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can i get a harsh critique on our budget?(upd. with plan of action post 31)

post #1 of 50
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we're falling further and further behind each month. we owe money to family members who have helped us out the last two months to cover our bills. i read the budget threads all the time and i think i could trim some fat but i don't know if it's enough. we have a lot of debt from years of living on state assistance and DH schooling cost. our cards are maxed out and we can barely make the minimum payments. we don't have enough debt to file for bankruptcy but can't pay it down either. we have no savings.

DH is paid on the 15th and last day of the month approx. $1300 each pay period, $2600 a month to our main bank account. we have two other checking accounts at different banks so we can make online payments easier. we have $300 a month into one account for car and line of credit payment. $350 into the other account for DH's credit card and student loan. those both barely cover the minimum payments. i have had to tap into these and it's causing more debt in the long run since we're struggling to have enough money in them when the bills are actually due. i think this is what has triggered our recent downward spiral. if i can get a month under us where i don't touch these i think we'd be in a much better place.

DH has the maximum 401K deduction seeing as we have no retirement savings except his 401K and we're both nearing our 30's. we have dental and health insurance and have to lowest cost plan(HMO). i don't think there's anything we can do to adjust his income that would really be of much benefit to us in the long run. there are no other jobs in his field in this state and moving again(across country twice in 5 years) is not happening. he is expecting around $1500 total from a freelance job from last year. they contacted him for his mailing address over a month ago saying they had money for him. we haven't seen the check and i had DH email them asking if they had sent it yet. we are not counting on this money at all. they're know for taking forever to pay for work.

i'm currently looking for work. i have applied for about a dozen jobs in the last 3-4 months and not a single call back. i looked for places either close enough to walk to or that would pay me enough that i could pay for full time child care. at this point i'm just going to look for a summer babysitting job since my son will be out of school anyways. DH is going to pass around my info to the people at this work since our home is very conveniently located on the way to the office from where a good portion of the staff lives. i'll also be placing an ad on craigslist next week if no one responds from his work. i'm hoping to bring in a few hundred dollars, hopefully at least $400, depending on how many kids i end up watching.

the bills. i'll set this up how i usually do when i budget for the pay period.
1st though 15th-
$850 rent this is pretty good for a 3br 1ba house with solid wood floors in a wonderful neighborhood. we're sort of trapped here since we can't come up with a new security deposit or extra money for a moving truck.
$60-85 electric bill based on last years bills for the next 4 months but peaked at $95 in August.
$40-60 gas bill based on last years bills for the next 4 months.
$8 X-box monthly fee to stream Netflix and DH can game online.
$75 for car gas
=$222 for all groceries and house hold items if i expect the maximum for utilities. this is when i end up taping into our other accounts. this is barely enough to cover our food budget. we're really screwed if something pops up like an unexpected bill or extra gas for the car.

15th through last day of month-
-$231 for insurance. that covers two cars, two life insurance policies and renters insurance. we're dropping one car because it's not drivable and looking to get DH's life insurance rate dropped to the non smoker rate. he quit nearly two years ago. that should shave off $50-60 if we don't lose to much on our multiple policy discount.
$64 cable internet. there's only one other internet provider for our neighborhood and it's DSL. we could downgrade to DSL but then we risk losing our Netflix stream abilities. it would only be a $20 difference.
$200 minimum payment for my credit card
$20 minimum for a store credit card.
$75 for car gas
$10 for Netflix. it's the cheapest plan that lets us stream unlimited movies. we don't have cable nor do we want it.
$80-120 for water bill. this actually comes every other month but it's always due during the later half of the month. it will be due next month and i'll write it into my budget for the month.
=$580 left with the water bill paid. this pay period i usually hit Costco. i get things like eggs, coffee, o.j., frozen organic blueberries, 10lb bag of organic carrots, cheese and juice boxes for DS lunch which i won't need this summer. maybe a few other random things. i don't think i've spent more then $100 on food there and most of that last us the whole month. i've also have to take about $150 of this to pay back the other accounts i had to tap into in the previous pay period.
=$330 after Costco and payback of accounts. i can usually squeak by if i'm really careful and we don't need an oil change or school pictures or we need to pay a co-pay for a doctor's visit or ordering special flours for baking because we're gluten intolerant or ordering Charlie's soap....

since we're gluten intolerant we don't eat out... ever. we don't go to the movies, museums, state parks or anything that cost money like that. we don't get haircuts or buy clothes until ours are falling apart. we have not had any regular car maintenance other then oil changes and the car desperately needs some basic work. both kids and i need some dental work that would be in the thousands out of pocket. DD teeth are literally rotting out from nutritional deficiency. i haven't bought vitamins for about two months and probably won't be able to for a while.

i make nearly all our food from scratch. i think our food budget is pretty good considering what our diet is. i spend about $80 on mostly organic fruits, veggies, beans, rice, 1-2lbs of ground meat and 1-2 whole chickens at the farmers market. i'll spend up to $120 at TJ's for things like organic condiments, organic salt free tortilla chips, GF waffles, syrup, GF cereal, butter, a few organic canned items, toliet paper, dish washer soap, cat litter, dried fruits and nuts(which i make into GF granola bars). then it's another $50-75 at the regular grocery store for stuff like cat food, diapers(DD only uses them at night and is to big for any cloth i have left), filling our 5 gallon water jugs and what ever random odds and ends we might need. that's $275 at it's highest per pay period for all house hold items for 4 people and 2 cats.

i know i made some logical reasons for not cutting some cost out but i'm really open to hearing what others have to say. i tend to tunnel vision stuff like this. i need a reality check. i feel like we're drowning slowly and i can't do anything about it. we can't attack our debt until i can get through a pay period without going in the red.
post #2 of 50
quick thought - seriously reevaluate the 401k contribution. There would be some payroll tax deduction changes but the reality is, your debt is likely costing you far more than the gains he is earning in his 401k account.

By stopping, I don't mean forever, just long enough to paydown some debt/get some money in the bank.

I know you mentioned the need for dental work. Once that is taken care of, I would also look at the cost versus benefit of your dental insurance.

I have looked at many plans for our company and when it comes down to it, the cost of the insurance (in my area) equals 2 cleanings per year and 1 set of xrays. Sometimes fillings are included, sometimes it is just a reduced rate. All the plans I looked at had annual family caps of around $1,000. It doesn't take long to run up $1,000 in dental bills.

For example, the best plan in terms of coverage that I looked at cost $1,008 per year. That covered approximately $600 in preventitive services for a family of four. Any filings, extractions, etc. came out of the remaining $400 annual cap on benefits. Basically, the employee was pre-paying for the first $1,000 of dental services each year. If his family used less than the $1,000, the insurance company made money. If they used more, it cost him $1,008 for $1,000 in insurance coverage.

After all that babbling, my point is for the average person, I think dental insurance that is 100% paid by the employee is expensive in relation to the benefit it provides.

This may not be the case you you, maybe your DH has an awesome plan that costs your family just a few bucks a month. If so, ignore my dental insurance rant.
post #3 of 50
IMO, you need to cut back on the 401k. Saving for retirement is so important...but if you're spiraling into debt while doing so, you're just hurting yourself now. Get back on your feet and THEN start socking it away.
post #4 of 50
Just to clarify. You say you're falling further behind each month, but your budget leaves you with about $330 extra. Did I misunderstand?

Have you read Dave Ramsey? I am trying to remember what he says when you are falling behind and can't catch up. As I recall, he would recommend dropping the retirement funding for now, not because retirement isn't really important but if you are living on credit, the math just doesn't work (i.e. putting $300 into your retirement fund by charging $300 for groceries on the credit card... you see what I mean?). The first step is to do whatever you have to do to at least get current and stop falling behind. Sell stuff. Sell your car. Deliver pizzas. If you are indeed falling further behind each month (and not having $330 leftover like I might have misunderstood) it's time for drastic action.

I agree that you don't seem to have a big, lavish lifestyle, and you can pat yourself on the back for that. You could be in worse shape, so it was worth it.

Do you need 2 cars? Could you possibly get by with just one, at least for a couple years or even just 1 year? Netflix and video games and cable internet are not huge expenses for you, but if you are falling behind each month, even trimming $50 off will help. We borrow movies for free from our local library.

That's all I've got for now.
post #5 of 50
Definately the 401K needs to stop until you get caught up. i agree that saving for retirement is important, but if you are struggling to break even right now, you really need those funds now, not in 35 years...

Anyways, I would also recommend you follow thru on the insurance stuff, that could be a good savings there.

DSL - I just signed up for Netflicks like a month ago, and am on DSL. I've had a few slow downs, but nothing crazy, if you can save $20 a month on this cost, that would add up. Or at least call and ask for a discount, tell cable company you are considering switching to DSL because of the cost difference. Worse they can say is no, and then you could consider that switch. (I used to have cable internet and basic cable tv, but moved in Feb where that is no longer an option)

Organics - can you just get organic fruits/ veggies that are on the dirty dozen list? Maybe save a few cents with buying conventional stuff that isn't normally drenched in pesticides, etc?
post #6 of 50
NAK- sorry for the bullet points

*Cut or reduce 401K (for now)
*Cut organics
*Send DS with a water bottle instead of juice
*Cut Cosco altogether to reduce impulse spending
*Cut Gaming and Netflix subscriptions. You'll save on your electric bill here as well. Hit up the library for movies and books for entertainment.

Off topic- I'm concerned about your DD's teeth. With Health and Dental coverage I would hope you'd have access to some assistance or a nutritionist or something. Poor dental health in baby teeth can carry over to adult teeth.
post #7 of 50
Is anything missing from your budget? Just glancing at it I notice you don't have anything allocated for phone (cell or landline) or garbage (unless that's included with another utility). We've found that missing a few budget items such as car repair, gifts, co-pays can really throw off the whole thing.
post #8 of 50
I don't understand your breakdown. I hope you have cut up the credit cards, though. Also, you don't need Netflix or Xbox games.
post #9 of 50
sorry but it seems like im missing something with your budget. If you have money left over at the end of the month you shouldnt be going into debt more or is it a matter of robbing peter to pay paul and never quite catching up?

I think that you really need to sit down and literally write down every single expense down to every penny. Work on a cash system (except for bills paid online) to help keep track. Often small purchases or expenses here and there add up and thats what eats away.

like others I think that for right now you really need to re-evaluate the 401 k, netflix and xbox. Yes it $%#% but honestly if your going that much in debt per month every bit helps. You mentioned that you buy organic/farmers markets. Unless the prices are much better than conventional grogeries I would seriously consider cutting that for now just until your budget gets in order. For instance organic carrots at best I can get for about $1.50 while reg. carrots are .49 a bag. The only difference is price and them being organic it dosent seem like a big difference but added to all my groceries you can see a savings over a month period.

Health insurance: Would you or your children be eligbile for state insurance or dental? Some have the caveat that you can not have private insurance while others allow a "stipend" in place so that you continue with your current health care insurance while still seeking assistance. Definately worth looking into. I personally dont see forgoing medical services as really cost effective if in the long run they cause other problems, health wise and money wise. For example a general cleaning that could prevent decay/problems is more cost effective than saying paying out a couple hundered dollars for a dental emergency when you no longer can wait. But I understand the not having the money to do so.

Loan: you mentioned your dh has loans (sutdent loans?) would you qualify for forebearance? another option that you can look into.
post #10 of 50
Yeah, I'm a bit confused about what you actually have left each month.

I'm concerned about the dental stuff, too. And believe me, I TOTALLY understand that one. I've spent well over $10k on my teeth in the last 15 yrs. And for my son, several thousand, and also several thousand for my youngest dd. And then my middle dd...braces. So yeah, I get it. I promise I'm not being judgy, but wouldn't the $ you spend on dsl or even just the gaming pay for vitamins? Can't vitamins (if that's all she needs) be bought at Costco?

And just for the record, I agree that dental insurance is junk.
post #11 of 50
I'd cut any expensive food out. Although I don't get why your daughter's teeth are falling out if you're buying all this organic food and cooking from scratch? Sure vitamins can help, but I don't think that would be the cause of that kind of dental problems. Our state has dental insurance for kids, like medical insurance, you can apply for. Some insurance companies do this too.

I'd stop buying some of the foods you're buying. Dried fruit isn't nearly as healthy as fresh and it's way more epensive. If you're buying gluten free flour anyway, I'd make waffles from that. And shop around, you may be able to find those things cheaper elsewhere.

The xbox thing confuses me too. We pay once a year fee for $50 and get unlimited use. That's much cheaper than $8 a month. I'd cut the Netflix for awhile at least too.
post #12 of 50
Depending on how many kids you have, you may qualify for a little extra food assistance from WIC. Our income is pretty close to yours, a little less, and we have one kiddo and one on the way ( so that makes 2). I understand your devotion to organics, and we are the same way. I wouldn't ask anyone to cut back on that unless they really really had to, Its just that important to me for a million reasons. I know that paying more for food when you don't technically "have" to sounds crazy to some people, but I get it. We don't use all the coupons WIC gives us, just what we can get organic, and I figure the money we dont spend goes back into the program for others to use, so thats good. This little bit helps me cover loose ends during the pay period when we are the most stretched.

Good luck and there have been some great suggestions, so I hope they all help
post #13 of 50
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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
Do you need 2 cars? Could you possibly get by with just one, at least for a couple years or even just 1 year? Netflix and video games and cable internet are not huge expenses for you, but if you are falling behind each month, even trimming $50 off will help. We borrow movies for free from our local library.

That's all I've got for now.
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Originally Posted by woodchick View Post
NAK- sorry for the bullet points

*Cut or reduce 401K (for now)
*Cut organics
*Send DS with a water bottle instead of juice
*Cut Cosco altogether to reduce impulse spending
*Cut Gaming and Netflix subscriptions. You'll save on your electric bill here as well. Hit up the library for movies and books for entertainment.
I agree with both of these ladies.
post #14 of 50
I would cut the organic and go with reg food for now. (unless there is a sale and organic is cheaper) sometimes costco is cheaper and manytimes the reg store is cheaper w. coupons. When you switch to non-organic there are lots of coupons. I know you may not *want* to but you may have to for the time being.

Stop the 401k and use that $ to pay off debt. once the debt is paid then re-start the 401k. At the very least cut the 401k down to employer match levels.

Find out about any job for yourself and dh. If he is work 40hrs a week there are lots of other hrs both of you can work. The 2nd job does not have to be in his current industry.

Stop sending juice boxes for lunch... get a reuseable bottle and send water or buy a gallon of something and send it in smaller portions (much cheaper).

Regular car maintenance saves $$ over the long run. I usually take my car to the same Firestone for oil changes and such. They have my service records and know what needs to be done when. Not keeping up with recommended service is penny wise and pound foolish ya know?

Start a journal for the next 30 days of EVERY CENT you spend. Every bill you get, every thing you buy, cash, credit, check etc. YOu need to know where the $$ is going. You also need to make more then the min. payment on at least one CC.
post #15 of 50
Why are you buying TP, dish soap, and cat litter at TJ's? this is much cheaper at costco!

If you are going to costco they have many organic things, I've seen organic canned goods, ECOS detergent, cheap cat food, cheap diapers etc.

I think you can save $$ my choosing ONE store and sticking with it per week. Less driving saves $$ too.

TJ's is very expensive... look for alternatives!
post #16 of 50
Ok everyone else beat me to most of them.


Are all four of you gluten intolerant? Is anyone celiac or actually allergic?


GF convenience foods are WAY overpriced! If you can cut those out and do all by scratch or just eliminate some of them would help a bit.
post #17 of 50
Oh and while Costco does have more organics and luxury items....... Sam's Club's prices are much cheaper for everything else I have found. If you have a Sam's Club you might save more.
post #18 of 50
I pretty much agree with everyone else. You don't have a lavish lifestyle, and other than cutting the Netflix and going to DSL, there's not too much else. I would stop the organics and stop doing the 401 temporarily.

You need to up your income, and it sounds like you're taking steps in that direction.

Are there any dental schools anywhere near you? I would not leave your dd's dental problems to only get worse. Sometimes you can get much cheaper care at the clinics run by dental schools.
post #19 of 50
Thread Starter 
thank you so much everyone. hearing everyone say the same things over and over is great. it's giving me that extra nudge to do the things i know i need to do.

i know i have my budget set up weird. maybe that's my problem. i used to not count the money in the extra accounts as income since it would go straight into paying the bill linked to it. it's like those bills and money aren't really there until i had to start tapping into it. those accounts also have to lowest interest rate and i was trying to snow ball the store credit card into my credit card first. you guys are right that on paper it looks like we have money left over. in reality it this
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it a matter of robbing peter to pay paul and never quite catching up?
we got behind in Dec when we had $150 in dental fees after doing extremely light Christmas shopping. the next month we paid for a mold inspection on our rental home because the land lord wasn't taking us seriously. they've since done a lot to fix the issues with the house. then DS's tooth broke and i had to pay $200 for that. we've also had at least one doctor's visit($25-35) each pay period for DH, DS and i since January. i didn't put those in the budget i posted seeing as i don't expect any more appointments at the moment.

i didn't leave anything out that occurs on a monthly basis. our cell phones are covered by FIL since he works for a cell phone company and we're on his plan. no land line since it would just be something else to pay for we don't need. no garbage fees since we paid for our recycling many months ago. you only have to by replacement bags and we won't need to do that for at least a year. obviously i haven't budgeted for further needs like car maintenance.

the cars, DH has his little 2 seater honda dying a slow death on our drive way. it will not pass emissions and we don't have money to fix it up. we can't sell in our state unless it's registered. to register it we need it to pass emissions. i had previously convinced DH to donate and take the tax right off but then he changed his mind. we owe less then $6000 on the daily driver. we plan on driving it to it's death. i've never considered selling it for a less expensive car because we never had that buffer to cover related expenses. DH is going to flip when i suggest selling it and cutting out the netflix/x-box. he's having a really hard time with all this and won't give up his "things".

for some reason WIC never crossed my mind. i know we don't qualify for food stamps but WIC is diffinetly something to look into. i would be thrilled if i could get the kids back on state insurance. at least the kids dental work would probably be fully covered.

since someone asked about her teeth, she's basically got "bottle rot" on all her upper teeth and small cavities on her lower teeth. both her and DS had molars erupt with pits already in them. she's had food intolerances since birth that i never fully understood until i realized i had a gluten intolerance just a few months ago. now i see that she has some severe deficiencies that are contributing to her dental decay and cause her hair to break when i brush it. for me, us eating super healthy is about the only thing i can do to help her and it's the main factor in buying so much organic whole foods. the dentist was saw wanted to break it up into 3 in-office visits with Versed sedative and papoose board. she also didn't want to pull any teeth. that was a reg flag to me that she just wanted to make money off DD. the office also doesn't do payment plans or take Care Credit. i want to get another estimate from a dentist who would do general anesthesia and do all the work at once. i figured it would be less traumatic to have one big thing then a few smaller things. DD has a really bad doctor phobia and won't let anyone touch her. dental schools is great suggestion. i'll look into that.

i'm sure i could cut our food and household budget a bit. i agree Costco does add up when you're buy non essentials. i should really compare number to see if i'm saving by buying there or not buying there. MIL pays for the membership so it's not costing us anything to shop or not shop there. i do know that i can get their 10lb bag of organic carrots for $5 and the 5lb bag is $4.50 at the market. we eat a lot of carrots here, lol. we used to be able to buy household supplies but i lost that buffer years ago. the juice boxes are done. i was hesitant about mentioning that. school is out in a few weeks. the farmers market i go to has organic food for cheaper then conventional at the grocery store most of the time. it's hard to not pick organic when i know i'm getting such a good deal. i usually get a few items organic every time. apples, bananas, potatoes, spinach and onions are always organic. everything else just depends on how fresh the conventional vs. organic looks and if the price difference is less then $1 a pound. no organic meats, eggs, or milk.

DS and i are for sure very gluten intolerant. both our blood workups came back negative for Celiac Disease and DS has a follow up with his GI specialist this summer to talk about further testing. i'm not going to seek any diagnoses for me at this time since i'm responding so well to the diet modifications. as mentioned earlier DD has many issues i suspect are stemming from my gluten intolerance. she has previously tested IgG to wheat. based on my families history and DH's heritage my kids will never eat gluten contain foods again. i don't by GF substitutes other then Pamela's bread flour and pasta. i bought the 12lb box of bread flour off amazon 6 weeks ago and i still have a 4lb+ left. we don't use it very often.

i hope i didn't sound like i was making excuses. i was trying to explain things a bit more. both DH and i came from families with poor money handling skills. no one taught us how to do things right and we're learning the hard way.
post #20 of 50
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Originally Posted by meg-momto2 View Post
DS and i are for sure very gluten intolerant. both our blood workups came back negative for Celiac Disease and DS has a follow up with his GI specialist this summer to talk about further testing. i'm not going to seek any diagnoses for me at this time since i'm responding so well to the diet modifications. as mentioned earlier DD has many issues i suspect are stemming from my gluten intolerance. she has previously tested IgG to wheat. based on my families history and DH's heritage my kids will never eat gluten contain foods again. i don't by GF substitutes other then Pamela's bread flour and pasta. i bought the 12lb box of bread flour off amazon 6 weeks ago and i still have a 4lb+ left. we don't use it very often.
We are gluten free in our home and you are spending a ton on groceries. We also buy organic. It is really easy to eat both on a budget. You just need a new way of thinking of what you eat. Do you need $5.00 loaf of gl bread or mix or can you eat something else like corn tortillas or corn bread. It is very easy to make delicious and cheap meals that are gluten free and good for you.
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