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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
On another board...something recently came up about copying cd's...cd-rom's...and DVD's. I am just wondering how everyone feels about that. I KNOW it is illegal...that isn't the issue, just opinions on the practice in general.

Christina
post #2 of 19
As I understand it, copying for your own use is NOT illegal. I make copies of the CD's my 8yr old dd likes so she can use them without my worrying about her mishandling the originals.

Also, I teach dance classes. I make CD's for class with the songs I want to use in the order I want. (You know, a get-up-and-go game, a sit-down game, a ballet song for plie's, and then maybe a dance-however-you-want song, then tap or jazz or whatever.) I believe that since I am making these copies for my own use, this is also quite legal.

I have never made a copy of a CD I own for someone else.

Ann-Marita
post #3 of 19
I have always wondered why a computer comes with the ability to copy other cd's if it is so illegal. There are legally sold machines that will copy dvd's too. If that is considered "illegal", why sell the copiers legally to the public? That is kind of like watching the "Cops" show on Saturday when they take female officer and use her as a prostitute to bust guys wanting to receive sexual favors. Unlawful Entrapment?
post #4 of 19
It's legal to make one copy as a backup. It is NOT legal to make copies and sell them or to make copies and give them to other people who sell them.
post #5 of 19
I have to deal with copyright issues all the time in my profession. I understand the issues like this:

The copyright law permits you to make one copy of software for archival/preservation purposes providing you do not intend to resell the copy or the original.

The copy you make for your personal use from a cd or dvd should be covered.

Now the copies you make for your dance class are, technically, illegal. You are using the music for a public performance and not paying r
oalties and do not have permission to use the music in this fashion. In order to legally use the music
you would need to pay ASCAP and/or RIAA fees. The issue is that this is difficult to enforce.

Copying capabilities that come with computers are intended to be used to back up the system, make archival copies of software, and to enable the user to preserve other data.

Just my understanding of the copyright.
post #6 of 19
Fortunately, most of my favorite bands actually encourage widespread distribution of their music!
post #7 of 19
Now, isn't the dance class copying legal, because she's already bought the music and is just putting the songs together in a different way on a dance tape?
post #8 of 19

Re: To copy or not to copy....

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Originally posted by Midwestenmomma
I KNOW it is illegal...
it's not a black and white issue. Canada has a surtax on al iPods, CD-R, etc, to compensate for copying, the upside being the issue of copying "content" is essentially decriminalized.

that's the nutshell version, anyway.
post #9 of 19
: No. I am not downloading Queen right now.
post #10 of 19
I used to teach dance classes too...almost all studios pay ASCAP/BMI fees and so then copying for use in class is covered. Also for performances.
post #11 of 19
Moving this to the Media Forum
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
My question came from the fact that many people post ISO's...in swaps..in trades..whatever...many of them list the cd's, dvd's and cd-rom's that they are ISO. Some of them put (COPIES FINE).

I personally don't think that major companies are after the SAHM that gets a copy of the Bob the Builder cd-rom that her kid likes from a friend or makes a copy of her Thomas the tank cd that someone else's kid might like.

Would it bother you to get a copy of a cd (etc..) ...and/or...would it bother you to make one for someone?

Christina
post #13 of 19
Regarding the question of why cd and dvd burners are sold if it's illegal to copy: I use my cd burner to save documents and files and my digital photos off my hard drive. CD's and DVDs are very usefull as back up data storage. So they aren't only used for duplicating copywrited material. I also use it to share digital photos with family.
post #14 of 19
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Midwestenmomma
[B]My question came from the fact that many people post ISO's...in swaps..in trades..whatever...many of them list the cd's, dvd's and cd-rom's that they are ISO. Some of them put (COPIES FINE). [quote]

Wait a minute here.....werent you the mama who was trying to sell COPIES of her thomas CD rom for $7.00 each at another site I frequent just this morning???? And when you were told it is illigal you said " hmmmm oh well" and still left it listed for sale? Is this you are does someone with the exact same screen name who happens to be tring to sell pirated CD roms?
post #15 of 19
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Originally posted by Midwestenmomma
I personally don't think that major companies are after the SAHM that gets a copy of the Bob the Builder cd-rom that her kid likes from a friend or makes a copy of her Thomas the tank cd that someone else's kid might like.
I guess the question is whether or not you're willing to chance it. Personally, I wouldn't place bets on who the media companies are going after knowing they've even gone after kids recently.

Not worth it, IMO, when it could mean your financial future or your kids' stability.
post #16 of 19

Re: To copy or not to copy....

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Originally posted by Midwestenmomma
I KNOW it is illegal...that isn't the issue, just opinions on the practice in general.

Christina
I'm just aghast at this...you know it's illegal. Period. Why would anyone go further than that? What kind of example are you setting? It's illegal to make copies and sell them...of DVD, VHS, CDROM, etc.

And how could anyone feel good or right about making money illegally?

Maybe I'm just naive. I don't get it. I don't get why there would even be discussion about it. Just to say, those laws are silly?

edited: and in the past, when noticed, people have been asked to amend their ISO lists due to the legality issue. At least they were asked when the first swaps were starting here.
post #17 of 19
It's illegal and I think that in regards to CDs and issues with RIAA (or whatever it is) and such ... I think it's a load of CRAP and so THATS why I flout the law.

Uhm........I'm sure I can't be the only kid who made mix tapes when I was younger. And EVERYONE swapped em. And how many people or their parents copied a VHS tape when the rented them? I mean, heck, they tried to put those little taps on VHS and it still didn't stop anyone.

The issue is an issue today because a few HUGE companies have their hands on virtually ALL media and they want every last dime of their money. I mean, have you noticed the most vocal opponents are HUGE bands, HUGE lables, and HUGE actors? Give me a break.

It's been done for ages and will continue to be done and I think it's crap they decide to make a big deal of it now.
post #18 of 19
She is not talking about selling mixed tapes, or even burning DVDs off of DVDs that she rented and using it for her own PERSONAL use. She is selling copied CD roms to mamas for $7 EACH!!! Why should this be legal? Why is it okay? Please explain this to me because I am missing the point.

As far as your post, How much money do these actors make? A lot, sure. But they also have to give up their privacy, and any normal life they could have. Does that mean we can steal from their pockets? Just because they are rich? How about the camera men, script writers, stuntmen, food cordinators, make up artists, costume designers,editors ( this list goes on and on) Is it okay to steal from them? I am sure a lot of them are normal people like you and I they just happen to make their money in the entertainment industry. I dont get why you think that its okay to steal because they are rich. Do you realize how much it costs to make a film and pay all of these people.

How would you feel if I took all of your posts on this board, published them, bound them and sold them for $15 a book? How would you feel about ME making money off of your words?
I dont think that would fly with you

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Originally posted by anothermama
It's illegal and I think that in regards to CDs and issues with RIAA (or whatever it is) and such ... I think it's a load of CRAP and so THATS why I flout the law.

Uhm........I'm sure I can't be the only kid who made mix tapes when I was younger. And EVERYONE swapped em. And how many people or their parents copied a VHS tape when the rented them? I mean, heck, they tried to put those little taps on VHS and it still didn't stop anyone.

The issue is an issue today because a few HUGE companies have their hands on virtually ALL media and they want every last dime of their money. I mean, have you noticed the most vocal opponents are HUGE bands, HUGE lables, and HUGE actors? Give me a break.

It's been done for ages and will continue to be done and I think it's crap they decide to make a big deal of it now.
post #19 of 19
Quote:
Originally posted by anothermama
It's illegal and I think that in regards to CDs and issues with RIAA (or whatever it is) and such ... I think it's a load of CRAP and so THATS why I flout the law.
Why do you think it's a load of crap (besides the obvious - that you apparently feel you're entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor without compensating them for it)?
Maybe you could try looking at it from an artist's point of view. For instance, my uncle is an incredible jazz guitarist. He saved for 2 years to pay for studio time to record and produce his own album. He wrote all of his own songs, played all of the instruments, sang, did all of the mixing. Is it fair to him for someone to buy his album and then make the songs available on the internet for other people to download, so they don't have to buy it? (And this has happened, btw).


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Uhm........I'm sure I can't be the only kid who made mix tapes when I was younger. And EVERYONE swapped em. And how many people or their parents copied a VHS tape when the rented them? I mean, heck, they tried to put those little taps on VHS and it still didn't stop anyone.
So because everyone does it, that makes it right? That statement reminds me of the NPR program I heard the other day about our "cheating" culture. It was all about how so many people cheat and steal (including pirating music) these days because it's generally accepted by society or even necessary in order to keep one's self on a level playing field. It's really sad, IMO, that that sort of behavior is somehow considered acceptable. It really leads to a general degradation of society's standards... and there's no getting off that path if people continue to do the same 'ol thing citing the excuse, "Well, everyone does it!"

And, btw, there's a bit of a difference between mixed tapes and having the ability to pirate entire albums. It's still illegal, but at least hearing one song on a mixed tape that goes from one friend to another is sometimes (or even often) the impetus for going out and buying a complete album.

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The issue is an issue today because a few HUGE companies have their hands on virtually ALL media and they want every last dime of their money. I mean, have you noticed the most vocal opponents are HUGE bands, HUGE lables, and HUGE actors? Give me a break.
The one good thing that this whole music pirating debacle has done is make the corporations realize that they need to stop inflating the prices of media. There's a lot of talk now (and some action) about CD prices going down......

Regardless, though, inflated prices and the fact that someone's winning big is still no excuse to steal. Especially now when you can legally download an entire album off of iTunes for a really reasonable price.

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It's been done for ages and will continue to be done and I think it's crap they decide to make a big deal of it now.
I'm so glad that this hasn't been said of all moral issues our society has faced. Imagine where we'd be now....
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