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post #1 of 20
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Ok -- the boys will soon be 2 (how in the heck did THAT happen!), and I'm getting to my wits end.

They really don't eat a lot of solid foods, and it's making me crazy. They would be content to nurse, or take a bottle of milk from Daddy pretty much all day. I've tried different foods, feeding them myself with a spoon, finger foods, snacks, you name it.

It takes me longer to get food together for them, than they sit in the high chair and eat. They are gaining weight (last check they were 24 and 25 lbs), but I seriously want a break from all this. I just feel like they should be eating more.

Anyone else gone through this, and what have you done? Any advice?
post #2 of 20
Ok, here's the thing. I know that this is going to sound a bit harsh, so please take this with the comradery that it is being given.

Uhem...they will not let themselves starve. There is an innate sense of self preservation there, especially in two year olds. You have to introduce a new food to a toddler 27 times before they will even try it. Just keep giving it to them, let them play with it and keep it simple (pasta with nothing on it, steamed and raw cut up veggies, cereal). While they are playing and exploring with the food, some of it will get in. The other trick is to try not to feed them for at least an hour or so before you want them to eat. If they are hungry, there is more of a likelyhood that something will go in.

Mine are 2.5. I have one really picky eater and one who will eat whatever you put in front of him. One of the things that I learned is that if I just leave them to it (while keeping an eye on them from the kitchen), and they have the most interesting conversations and manage to eat. I have also started a sticker chart. Every time they eat all their dinner they get a smiley face sticker on their chart. After 5 or so stickers they get a treat (one chocolate chip or one small cookie each, etc). It seems to work really, really well.

As mothers we will always be worried about the amount they eat, even if they are getting enough.

Good luck!!
post #3 of 20
mine were like that, as well. i don't have any advise for getting yours to eat more, but if they are gaining well then you don't really need to spin your wheels worrying. really.

my little guys are still nursing A LOT, but started eating more in the last handful of months. we just serve them what everyone is eating and let them eat what they want. if they get up 5 minutes later from the table to play, that's fine. food stays there until my eldest son clears the table. after that, the food is gone. we keep lots of fruit out in a bowl for snacks, which they usually ask for during the day.

Shuli is right about them not letting themselves starve. Take it as a compliment - you make REALLY good milk!
post #4 of 20
My guys were still getting most of their calories from my milk at around 22-23 months, when I had to wean them a bit precipitously (I say they are weaned, but actually one of them just started nursing again in the early mornings...I have NO milk left though, since they didn't nurse for 1.5 months). For me, it was difficult because they were so demanding about nursing, and wanted to nurse ALL the time, wherever we were. They wouldn't eat solid food because they preferred to nurse. Once they weaned (which went incredibly smoothly; for some reason they found it hysterical when I told them that my milk was gone), they started eating HUGE AMOUNTS of food. lol...so unless you are prepared to fix them tons of food all the time, definitely enjoy their reliance on breastmilk while it lasts

But really, if you want a break, they are old enough for nursing limits. Like tell them you can't nurse them except for certain times of the day. When they start nursing less, they *will* start eating more. But I don't think it is easy to go the other way around, to get them to eat more solids so that they will nurse less. Do you have a local LLL with a toddler group that might have advice for you?
post #5 of 20
Two year olds the world over are notorious for this kind of behavior. And honestly, I think that when we try too hard to "get them to eat," we just make it worse.

Gently, I'd like to say that I think you need to rethink this issue in a very serious way.

What you want is a nice division of responsibility surrounding food: your task is to put a reasonable variety of good food on the table at regular meal and snack times, and to limit access to junky foods. Their task is to come to the table, use reasonable age-appropriate table manners, and eat from the choices available. The amount they eat, and what they choose to eat from what you make available, should be entirely their job. In a system like this, there's no need for excessive anxiety on your part-- they will not starve themselves. They will eat just exactly what their appetite dictates, to grow to their genetically predetermined size.

So I think I'm going to say that you need to relax-- you're trying way too hard. You don't want to turn food into a struggle, especially at this age when struggles are all too frequent anyway. Put your focus into teaching appropriate table manners-- they're old enough at this point to sit up to the table, in a booster chair, and eat what the family eats, and to learn to do things like not throwing food or dumping, communicating when they want something or are finished with something, and drinking from an ordinary cup.

When they drink bottles, are they drinking breastmilk, or some other milk? Because excessive consumption of cow's milk or other milks besides BM can be a problem for kids at this age. Breastmilk is one thing-- it's nutritionally complete for human children. But cow's milk, and other substitute milks like soy, etc., are not, and being full of milk all day can keep a child from being hungry for other foods that provide other necessary nutrients. Kids who drink more than about 16 to 24 oz a day of cow's milk are at risk for iron-deficiency, for example.

So I think that if the bottles are not breastmilk, I'd consider discontinuing them, or limiting them to once or twice a day, and limiting the quantity to no more than a few ounces. That will mean they're taking in fewer calories from milk, which should naturally increase their appetite for foods. If they derive comfort from the bottle, there's nothing wrong with that, but have you tried offering water, or even gradually watering down the milk so that they're getting less and less each day?

You'll also want to limit juice, sugar, and starchy white-flour snacks like crackers and stuff, to very small amounts. Those will also fill kids up without providing much nutrition, and will then cause them to not be hungry for their meals. They need so few calories at this age, and you want the ones they get to pack a nutritional punch. So focus on vegetables, and fruits and meats and fish and poultry and cheese and yogurt and eggs and whole grains and beans and other whole foods like that.

I would also discontinue spoonfeeding, and offering special "kid" foods. At this age, kids can be eating the same meal as the rest of the family, with maybe the rare exception for some special adult treat. They're old enough to feed themselves without any special help other than having foods cut into reasonable size pieces.

If toddlers ate as much as we think they should, they'd be overweight. Their growth slows down a LOT at this age, and it's supposed to. They really do need very few calories at this age to fuel that growth. And a child still nursing is getting quite a few of those calories, plus all the nutrients needed for optimal health, so there's no reason for any special efforts to get the child to eat more than he wants to put in his mouth by himself.

As for limiting breastfeeding-- that's up to you. I see no reason why you have to. Kids will wean all on their own, when they're ready, and if you're comfortable with that, it will happen in its own time. But if you're ready to start setting limits there's absolutely nothing wrong with that either. You can say we only nurse at these times, and stick to it, if you feel like you and they are ready for that step.

I would highly recommend checking out Ellyn Satter, both her website and her books, for a very balanced, sensible approach to feeding children.
post #6 of 20
In response to the post above, I think the OP was specifically saying that she wants her twins to nurse less often, and to eat solid food instead. I'm not sure where the unrealistic expectations (or need for a lecture on toddler nutrition) come in. Nursing almost-2-year-old twins ALL day long is incredibly difficult. As far as I can tell, the OP doesn't want her children to eat an unreasonable amount of food--just to EAT solid food rather than to nurse. So the issue isn't the kids' nutrition or the amount they are eating, the real issue is their desire to nurse rather than eat. Seems completely reasonable to me

edited to add: I'm sorry, I didn't mean so be confrontational. I just felt bad for the OP, who I imagine is in a similar situation to the one I was in a few months ago, because I think the previous poster somewhat misunderstood her question.
post #7 of 20
Yeah, I can see where my post probably was too much information-- more than she needed, and not quite directed at her specific question.

I was in particular responding to this:
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They really don't eat a lot of solid foods, and it's making me crazy. They would be content to nurse, or take a bottle of milk from Daddy pretty much all day. I've tried different foods, feeding them myself with a spoon, finger foods, snacks, you name it.
because I think that a total rethinking of the issue of how to get them to eat might help the OP to feel more okay about how much the kids are eating. Because realistically, many many two year olds, whether they're nursing a lot or not, eat nearly nothing a lot of the time, and mamas can worry a lot when they don't realize how normal it is. I also think that it's important to answer these questions in a more general way, because a lot of mamas come here looking for answers to their own situations by reading the posts related to the issues they're having, and I think information on a different model of feeding toddlers can be useful to those mamas.

Finally, the OP did mention bottles, which means that the issue is not just how to get them to nurse less and eat-- it's also about how to get them to take less from a bottle, and eat more, which I think my advice specifically addressed.

And finally- I think the OP sounded like she'd experience some degree of stress in trying different ways of offering food, in an effort to persuade her children to eat, and my intention was to gently offer the idea that getting kids to eat really isn't our job as parents. To offer a way to think about it.

I can see how my response might have been perceived in the way you have perceived it, and I hope for sure that the OP doesn't feel like I jumped all over her. I just think that there are alternative ways of thinking about feeding and LOs. It took me a long time to come to the realization that feeding them wasn't really my job-- preparing food is my job, and offering it, but feeding is a LOs job. It's a real shift that happens, with toddlers.

It may be that getting them to eat more isn't really a solution. It might be that thinking differently about the issue as it stands may be the solution. That's all I'm trying to say.
post #8 of 20
I think probably I'm sensitive about the issue since I was having such a tough time with constantly nursing my twins a few months back
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by mama_tigress View Post
I think probably I'm sensitive about the issue since I was having such a tough time with constantly nursing my twins a few months back
That can drive you nuts, can't it? One of my twins, DS, was a 24 hour round-the-clock nursing fiend, until he weaned. I didn't mean to step on any sensitive spots...
post #10 of 20
Well I have to say I agree with Llyra. Ellyn Slater's book is Child of Mine: Feeding with Love and Good Sense. It's a great resource and I turn to it time and time again.

Also, are you feeding them by themselves, or feeding them separately from the family? I fed my twins by themselves. They went to bed early, my husband worked late and I didn't want to make a full dinner at 5. My singleton eats with me and the girls. (Husband still works late.) I think that works a lot better. Eating is not only about nutrition but also about the social aspects of eating, being part of a family. Perhaps if you served them a small portion of whatever you all are eating at the table at the same time, their meals would go better.

Also, I've found if I think big picture, I relax a bit. I want my kids to eat according to their own body's cues; I want them to eat when they're hungry and stop when they've had enough.
post #11 of 20
http://www.ellynsatter.com/

Here's her website...
post #12 of 20
I definitely agree with F&P's mama about eating with them. I find that if I just give them food and then go about my business (usually cleaning up the kitchen or whatever) they get too distracted by each other and their play, and they don't eat much. And then they come back 30 minutes later and want a snack. But if I sit down at the table with them and eat a little bit of something, they are much more likely to actually eat a reasonably satisfying amount.
post #13 of 20
When the boys started eating real food all the time (they weaned at about 18 months) our grocery bill practically doubled. Now at 2.5 they eat almost anything within the parameters of their individual tastebuds. We continuously introduce new foods as the seasons progress and they have learned what they like and what they don't. I also have a very strict eating/drinking cut off time and hour and a half before dinner, that way they are hungry and they know no matter how much they ask they have to wait for dinner.

I agree with a pp regarding meal times. I find that if I sit with them and feed their baby sister at the same time they will eat much more than when left to their own devices. I also don't feel like eating at 5 in the afternoon, but I will eat a little of what they are eating and I engage them in conversation. Meal times are more than about food, it is also about bonding.

When the boys say they are finished I respect that and let them go and play. They also know that there is a small window of opportunity to come back to the table and then dinner time is over. For now it is just about table manners and common courtesy and communication. It also allows me to know when they are going through a growth spurt. When the plate is empty a few days in a row it is time to watch for clothes and shoes becoming too small

Also, on the psychological side of things: There is so much change in their lives right now that the only thing that they can control in their environment now is elimination and how much they eat. If you make it a power struggle then food isn't fun anymore, it's a way for them to control you. If you relax more and you act as if you couldn't care less how much or what they ate, then they will relax and probably eat more. You wouldn't be able to eat either if someone was "standing over you" making you eat

The key is to just relax, put the food on the table when they are hungry and engage them in conversation. You'd be surprised how much they eat.

Good luck.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Shuli View Post
Ok, here's the thing. I know that this is going to sound a bit harsh, so please take this with the comradery that it is being given.

Uhem...they will not let themselves starve. There is an innate sense of self preservation there, especially in two year olds. You have to introduce a new food to a toddler 27 times before they will even try it. Just keep giving it to them, let them play with it and keep it simple (pasta with nothing on it, steamed and raw cut up veggies, cereal). While they are playing and exploring with the food, some of it will get in. The other trick is to try not to feed them for at least an hour or so before you want them to eat. If they are hungry, there is more of a likelyhood that something will go in.

Mine are 2.5. I have one really picky eater and one who will eat whatever you put in front of him. One of the things that I learned is that if I just leave them to it (while keeping an eye on them from the kitchen), and they have the most interesting conversations and manage to eat. I have also started a sticker chart. Every time they eat all their dinner they get a smiley face sticker on their chart. After 5 or so stickers they get a treat (one chocolate chip or one small cookie each, etc). It seems to work really, really well.

As mothers we will always be worried about the amount they eat, even if they are getting enough.

Good luck!!
No offense taken at all ..... I know they're not starving, for sure! I just get really frustrated with the amount of nursing, or asking for a bottle, when I think they SHOULD be hungry.

It just feels like I no more get a meal on their trays, and sit down to grab a small bite myself, then they are clamoring (or climbing out of) to get out of the high chairs.

I know part of me being frustrated is generalized fatigue, which is a whole 'nother episode.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by herdingkittens View Post
mine were like that, as well. i don't have any advise for getting yours to eat more, but if they are gaining well then you don't really need to spin your wheels worrying. really.

my little guys are still nursing A LOT, but started eating more in the last handful of months. we just serve them what everyone is eating and let them eat what they want. if they get up 5 minutes later from the table to play, that's fine. food stays there until my eldest son clears the table. after that, the food is gone. we keep lots of fruit out in a bowl for snacks, which they usually ask for during the day.

Shuli is right about them not letting themselves starve. Take it as a compliment - you make REALLY good milk!
Getting up from the table to play would be fine ..... it's the getting up, then immediately asking for milk that makes me nuts!
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by mama_tigress View Post
My guys were still getting most of their calories from my milk at around 22-23 months, when I had to wean them a bit precipitously (I say they are weaned, but actually one of them just started nursing again in the early mornings...I have NO milk left though, since they didn't nurse for 1.5 months). For me, it was difficult because they were so demanding about nursing, and wanted to nurse ALL the time, wherever we were. They wouldn't eat solid food because they preferred to nurse. Once they weaned (which went incredibly smoothly; for some reason they found it hysterical when I told them that my milk was gone), they started eating HUGE AMOUNTS of food. lol...so unless you are prepared to fix them tons of food all the time, definitely enjoy their reliance on breastmilk while it lasts

But really, if you want a break, they are old enough for nursing limits. Like tell them you can't nurse them except for certain times of the day. When they start nursing less, they *will* start eating more. But I don't think it is easy to go the other way around, to get them to eat more solids so that they will nurse less. Do you have a local LLL with a toddler group that might have advice for you?
Woot! This sounds JUST like me! I seriously think that they would prefer to nurse over eating solids, which was part of my concern.

I'm trying to set limits as best I can -- you can understand that sometimes, it's just easier to give up and give in! I try to limit it to a certain spot at home, and always ask if they want water first, too. When we are out and about, I put them off until we get home.

I'll try to get in touch with some LLL folks here, too!
Thanks!
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Llyra View Post
Two year olds the world over are notorious for this kind of behavior. And honestly, I think that when we try too hard to "get them to eat," we just make it worse.

Gently, I'd like to say that I think you need to rethink this issue in a very serious way.

What you want is a nice division of responsibility surrounding food: your task is to put a reasonable variety of good food on the table at regular meal and snack times, and to limit access to junky foods. Their task is to come to the table, use reasonable age-appropriate table manners, and eat from the choices available. The amount they eat, and what they choose to eat from what you make available, should be entirely their job. In a system like this, there's no need for excessive anxiety on your part-- they will not starve themselves. They will eat just exactly what their appetite dictates, to grow to their genetically predetermined size.

So I think I'm going to say that you need to relax-- you're trying way too hard. You don't want to turn food into a struggle, especially at this age when struggles are all too frequent anyway. Put your focus into teaching appropriate table manners-- they're old enough at this point to sit up to the table, in a booster chair, and eat what the family eats, and to learn to do things like not throwing food or dumping, communicating when they want something or are finished with something, and drinking from an ordinary cup.

When they drink bottles, are they drinking breastmilk, or some other milk? Because excessive consumption of cow's milk or other milks besides BM can be a problem for kids at this age. Breastmilk is one thing-- it's nutritionally complete for human children. But cow's milk, and other substitute milks like soy, etc., are not, and being full of milk all day can keep a child from being hungry for other foods that provide other necessary nutrients. Kids who drink more than about 16 to 24 oz a day of cow's milk are at risk for iron-deficiency, for example.

So I think that if the bottles are not breastmilk, I'd consider discontinuing them, or limiting them to once or twice a day, and limiting the quantity to no more than a few ounces. That will mean they're taking in fewer calories from milk, which should naturally increase their appetite for foods. If they derive comfort from the bottle, there's nothing wrong with that, but have you tried offering water, or even gradually watering down the milk so that they're getting less and less each day?

You'll also want to limit juice, sugar, and starchy white-flour snacks like crackers and stuff, to very small amounts. Those will also fill kids up without providing much nutrition, and will then cause them to not be hungry for their meals. They need so few calories at this age, and you want the ones they get to pack a nutritional punch. So focus on vegetables, and fruits and meats and fish and poultry and cheese and yogurt and eggs and whole grains and beans and other whole foods like that.

I would also discontinue spoonfeeding, and offering special "kid" foods. At this age, kids can be eating the same meal as the rest of the family, with maybe the rare exception for some special adult treat. They're old enough to feed themselves without any special help other than having foods cut into reasonable size pieces.

If toddlers ate as much as we think they should, they'd be overweight. Their growth slows down a LOT at this age, and it's supposed to. They really do need very few calories at this age to fuel that growth. And a child still nursing is getting quite a few of those calories, plus all the nutrients needed for optimal health, so there's no reason for any special efforts to get the child to eat more than he wants to put in his mouth by himself.

As for limiting breastfeeding-- that's up to you. I see no reason why you have to. Kids will wean all on their own, when they're ready, and if you're comfortable with that, it will happen in its own time. But if you're ready to start setting limits there's absolutely nothing wrong with that either. You can say we only nurse at these times, and stick to it, if you feel like you and they are ready for that step.

I would highly recommend checking out Ellyn Satter, both her website and her books, for a very balanced, sensible approach to feeding children.
The bottles that they are taking are a combo of rice milk and cow milk ... long story. I wasn't pumping enough to keep up with them when I was gone to work, so my husband did a combo of rice and goat milk, then later, the cow milk. I don't think they are drinking 16 ounces a day .... probably around 12, I think.

And, of course, crackers (of various forms) are the first thing I turn to for snacking, because it's easy, of course.

I'll be checking out Ellyn Satter ...thanks!
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by f&p'smama View Post
Well I have to say I agree with Llyra. Ellyn Slater's book is Child of Mine: Feeding with Love and Good Sense. It's a great resource and I turn to it time and time again.

Also, are you feeding them by themselves, or feeding them separately from the family? I fed my twins by themselves. They went to bed early, my husband worked late and I didn't want to make a full dinner at 5. My singleton eats with me and the girls. (Husband still works late.) I think that works a lot better. Eating is not only about nutrition but also about the social aspects of eating, being part of a family. Perhaps if you served them a small portion of whatever you all are eating at the table at the same time, their meals would go better.

Also, I've found if I think big picture, I relax a bit. I want my kids to eat according to their own body's cues; I want them to eat when they're hungry and stop when they've had enough.

it's a combo of both ..... I start off fixing their stuff first, then we all sit down together ..... for about 5 minutes until they start throwing food, climbing down, etc.

Oh ... and I forgot to mention ... we all eat the same thing. No special kids food here.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
thank you all so much ---- eating is just one of the many things stressing me out at the moment.

You all are wonderful, and I appreciate you so much!
post #20 of 20
My daughter refused pretty much all solids and wasn't gaining weight well. we tried all of the usual lactivist advice (ie nurse on demand, delay solids, just wait she'll eat when she's ready) however it got to the point that she was diagnosed with anorexia(not the mental health disorder but as a behavior) they were unable to find a medical reason she wouldn't eat but it was to the point that it could start affecting her development. The behavioral tips we were given we to structure meals 3 meals, two sancks in her high chair distraction free (ie no pets, tv, reading at the table...) She sits in her chair for no longer than 15 minutes unless she is actively eating then we don't offer her food until the next scheduled feeding. When we were nursing I would offer the solids first then nurse her. These changes help but then we eventually decided to try Periactin an appetite stimulating antihistamine. She went from gaingn 4 grams a day to gaining 24 grams a day and actually eating regular meals. I'm not writing this to scare you just to say that for me all of these interventions were completely against all of my intuition but after holding out for a long time she is doing much better. Not that I think yours need these things just that maybe some of the behavior interventions would help. For us grazing really stifled her appetite even though it usually works well for toddlers but for mine she would eat just a bite or two to curb her hunger. My 8 month old twins were doing the same with refusing all solids and even worse with the weight gaining but we jsut had them allergy tested and once we removed the things they tested as allergic to they started eating dramatically more!! I am now planning to have my older daughter tested. They may be avoiding foods because they cause some sort of discomfort that they can't express.
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