to bind with the cilantro. The best raw fat to do this is raw cream. So if you juice the cilantro, then it should always be consumed with raw cream.

Do you have a reference source? Here is one discussion. I trust Cutler. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1382163


Pat

[myjo]

Here's an article on mercury poisoning and some of the treatments used for it. It discusses both chlorella and cilantro.

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...limination.htm

This is the research I had read that led me to believe chlorella and cilantro used together could be effective. But I do agree that someone with significant mercury poisoning should only chelate under a doctor's supervision. I do know that there have been several cases of people dying during intensive intravenous chelation therapy, so care must be taken to choose your specialist wisely.

I did look at the link above but was not able to view the page (I believe it was page 90) that would have had full info about the chlorella.

I did read what he said about his belief that there is no mineral loss during chelation therapy. But I didn't see any references or studies cited. If I could get ahold of the whole book I'd probably understand better.

[WuWei]

I like Mercola. I trust Cutler.

Pat

[myjo]

Okay I finally found the part you mentioned about the thiols. What I'm getting from it is that because chlorella has only one thiol, it does not bind as tightly to mercury as substances in the two thiol group, and thus it moves mercury around, but does not necessarily shuttle it safely out of the body. But some of the statements seemed contradictory. He said that chlorella bounces mercury around more which presumably could cause more damage, but he also said that it causes it to be removed more quickly.

Is this something that he has proven through experiments or trials, or a theory based on what he knows of chemistry? Again, I know I need to read the book to understand. But I've always felt excellent on chlorella and it's hard for me to believe that it was just causing more damage, although I concede that it's a possibility.

[tanyalynn]

myjo, I have a feeling this is an important caution for people first looking into heavy metal issues. The worse a person's detox pathways are, the more nutritionally rundown they are, and the heavier their load of metals, the worse they would do with chlorella or cilantro. They just wouldn't have any extra resilience, any wiggle room for dropped metals.

For people who aren't that messed up (to describe it bluntly), or who are very knowledgeable and very careful and who probably use other nutritional supports at the same time, my best guess is that they could have good outcomes. But for the typical person who's thinking they have a heavy metal issue and wants to get started, this would be a risky way to do it.

The frequent dose chelation yahoo group is dedicated to Cutler-style chelation, frequent, low dose using some combo of dmsa, dmps and ala. Plenty of people there have had significant issues with chlorella and cilantro and the like, but the typical person on the list seems pretty significantly impaired. I lurked for a while, and while I'd say I used to be moderately mercury toxic, and it's significantly affected my life and I can see the health and behavior effects in both my kids, I was better off than half the group at least, maybe 2/3.

[myjo]

I suppose I'm not quite as mercury toxic as some. I know I do have some, but like I said I have only ever felt good on chlorella. But I agree that the caution against cilantro and chlorella are probably valid, especially for those with a significant toxic load. This is a subject I only know a little about, so I'm just looking to refine my understanding. I'll have to try to get ahold of that book by Cutler.

[tanyalynn]

If you feel better taking it, and you're not seeing worrisome trends in other ways--for me it would be depression, irritability and fatigue--that come on over time, then I'd have a hard time saying it's bad for you. I don't know enough to be sure. I mean--I cheated with gluten (I'm gfcf) last fall, and it didn't make me feel better, but the problems it caused were slow in onset, slower than they were when I first started gfcf and got gluten accidentally. But it's never made me feel better, which seems fundamentally different than what you're describing.