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post #1 of 16
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... about night weaning when it comes to a bottle fed baby?

I always feel like I should be ashamed that my baby is bottle fed and not nursing. We made it to 6 months for nursing, through 3 nursing strikes, my genuine supply issue... before bottles/formula won out. My supply issue got so bad that my DD was labeled Failure to Thrive. She was not thriving on my breast milk alone and at 3 weeks of age, she was half a pound lighter than she was a birth (6 whopping pounds). We had to supplement.

Anyways, do the same rules apply for bottle fed babies concerning night weaning and night time feedings? My DD is 9.5 months old and wakes up between 5-10 times a night. I'm just so exhausted that it's beginning to effect my ability to be a calm, patient mama. I need sleep!
post #2 of 16
That sounds like a lot for a bottle fed baby. Is she hungry every time? Have you tried getting up with her and rocking her back to sleep, without feeding her? Does she eat good during the day? I do not change dd at night unless there is poop. I don't turn on any lights and try to keep activity to a minimum, so she knows it is sleep time, not play time. Good Luck, I would be totally exhausted!
post #3 of 16
First off, don't feel bad about not nursing! I'm jealous you got to nurse for 6 months! I was unable to nurse so I've been pumping around the clock for the past 7.5 months. It's just getting too stressful so I've been slowing down, and while DS has always gotten some formula he's been getting loads more and I feel guilty about that. You're doing the best you can for your baby and that's all any more can (and should) do. Don't feel bad mama- but I know how you feel :-)

It does seem like she's waking up a lot. Tommy can sleep through the night (8-12hours) but he usually gets up once or twice to eat. I try not to feed him immediately (I keep a bottle right by the bed so I don't have to get up, get him out of bed, turn on lots of lights, etc. Trying to keep it as close to nursing as possible). If he doesn't settle after 1-2 minutes I feed him.

Since I'm assuming you co-sleep, going by what forum we're in, could you or your partner be disturbing her? Do you leave the tv on? Do you have pets? Is it too cold or too hot? I would try to see if anything besides hunger is interferring with her sleep.

What about food- does she get any solids? Tommy tends to sleep better when he goes to bed with a full tummy. He usually has dinner around 7:00ish, which consists of 1-2oz of sweet potato, yogurt, applesauce, or other fruits and veggies. He then usually has a bottle right before bed, around 8-9pm, of 3-6oz.

Lastly, how does she sleep during the day? Does she take a few long naps or several short naps? If she's overtired or wide awake she won't sleep well. We had that problem. Try to keep as much of a routine as possible. I try not to let Tommy sleep 1-2 hours before bed and that's been helping.

Good luck!!
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by BlueWolf View Post
? My DD is 9.5 months old and wakes up between 5-10 times a night. I'm just so exhausted that it's beginning to effect my ability to be a calm, patient mama. I need sleep!
I remember my son at 10 months would get an 8 oz baba, drink it in bed and then sleep through the night. But he is a good sleeper, hates to go to sleep, but once we are there he is out. Upon waking he would be very impatient for a baba. I always thought formula was so filling that most of the babes slept and that is why people are so quick to go on it.

He is 3 now and our routine is the same, except it is 1oz milk rest water, and our routine is out of comfort and habit. But who cares because the child sleeps!!!
post #5 of 16
I, too, can relate to the feelings of guilt. My DS was only breastfed for 6 months and of that, at least 3 were from pumped milk only. We had such a terrible time with it. You have done the best that you can!

So how often are you giving a bottle at night? Do you have to give a bottle at each of the wake-ups to get your babe back to sleep?
post #6 of 16
Do you have a dp would could handle half the night?

Could you try a pacifier and snuggling? Then you wouldn't have to get up and prep a bottle and stay awake to hold the bottle up, etc. And she might be okay with sucking and cuddling next to you the times she wakes up for sucking and not out of hunger.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by lilzippy59 View Post
First off, don't feel bad about not nursing! I'm jealous you got to nurse for 6 months! I was unable to nurse so I've been pumping around the clock for the past 7.5 months. It's just getting too stressful so I've been slowing down, and while DS has always gotten some formula he's been getting loads more and I feel guilty about that. You're doing the best you can for your baby and that's all any more can (and should) do. Don't feel bad mama- but I know how you feel :-)

It does seem like she's waking up a lot. Tommy can sleep through the night (8-12hours) but he usually gets up once or twice to eat. I try not to feed him immediately (I keep a bottle right by the bed so I don't have to get up, get him out of bed, turn on lots of lights, etc. Trying to keep it as close to nursing as possible). If he doesn't settle after 1-2 minutes I feed him.

Since I'm assuming you co-sleep, going by what forum we're in, could you or your partner be disturbing her? Do you leave the tv on? Do you have pets? Is it too cold or too hot? I would try to see if anything besides hunger is interferring with her sleep.

What about food- does she get any solids? Tommy tends to sleep better when he goes to bed with a full tummy. He usually has dinner around 7:00ish, which consists of 1-2oz of sweet potato, yogurt, applesauce, or other fruits and veggies. He then usually has a bottle right before bed, around 8-9pm, of 3-6oz.

Lastly, how does she sleep during the day? Does she take a few long naps or several short naps? If she's overtired or wide awake she won't sleep well. We had that problem. Try to keep as much of a routine as possible. I try not to let Tommy sleep 1-2 hours before bed and that's been helping.

Good luck!!
Thank you so much for the support. It means the world to me, especially with where I'm at mentally.

To answer some of your questions.

She's always been an awful sleeper. For the first 8 months, she would only nap in her swing, and no more than 30 minutes at a time. I finally managed to transition her to napping in bed, but it was a long rough road. She now naps in the morning for an hour in bed and an hour (or two if I'm really lucky) in the afternoon. Problem is I have to be right there with her, so she'll wake up within 10 minutes screaming.

Our night time routine goes like this. At 7, we go into the bedroom and get her dressed in her jammies. She then eats about 4 oz. Lately, she's started this thing where she has to stand to poop. and apparently the best time to do that is bed time. Most nights she poops, and we go onward to bed, but lately she's been taking this opportunity to play more and practicing even more standing. But if she doesn't poop at least once a day, she's extra crabby and restless all night long.

Once I get her settled into bed, she finished her bottle. Her bed time bottle is anywhere from 7oz - 12oz depending on how hungry she is, and if she's in a growth spurt. She usually settles right down to sleep and is out for a couple hours. I join her in bed around 9-9:30. She wakes up around 10-11 wanting another bottle, which is 4-5 oz before she falls asleep again. Most nights she wakes up hourly after that point but can be patted and shushed back to sleep. I'll give her another bottle if she just wont settle back to sleep after 15 or so minutes. Most nights she will go through three 4-5oz bottles after her bed time bottle. She wakes up at 7 like clock work, every morning.

I have a really hard time getting her to eat enough during the day. Even taking her into a dark, quiet room wont always guarantee that she'll eat when she's suppose to. I used to feed on demand, but then all her demands started to be at night since she was too "busy" to eat during the day.

She doesn't eat a lot of solids. She's just not overly interested in them yet. She'll have a taste here and there of what I'm eating, but doesn't consume anything that would qualify as a meal. So as far as solids go, I'm just following her lead.

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Originally Posted by Jend1002 View Post
I, too, can relate to the feelings of guilt. My DS was only breastfed for 6 months and of that, at least 3 were from pumped milk only. We had such a terrible time with it. You have done the best that you can!

So how often are you giving a bottle at night? Do you have to give a bottle at each of the wake-ups to get your babe back to sleep?
She gets a bottle at the 10-11pm wake up, but only gets a bottle at her other wakes up if she wont go back to sleep after 15 or so minutes.

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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
Do you have a dp would could handle half the night?

Could you try a pacifier and snuggling? Then you wouldn't have to get up and prep a bottle and stay awake to hold the bottle up, etc. And she might be okay with sucking and cuddling next to you the times she wakes up for sucking and not out of hunger.
My DH travels for work M-F, so it's just mean during the week. He takes over on the weekend so I can get a bit of extra sleep. But we don't have a spare bedroom so I end up sleeping on the couch. Which destroys my back and then I'm in pain the rest of the week from the couch. So no really good sleep on the weekend either.

She wont take a pacifier for the life of me. She has refused them since day one. She doesn't even have a lovey or anything similar.
post #8 of 16
This is just my own experience, and may not work for you. Also, I have been blessed with good sleepers, so that may be it, too.
I would introduce more solids, and have set mealtimes, that way if everyone is eating, she won't be too busy, she'll probably want to eat with the rest of the family. My son was off of the bottle by 11 months.
Introduce a sippy cup, so she can get used to that, too, and rely less on her bottle. That's about all I've got, and you may already be doing this. I hope you get some relief soon!
Have you tried different types of pacifiers? My dd tried about 5 before we found one she liked.
post #9 of 16
Can you list all the things you have tried?

If it were me I could care less about her going to bed at 7. Let her play until 9 or 10, get some food in her, let her have some fun then I would go to bed with her. If she wakes at 7 okay, but she will have to go down for a nap, which I would do with her. My son sleeps great, but I am right there, there is no time he is by himself. That is what he needs, so I deliver. And it does suck but it cant last forever.
post #10 of 16
No advice from me, but I also wanted to say, don't feel bad about not nursing. Really, I always feel bad when people feel like they have to justify bottles. We do the best we can for our babes.
post #11 of 16
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Can you list all the things you have tried?

If it were me I could care less about her going to bed at 7. Let her play until 9 or 10, get some food in her, let her have some fun then I would go to bed with her. If she wakes at 7 okay, but she will have to go down for a nap, which I would do with her. My son sleeps great, but I am right there, there is no time he is by himself. That is what he needs, so I deliver. And it does suck but it cant last forever.
List of things I've tried to keep her asleep or... ?

We're currently cosleeping. We've tried side carring her crib and having her sleep in there. That helped for a couple of weeks then she reverted to her frequent nightly wake ups. I don't think she likes the super firm infant mattresses, since our bed is much softer (although not a pillow top). We've tried swaddling, white nose, earlier bed time, later bed time, pacifiers (which she hated), sleeping just with daddy (when he's home)... I think that's about it. She's not a rock to sleep type of baby, that just stimulates her to full waking.

The only thing I haven't tried yet is putting her in her own room. I'm thinking about putting a full mattress on the floor, butted up into the corner of her "room" and seeing if it's me that causes her to wake up so much. I'm a really bad sleeper myself, so I wonder if my tossing and turning might be disturbing her. But it saddens me to think of my baby sleeping in another room. I love cosleeping with her on nights that I actually get some form of sleep.


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Originally Posted by Pearl H View Post
No advice from me, but I also wanted to say, don't feel bad about not nursing. Really, I always feel bad when people feel like they have to justify bottles. We do the best we can for our babes.
Thank you It's not that am an advocate for bottles... but we just tried so hard to nurse and I still feel like I failed at it. Especially on a forum where I'm surrounded by so many successful long term nursers.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by nola79 View Post
This is just my own experience, and may not work for you. Also, I have been blessed with good sleepers, so that may be it, too.
I would introduce more solids, and have set mealtimes, that way if everyone is eating, she won't be too busy, she'll probably want to eat with the rest of the family. My son was off of the bottle by 11 months.
Introduce a sippy cup, so she can get used to that, too, and rely less on her bottle. That's about all I've got, and you may already be doing this. I hope you get some relief soon!
Have you tried different types of pacifiers? My dd tried about 5 before we found one she liked.
This. I think with ff you do need to be a bit more scheduled as they get older--that's one of the things that draws people to ff. DD2 was supplemented from 8 months and I'll admit I liked the routine of it, always knowing when she needed to eat and being able to predict her eating and sleeping (am fully pro-bf though, would bf another babe and am not recommending formula! Just didn't have enough milk.) In my opinion, you are feeding her way too much at night and that is probably why she is not hungry during the day.

I hate to say it because I know I'll get flamed but maybe have a look at some baby schedules, online or in a book? Not going to recommend any books but you know the ones I mean! Ignore any sleep advice and just look at the eating and nap timetables. Offer your DD regular meals when you eat, you are definitely doing right letting her choose whether or not to eat but always offer, and at her age you can work towards a schedule with the formula feeds. If she seems hungry in between, offer snacks (banana keeps a baby going!)

Don't not feed her at night if she's actually hungry but do have a look at some schedules or ask your ped for how much formula she should be having at this age. IME ff at 9.5 months was very different than bf at 9.5 months--DD1 was still bf on demand, bf through the night etc but formula is just different, they can't just have a snack of it or a little nip to get back to sleep.
post #13 of 16
Have you tried taking her to the potty when she wakes? I know that was a big part of my DS's nightwakings when he was that age. Once we started implementing some nighttime EC, he went from several night wakings to 2-3ish. We would take DS when he started to stir/fuss a little, but before he was really awake, so frequently he just fell back asleep when we got back to bed.
post #14 of 16
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Have you tried taking her to the potty when she wakes? I know that was a big part of my DS's nightwakings when he was that age. Once we started implementing some nighttime EC, he went from several night wakings to 2-3ish. We would take DS when he started to stir/fuss a little, but before he was really awake, so frequently he just fell back asleep when we got back to bed.
I'm not even sure how to start potting training let alone ECing. I guess I'll need to take a peek over at the EC forum.
post #15 of 16
I don't think a baby who is used to diapers would suddenly start peeing if held over a toilet and start sleeping better, JMHO.

It sounds like the issue here is reverse cycling. Not getting enough calories in during the day and being hungry at night. I would work on getting her to sleep without bottles at night (maybe only one every 3 hours? I don't know) and feed her more during the day. Easier said than done, I know. sorry Mama!
post #16 of 16
This sounds a lot like the sleep pattern my friend's DD had. She wouldn't sleep longer than 45 minutes to an hour at a stretch. My friend took her to the doctor, got a referral to an ENT, and it turns out that she had enlarged adenoids that were causing sleep apnea all night long. The adnoids were taken out when she was about 18 months old and is down to only one night waking.

My friend got lots of advice from all kinds of well meaning people along the way, but she really wishes she followed her instincts earlier when she felt that something just wasn't right. People made her feel like she was a bad mom because her kid wasn't sleeping though the night.

So if your mommy-instincts are telling you that this isn't normal, I wouldn't hesitate to take her in for a consult. And I am pretty anti-doctor myself.

And please don't feel bad about the formula. My DD refused to nurse. Back arched, red faced, strong-armed, screaming at the top of her lungs as soon as I took my shirt off, refused to nurse. I pumped for a while but I spent the entire time pumping dwelling on how I was a failure as a mother and was at serious risk for PPD because of it. I finally decided, along with DF, that having an emotionally healthy mother was more important that the breastmilk I managed to pump for her and we switched to formula full time. I still mourn the loss of our breastfeeding relationship, but know without a doubt that I did the best that I could at the time.
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