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post #1 of 14
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So, my daughter is 4.5 and attends pre-k 20 hours a week. She is an only child living with me and her papi. she is a very verbal girl, very sweet and really just a pretty normal kid. No tantrums really, listens well. But this past week has been epic for us.

The few tantrums my daughter has had haven't been to severe. Some crying, screaming for about 45 seconds and that was it. I can count on one hand how many she has had. When she cries hysterically she does this crazy breath holding thing. Our pediatrician said lots of kids do it and she won't kill herself because her body will force herself to breathe. I found a trick that works. If she does it I just gently blow in her face and it would force her to take a breath and she calmed down. Well, this week has been so weird.

She has always been a good sleeper. Sleeping throught the night at around 4 weeks (8 hours). She co slept for 3 years and now she starts off in her room and sometimes will come in around 4am, and sometimes stay in her room. When she goes to bed, we read a story, cuddle for about ten minutes, then leave some music on for her and a night light. Well the other day she wouldn't go to bed, kept playing with her baby, so she knows our rule, you play and not sleep, no music. So I turned off the music, kept the light on and went to bed. About 45 minutes I heard this weird noise, so I listed and didn't hear it again. Then about 15 minutes later I heard it again and I went to check on her and all of a sudden her door flies open so fast it knocked things off the wall and she comes hauling butt out of her room with her hands in the air screaming. She runs out into the living room looking for me, but I call her from the hallway and she turns around and as I go to pick her up, she is doing the not breathing thing. The only way I can describe it is that her eyes get super big, her mouth is open and she looks like she is crying so bad she can't make a noise and can't breathe. She doesn't shake, she almost convulses. Well I pick her up talk to her and within 10 seconds she breathes and I can start to calm her down (I sit her in my lap facing me with her legs around my waist. I wrap her in a blanket tightly and shhhh in her ear). Finally I get her conherent enough to talk and she told me that her bear looked like it moved and that she had been crying for almost an hour. and hour!!!!! I would never leave my kid to cry like that. i mean, a fuss for a few minutes, sure, but never to cry that long! So she came into bed with us and tossed and turned all night long. I woke up with her every hour. So unlike her. She has also been waking up coughing in the morning and I have to make an appointment with the allergist.

Well last night was epic. Everything was fine. She was getting ready for bed ad I was i the bathroom with her combing her hair. I accidentally caught a snarl and it scared her. So she started crying because I imagined it hurt ad it scared her. I immediately cuddled her and said "mummy is very sorry, are you okay?" She told me that she was scared by the snarl and then all of a sudden she started the convulsing type thing and I knew she was going to do the breath holding. So I pick her up and she is mouth open, mid scream, red face, heart racing, eyes wild. I try my usual tricks to get her to stop and it doesn't work. I am not one to freak out, so I just firmly pat her on the back, because sometime that works, and nothing. It only got worse. The shaking/convulsing got worse, and I yelled for my husband. I was near tears saying "she won't breathe, M please breathe"She went purple and wouldn't breathe for nearly a minute. It was terrifying. Normally I am pretty calm, but I had to hand her off, because I didn't know what to do. The second my husband got her, she breathed. I near called 911. When we finally got her quiet so told me it was because i had scared her while combing her because the tangle hurt. wtf! But why go so crazy?

It was the scariest thing in my life. i am unsure if this is something that kids just do. Is it a tantrum, a panic attack?
post #2 of 14
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She went purple and wouldn't breathe for nearly a minute
There is a stress-induced heart problem which can cause this. I believe you should lay her on her left side and keep her calm when this starts.

Someone else will know the name, I think. I read about it here a few years ago.
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by SleeplessMommy View Post
There is a stress-induced heart problem which can cause this. I believe you should lay her on her left side and keep her calm when this starts.

Someone else will know the name, I think. I read about it here a few years ago.
she has two murmurs to
post #4 of 14
It doesn't sound to me like she is doing the not breathing on purpose. If she were purposely holding her breath, her mouth wouldn't be open. The convulsions would scare me and make me want to make sure she wasn't having any type of seizures. And I'd follow up on the stress induced heart thing. The fact that it happens when she's scared, not mad, also makes me think she cant control it! Kids who hold their breath do it when they are mad. She's scared, I would insist that the doctor look into it further or get a new doctor.
post #5 of 14
Wow, that sounds really scary mama. ((Hugs to you))

My 2.5yo does the breath-holding too, but like Anglyn says, she does it when she is angry, not scared. It is horrible, so I totally feel you there. It doesn't usually happen out of the blue like that, either - there's usually a clear buildup to it before it starts.

I'd definitely ask around at the ped and request (demand) some follow-up. Please let us know what you find out.
post #6 of 14
i see mama that you started writing murmurs. heart murmurs. i hope you were/are at the ER or ped and got dd checked out. holding your family in my prayers.
post #7 of 14
i found a link ... have her tested for anemia, and maybe the doctor will want to try a holter monitor to capture one of the spells.

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec23/ch269/ch269g.html
post #8 of 14
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i see mama that you started writing murmurs. heart murmurs. i hope you were/are at the ER or ped and got dd checked out. holding your family in my prayers.
Once it was over, she was fine. I mean absolutely fine. It took her about ten minutes and then she calmed down and went to sleep. she slept in with us the whole night so we could keep an eye. I am calling the ped right now.

But ever since then she has been okay, well physically. Something is just not right with her right now, she is very emotional, very touching. I talked with her teacher (she goes to pre-k) and she said she is very whiny lately, but that is developmentally where she should be at this age. She was telling me that how a lot of the child development books really don't go into the emotional growth that a child of this age does and a lot of people don't understand it. She said that she doesn't look like she is acting anyway out of the ordinary. My mother is convinced that something is scaring her in her room, but my mother is always convinced it is something environmental and not something with HER.

The good thing is that I have a wonderful doctor. I know I can trust him, so I am going to give him a call once the office phone stops being busy(anytime I go to call right when they open up it's always busy). He is very gentle, didn't bat an eyelash when I told him about our vax feelings, our child lead weaning, co sleeping and no spanking. I mean he is totally pro vax, ever since I told him how we vax he only went through his little pro vax spiel once and it never comes up unless i ask.

Thanks everyone!
post #9 of 14
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we have an appointment tomorrow at 3pm with her doctor.
the nurse sounded VERY concerned and we are to call 911 if she does it again.
now i feel like a dolt because we didn't when she got all crazy.

She was all going on about how I have to give her rescue breaths if she does it again.

okay, now i am terrified.
post #10 of 14
My friend's daughter used to do something like this. Sometimes when she got upset, especially if she was tired, she would do this breath holding (involuntary) and have what looked like a seizure. Afterward, she would sleep a lot and be kind of emotionally fragile. I forget what it was, but she did outgrow it by the time she was six or so. It was VERY scary at the time.

Sending MANY good thoughts your way!
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by TulsiLeaf View Post
we have an appointment tomorrow at 3pm with her doctor.
the nurse sounded VERY concerned and we are to call 911 if she does it again.
now i feel like a dolt because we didn't when she got all crazy.

She was all going on about how I have to give her rescue breaths if she does it again.

okay, now i am terrified.
remember you conveyed this over the phone. so pbably for the nurse it sounds even worse. which is why i guess she said call 911. not so much as omg things are BAD, but just to make sure she can breathe... or that if some medical thing was happening the paramedics machines could catch something.

please keep us posted how things went.

listen to you gut. dont let anything make you believe otherwise. fully satisfy your gut instinct and dont rest until you do.

hang in there mama.
post #12 of 14
Not speaking to the breathing/convulsing.... but the fear that brought it on is pretty normal for this age group. at about 5 my daughter became scared of things, couldn't fall asleep on her own and worried about scary books in her room. (We hid all the dinosaur books)
post #13 of 14
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update

we went to the doctor. thank god, she is fine.

it is actually something called Breath holding. He even gave us a hand out on it

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weekl...eath_hldng.htm

We had a wonderful conversation with him and I feel very confident in what he said (he might be more mainstream than we are, but he is rather similar in parenting to us) and I do not feel the need to google. THank goddess.
post #14 of 14
WOW just WOW!!!!

OMG that would just totally FREAK me out.

WOW!!!!

ah well though. now you know you have an extremely stubborn little girl on your hands

and you know you dont have to worry about her future. she IS going to make it. if she is as tenacious as this - man this child is sooooo going to do exactly what she wishes when she is an adult.

and yes that fear is normal for their age. their imagination actually goes against them. they freak themselves out, till they are emotionally old enough to handle it. those fears i call imagination growth spurts.
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