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post #1 of 25
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I received a call from DS's teacher's at school today. The one that called said that DS had been scratching his penis all day and saying that it was "itchy" but wasn't painful. They finally took him into the bathroom to look at it (which I completely understand) and then "looked at the inside of his penis" (which I am a bit ticked off about). They told me that it looked "quite red on the inside". Whatever that means. I took it to mean they retracted him, but didn't press for answers.

He just turned three, and his foreskin is beginning to retract a bit when he is in the bath, or when he sits on the potty too long while pooping and he is playing with his penis. He doesn't complain of it hurting, but I can see the bright pink part inside (can't remember the name of that part at the moment), and I know it is all normal looking and he is doing just fine.

I just put him to bed and asked him what his teachers did to him when he said his penis was itchy, and he listed three of his teachers and said they put gloves on and looked at the inside of his penis. He did say that what they did didn't hurt him, but I am irritated that they "looked inside" at all. Also, why on earth would three teachers need to retract him to look at how red it might be?

Next week is his last week there, so I don't want to cause too many waves, and I told him tonight to tell his teachers "Please don't touch my penis" if they try to do it again. I also told him that only he was allowed to look at the inside of his penis, and I think he seemed to get that.

Unfortunately, I made a doctor's appointment without seeing him, just going on what the teachers had said. When I realized it was nothing to worry about, the office was closed, and we are the first appointment of the day tomorrow morning. I want to cancel it, but can't at this point. No idea what to do about that.

Any suggestions on what to say to the teachers? The doctor? Ack!
post #2 of 25
Call now and leave a message. They'll get it in the morning and call if there are any questions.
Grr at the teachers. Are you going to talk to them about how !very! Inappropriate what they did was?
post #3 of 25
I would be livid. I would be threatening lawsuits. Mostly because I don't think a teacher had any business touching my children in that kind of personal way, beyond what is necessary for helping with pottying. If they have a concern, they should be calling me, and letting me handle it. It is not appropriate for teachers to be examining a child about any potential medical problem-- that's not their job. It raises a whole bunch of red flags for me, honestly.
post #4 of 25
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I am going to talk to the teachers, but I want to be gentle. I have had HUGE issues with them in the past and they have been making a serious effort to be a bit better. I am 100% positive that they didn't know that they shouldn't be "looking inside" his penis, but I am definitely going to talk to them. I did say at pick-up today that I am pretty sure his foreskin is beginning to separate so that is most likely why it is feeling "itchy" (hoping this is the only reason).

I am planning to tell them that I looked at it and it looks just fine. The "redness" is just what it looks like, and is completely normal not red in any irritated way. I am also going to tell them that it can be dangerous to pull back on the foreskin in any way. I don't want to say that what they did was dangerous, just that it can be dangerous for anyone to pull back on it other than him. Hopefully that will get it across without me sounding like I am going to come after them with anything else. I want to protect him, but I also just want to get out of there next Thursday (his last day) without making any more enemies.
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Llyra View Post
I would be livid. I would be threatening lawsuits. Mostly because I don't think a teacher had any business touching my children in that kind of personal way, beyond what is necessary for helping with pottying. If they have a concern, they should be calling me, and letting me handle it. It is not appropriate for teachers to be examining a child about any potential medical problem-- that's not their job. It raises a whole bunch of red flags for me, honestly.
I can understand where you are coming from, but I also understand where they were coming from. He was complaining that it was "itchy" and they wanted to see what was going on. I feel completely comfortable with them *looking*, just not with them retracting. If a child is complaining of any other body part "itching", I would totally expect a teacher to look to see what is going on before calling a parent. It might be something as simple as a hair wrapped around his penis, or something in his underwear rubbing in a funny way.

I honestly believe they were trying to figure out what was going on. They know I am a single parent, and that it is hard for me to leave my job, so they do try to not call me if possible. They also called me as soon as they realized something was up, and they looked before calling. I am just frustrated that they didn't know that they shouldn't retract, and am planning to talk to them about it tomorrow. It is so irritating that most people think that it is ok to just pull the foreskin back whenever. I am more angry at society in general than the teachers and am going to try to educate them as well as I can, as gently as I can tomorrow.
post #6 of 25
I would have called the cops not even kidding, lawsuit you betcha and Ive never tried to do that to anyone. they are NOTTTTTTTTTT friggin doctors, they should have never ever ever done that! oh man...
post #7 of 25
While I know you are trying to sympathize with the teachers mama, I would be very concerned about this.

What message is this sending to your ds? That it is ok for others to touch him there. That is a scary message!

Inappropriate touching especially by a teacher is something he might carry with him forever, even if it didn't hurt.
post #8 of 25
I know of no teacher that would inspect the interior of a little girl's genitals. In fact, I can't even imagine any teacher that would retract my ds and inspect him. This goes way above and beyond what I could even fathom as being on the table for appropriateness. I would be outraged.

I think it is something you need to make waves about or at least do your best to educate them. What if they "inspect" a little boy who isn't already starting to retract and damage him?

I too would be very concerned about the message your ds got from this. Making waves about it would show your ds that what they did was wrong.
post #9 of 25
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I know of no teacher that would inspect the interior of a little girl's genitals.
This. I have girls. If one of them told me that their teacher put gloves on and looked "inside down there," yeah, there would be hell to pay.
post #10 of 25
An equivalent action on a female child would be considered sexual abuse. I don't understand why our male children aren't protected as well as the girls.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I understand having to not make waves until you can get him out of there. Just one more week, right?

How frustrating!
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin_Pie View Post
I can understand where you are coming from, but I also understand where they were coming from. He was complaining that it was "itchy" and they wanted to see what was going on. I feel completely comfortable with them *looking*, just not with them retracting. If a child is complaining of any other body part "itching", I would totally expect a teacher to look to see what is going on before calling a parent. It might be something as simple as a hair wrapped around his penis, or something in his underwear rubbing in a funny way.

I honestly believe they were trying to figure out what was going on. They know I am a single parent, and that it is hard for me to leave my job, so they do try to not call me if possible. They also called me as soon as they realized something was up, and they looked before calling. I am just frustrated that they didn't know that they shouldn't retract, and am planning to talk to them about it tomorrow. It is so irritating that most people think that it is ok to just pull the foreskin back whenever. I am more angry at society in general than the teachers and am going to try to educate them as well as I can, as gently as I can tomorrow.
I think you are probably right - they were doing their best and didn't know any better. It doesn't sound like they have much experience with intact penises. Maybe it would be a good idea to print out and give the teacher something on "intact care" so they can see from an "authoritative" source that they should never retract other people's foreskins, and that the glans is actually supposed to be red?
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by hippiemommaof4 View Post
I would have called the cops not even kidding, lawsuit you betcha and Ive never tried to do that to anyone. they are NOTTTTTTTTTT friggin doctors, they should have never ever ever done that! oh man...
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Originally Posted by Eclipse95 View Post
I know of no teacher that would inspect the interior of a little girl's genitals. In fact, I can't even imagine any teacher that would retract my ds and inspect him. This goes way above and beyond what I could even fathom as being on the table for appropriateness. I would be outraged.

I think it is something you need to make waves about or at least do your best to educate them. What if they "inspect" a little boy who isn't already starting to retract and damage him?

I too would be very concerned about the message your ds got from this. Making waves about it would show your ds that what they did was wrong.
I agree here what the Dr. did boarders on sexual abuse and was potentially very damaging to your ds. Why would you just let it go? Please for the sake of other little boys out there do something about this. If you dont the next little boy might end up with paraphimosis and an unnecessary circ because of it.
post #13 of 25
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While I know you are trying to sympathize with the teachers mama, I would be very concerned about this.

What message is this sending to your ds? That it is ok for others to touch him there. That is a scary message!

Inappropriate touching especially by a teacher is something he might carry with him forever, even if it didn't hurt.
I definitely had a very good conversation with him about it last night. I asked him in a few different ways about what happened to him, and I think I have a pretty good idea of exactly what happened (multiple teachers retracting enough to see the tip of his glans). I also explained to him that he is the only one who should ever touch his penis in that way and that if any of his teachers try to touch his penis again, he is to say "Please don't touch my penis". I think that is about as much info that I can get into him at this point (he just turned three last month). The rest of it is going to be info for his teachers.

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Originally Posted by Eclipse95 View Post
I know of no teacher that would inspect the interior of a little girl's genitals. In fact, I can't even imagine any teacher that would retract my ds and inspect him. This goes way above and beyond what I could even fathom as being on the table for appropriateness. I would be outraged.

I think it is something you need to make waves about or at least do your best to educate them. What if they "inspect" a little boy who isn't already starting to retract and damage him?

I too would be very concerned about the message your ds got from this. Making waves about it would show your ds that what they did was wrong.
Honestly, if I talk to the teachers, I will do it when he is not there. He only has a week left there and I have already told him that what they did was not ok, and I don't want to make him feel uncomfortable in class for these last few days. I understand where you are coming from, and I will definitely have a conversation with them today when I drop him off, but not in front of him.
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Originally Posted by Ann-Marita View Post
An equivalent action on a female child would be considered sexual abuse. I don't understand why our male children aren't protected as well as the girls.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I understand having to not make waves until you can get him out of there. Just one more week, right?

How frustrating!
I think the thing here is that they are uneducated about intact penises. I wish there was a way to have much more broad public education about what is ok with regards to intact penis care and what is not ok. Clearly most adults would never do that to a little girl, but so many just don't know what to do with boys. I wonder if I could call the health department and start some sort of class for childcare providers? That is something I would definitely love to look into.
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I think you are probably right - they were doing their best and didn't know any better. It doesn't sound like they have much experience with intact penises. Maybe it would be a good idea to print out and give the teacher something on "intact care" so they can see from an "authoritative" source that they should never retract other people's foreskins, and that the glans is actually supposed to be red?
Great idea. I think they just had no idea that it is supposed to be red. I am going to talk to them today, and hopefully that will help.
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I agree here what they did boarders on sexual abuse and was potentially very damaging to your ds. Why would you just let it go? Please for the sake of other little boys out there do something about this. If you dont the next little boy might end up with paraphimosis and an unnecessary circ because of it.
I am not going to just let it go. I stated upthread that I am going to talk to them as gently as I can, but also want to get the info that they need without sounding like I am accusing them of anything.
post #14 of 25
I think they should have called you first - especially since it was his penis and not a finger that was itching! You would have been able to explain to them why (its starting to retract and its normal for it to itch a bit).

Also, is there a school nurse at this school? Because that is probably the person who should have been checking it out - NOT the teachers!

I also think that you are going to be handling it in a way that makes you comfortable - and thats ok. I would just make sure to have a continuing dialogue with your son (not about this specific instance, but just generally which you probably already do) about how other people should not be touching his penis, and that he can always always always tell you about it and that you will never be angry with him. Again, it sounds like you've done a great job with this incident and I'm sure you'll keep it up.

I would make certain that the teachers know that in the future they shouldn't touch ANY boy's penis. And, I find it really hard to believe that they think its ok - I'm not a teacher but I have worked in environments with kids alot and I know that's absolutely unacceptable (penis, vagina, whatever - touching a kid in that way is unacceptable - circ'd, uncirc'd something else, it doesn't matter!). I would have a conversation with their supervisor if thats a possibility about maybe doing some training if thats really the case.
post #15 of 25
not ok, not ok at all. ITA, with pp! mama, would you be ok with this if it were a girl?
post #16 of 25
I would be calling and having a learning time with the facility about NOT retracting boys. If they didn't know then you really can't fault them. I would hope the only real experience with penises these teacher have are adult fully retractile penises. So even if they recognized your son is intact, they didn't think moving the foreskin was a big deal.

I would call the principle and let her know what happened and that you would like to see the teachers be taught not to retract in case this happens again, maybe to another boy.

I wonder why they didn't just send him to the nurse? I know if a little boy came to me and said his penis itched enough to disrupt his day I would just send him to the nurse! Maybe take a peek to be sure he has his underwear is on the right way and his tag isn't itching him (this has happened before) Other than that, I wouldn't want to dig around any anyone's pants.
post #17 of 25
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I would be calling and having a learning time with the facility about NOT retracting boys. If they didn't know then you really can't fault them. I would hope the only real experience with penises these teacher have are adult fully retractile penises. So even if they recognized your son is intact, they didn't think moving the foreskin was a big deal.
See, I don't agree with this. I think that anybody who works closely with small children cannot afford to be uninformed about the proper care of children. If they are uninformed, it is their fault, and they should be held accountable. They can potentially do real and permanent harm to a little boy, acting in ignorance. And I still maintain that nobody, NOBODY, has the right to touch your little child's genitals without your explicit consent, even for the best of intentions, outside of routine necessary helping with toileting and/or diapering. And anybody who's working in a capacity where they are routinely helping little children with personal functions should be expected to be fully informed about how to do so.
post #18 of 25
Lets see, if this was a little girl with an itchy vulva would they have done the same? I would be calling them on them on this!

What if they had pulled her labia apart and seen redness? If a girl was itchy they might have done a quick peek but not by 3 people.

They should have called you and talk to your son's itchy penis issue not giving a simi-medical exam.
post #19 of 25
First off...the head of the penis is called the glans . Second the reason for more than one teacher inspecting the itchy aspect is so that no one can cry wolf. And you would all be shocked beyond meassure and will never want your infant son in a day care setting if you only knew how little maintstream teachers know about foreskin! I worked in a toddler room after high school and through college and would sometimes go down during naptime to help out with infants to keep everything in ratio. Well, the infant teachers were talking about foreskin and how "unclean" it is for the babies. One woman actually said if she PULLED back the skin you would see urine crystal all up under there. I was young and didn't know better. Now if I heard that I would have made a note and brought it to the attention of the director. If only she knew that the foreskin actually seals shut the opening to keep everything there clean and healthy!

I would be irriatated and upset if that happened with my son. I don't know if I would go so far as a lawsuit. BUT would give them some info on proper handling of the inatact child.
post #20 of 25
How'd the meeting go today?
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