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post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by Adventuredad View Post
Neither option is any good IMHO.

- Using a regular sea belt in front seat WITHOUT airbag offer, or deactivated with key/swich, the same safety as rear seat. This has been shown years ago.

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NOT for a FF child.
post #22 of 33
My 5 year old cousin became a quadriplegic in Decemeber when she was in an accident and was only restrained by a lap belt. Her accident was approx. 4 miles from her home and going at city speed limits.

There is no situation where I'd ever put my child in a lap only belt, especially this young. I'm sorry, but I had to share our story because it can be a very serious danger.
post #23 of 33
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Originally Posted by Erica09M View Post
My 5 year old cousin became a quadriplegic in Decemeber when she was in an accident and was only restrained by a lap belt. Her accident was approx. 4 miles from her home and going at city speed limits.

There is no situation where I'd ever put my child in a lap only belt, especially this young. I'm sorry, but I had to share our story because it can be a very serious danger.
As sad as it is, I am very aware that kids die and are injured in all sorts of ways, in all sorts of situations, including when they are in properly installed car seats. Anecdotes like this one frighten and horrify me, but I can't let them dictate how I act. If I did, I'd have to follow my child around, never letting her out of my sight, never letting her climb trees or swing on swings or play in the ocean, for fear that something might go wrong. I can't live my life that way, and DD doesn't deserve to live her life that way.
post #24 of 33
Right, well the point is, lap belts are not safe for anyone, and it greatly increases your risk of injury. Letting her climb trees or swim is not even remotely similar in terms of risk.
post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by no5no5 View Post
We won't be driving on the highway, or going more than 30 mph, or 35 at the most. Maybe that doesn't make any difference
That doesn't make any difference at all. I know it's just another story but when I was a teen a friend of mine and her older sister were driving to school (older sister was driving). They lived in the country and made it *just* down the road from their house (could literally still see their house). There was an accident and my friend died It doesn't matter how far from home you are or how fast you are going. Accidents can be deadly at any speed, at any time.
post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Right, well the point is, lap belts are not safe for anyone, and it greatly increases your risk of injury. Letting her climb trees or swim is not even remotely similar in terms of risk.
In our state, drowning is the number one cause of death in preschool-aged children.

But my point isn't what is safe or not safe. I am naturally a worrier, and I am prone to panic when I hear stories like that. Perhaps for that reason, anecdotes don't do anything to persuade me. I'm not saying that I'm going to put my kid in a lap-only belt. I'm just saying that I'm not going to not do it simply because of what happened to somebody's cousin.
post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by no5no5 View Post
In our state, drowning is the number one cause of death in preschool-aged children.

But my point isn't what is safe or not safe. I am naturally a worrier, and I am prone to panic when I hear stories like that. Perhaps for that reason, anecdotes don't do anything to persuade me. I'm not saying that I'm going to put my kid in a lap-only belt. I'm just saying that I'm not going to not do it simply because of what happened to somebody's cousin.
But, would you let your preschooler take a bath by herself? Go swimming without a lifeguard or a responsible adult with her? Leave her unattended by a lake? That could be comparable to making sure she's properly secured in a car. You could let her ride without a car seat, or just in a lap belt, and she might be fine just like she might not drown in a bath tub unsupervised. But you're still going to try to prevent it by supervising, kwim?
post #28 of 33
The reason people feel compelled to share our stories, and I'm another one who has done so many times, is that our lives have been impacted by a tragedy that has a lesson. In most cases, these things could have been prevented. We share the stories when we hope that our tragedy could prevent another from happening. I have a mom right now in my car seat tech class who wants to become a tech so she can help other parents make better choices and not have to have their child go through these sort of injuries.

It's somewhat irrelevant if it's drowning or crashes that are the leading cause of death in your state. Nation wide, car crashes are the leading cause of death and injury. For every 6 deaths there are 300 injured severely enough to be hospitalized. As Adventuredad said, most of those crashes happen at low speeds, close to home. I'm sure that car crashes are the leading cause of severe injury in your state. Improper use of car seats and belts are a real risk. When parents choose to dismiss this fact, they are exposing their child to greater risk.

Obviously, as a parent, that is your choice to make, but I think the posters are just trying to explain that low-speeds, state statistics, etc. do not change the risk you would be exposing your child to. I'm sorry you have to make these tough choices! It's a hard thing to decide when parents are stuck with these options. FWIW- we will sell our seats at our cost to parents that don't qualify as low-income. For a Maestro, that would bring it down a fair amount off of retail. It's our goal for all children to have access to safer seats, regardless of their parents economic situation. Best of luck!
post #29 of 33
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I mentioned that drowning is the leading cause of death in my state for preschoolers in response to Aurora's statement that swimming is not remotely as risky as riding in a car in a lap belt, not to try to suggest that it is appropriate to totally disregard automobile safety.

I have all the sympathy in the world for those who have had loved ones killed or injured in car crashes. But it makes me angry when people try to use tragic stories and fear to convince me of the right way to act. Overselling something can backfire, and this is probably just one of those things for me. I grew up with people constantly telling me not to do something because of tragic stories and fear, and often the things they told me not to do were ridiculous (never put a pen in your shirt pocket, never take a bath while you have your period, never wear your hair in a braid, etc.). I just don't accept anecdotes as a valid form of argument anymore.
post #30 of 33
Yes, drownings are a leading cause of death of toddlers. Riding in a lap belt would roughly be the equivalent of "ok honey, have fun at the pool, see you in a couple hours", not supervised swimming.

Well, anecdotes aside, many people have given you many reason to rethink your car seat situation, so hopefully you will take some of it to heart.
post #31 of 33
Well mama, I'd put my debt snowball on hold for a month or 2 to save up the $$ for a safer seat. We have done it in the past and would do it again. When DS2 was born, we needed to figure out how to fit 3 across in our only family vehicle, a 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I poured over carseat.org and here, I measured EVERYTHING trying to figure out the best fit and what to do, and then DH and I stopped our debt snowball for 2 months to save up the money for a Radian65 b/c it was the only seat that would fit between the seats we already had.

In your situation, I would do it again, b/c while your debt repayment may be prolonged by a few months, your child's life and safety, AND YOUR life and safety are important. While you're willing to assume the risks of riding in the rear with a lap belt only, you are irreplaceable to your family, just as your child is. I always consider safety a priority over debt repayment (and I'm talking true safety here, not just, "oh the newest greatest carseat just came out and I want a new one to replace the still functioning, still safe seat we currently use" safety)
post #32 of 33
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I just went out & bought a Maestro. It fits great, and DD loves her new cup holders. Thanks all.
post #33 of 33
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