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post #1 of 23
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On Sunday, I took DD to her father's for her weekly visit with him. Considering the fact that his last contact with me was a voicemail accusing me of being a lying ***** and promising to ruin my relationship with my daughter once she's old enough, I thought the exchange went swimmingly. We were polite; no harsh words were exchanged. DD happily ran into STBX's building, and he seemed very flattered by this.

I come back to pick her up 3.5 hours later, and just as I'm parking I receive a text from STBX saying that DD got "a bloody nose" at the playground but that she's ok and "resting". When he brings her down to me, she's covered in dried or drying blood, and to a certain extent, so is he. Her nose is caked with blood and she's totally mouth breathing.

Now, I understand that toddlers are rambunctious and that accidents happen, but when STBX explained that she face planted right into a little concrete wall divider, I thought to myself "um, weren't you watching her?". As bad as it looked, DD seemed fine and intent on playing some more.

Now, I didn't freak out and I didn't make a huge deal out of this, seeing as we are exactly a week away from going to court, and I see no point in creating more tension between us, especially in front of DD. STBX seems genuinely concerned and asked me to text him later on to tell him how DD was doing. That's all well and good, but...would you have been angry if you were in my shoes? He didn't even attempt to clean her up!

STBX only sees DD once a week for 3.5 hours, and every time she returns from his place, she's either starving, thirsty, dirty and she hasn't been changed. This time, she comes back to me covered in blood. Am I being a mama hen to be...pretty peeved at him about this?
post #2 of 23
No, and I probably dont even have to ASK that you are using photographs to document all of this.

I would be furious if that is how my child was every time I left him with his father, and we are MARRIED and co parenting 24/7.
post #3 of 23
Well...I don't think I'd be mad that she fell and got a bloody nose, accidents happen, but I would be frustrated that no attempts were made to clean her up or make her feel better. I think it's sweet that he took her to a playground instead of keeping her at his house watching tv or something.
post #4 of 23
I would document and take pictures of before/after. Honestly i think some men don't think about cleaning up kids after playing the way some mom's do and even vice versa. With such a short time to play/visit he is probably more intent on getting alot of play time and then finds that time has already run out. 3.5 hrs isn't much with an active toddler. Yes he should've cleaned her up but caring for her while crying and then dealing with getting everything together to meet back up with you probably happened all at once.

I just wanted to say you might want to change your title for those that are sensitive. Child and bloody is rather triggering for some.
post #5 of 23
Yes, he should have cleaned her up.

If it was a one-time incident, no, I wouldn't be that mortified by it. Kids fall and get hurt, even when people are supervising.

But it sounds like she is not being very well-cared for at many visits, so yes, I would document every time she comes back hungry, dirty, thirsty, etc.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ok thanks for your input mamas. Documentation was taken, just in case, and I do journal every single interaction we have had, because STBX has made threats to me in the past (and he's got addiction issues).

FTR, I have no idea how to change thread titles, only the body of the text. My apologies for triggering any negative reactions.
post #7 of 23
Edit the original post to edit the title.
post #8 of 23
first i would be soooooo grateful that he is happy with 3.5 hours once a week.

anything more and i would be really concerned.

yeah those things are frustrating but on the whole - it really isnt a big deal for me.

you guys have not been coparenting that long have you? i forget your history. a few weeks or a couple of months?

it all shows he is having a hard time being a dad. and seeing most men and with a toddler and my own experience they take a LOOONG time to figure things out. so i would much rather give him the benefit of the doubt.

what matters most to me from what i read in your post is that your dd happily goes over to daddy's. THAT is key. she is not scared. she is now cowering saying she doesnt want to go.

anything else just shows he is struggling to be a responsible parent. he loves her. you can see that. that is key.

you know looking back i was exactly in your shoes. ex struggled to handle dd as a toddler. i wasted so much of my energy and focus on feeling mad adn sad. and seriously it was a waste. i knew he loved her even though he continues to be verbally abusive to me. it took him a LOOONG time to figure out how to be the nurturing father dd needed. somewhat. not a 100% but he tries.

you have absolutely every right to be peeved at him. you have a great understanding and attitude towards what's going on. all i am saying is divert your energy elsewhere ya know. you really cant do anything about it. actually you dont want to do anything about it. just give him teh space adn time. things are already bad between the two of you. let a little more time pass and then talk to him through your dd's perspective. she wants this. anythign you say now will be seen as judgement and will fall on deaf ears, or worse more ammunition to be angry at you.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
meemee...you're right, I am grateful he doesn't want more time, though I guess we'll truly see what he wants when we go to court next Monday. So far, he's been content with me driving DD over on Sunday afternoons and then taking her back home. He gave up weekday visits 2 months ago saying it was my fault, but never mentioned it again afterwards.

As for him having a hard time being a dad...he has had 3 other children to "practice" on, one of whom he claims to have raised by himself for a few years. You'd think he'd be a bit better at this by now...

In any case, I am glad that DD is happy to go see him. I want her to have a good relationship with him, I just don't know most of the time if he's interested or not.
post #10 of 23
I doubt you'll like my response much, but....

you say she was covered in dried and drying blood, but was seemed fine and ready to play more. If the blood was still wet the injury was pretty recent. If she was calm and wanting to play, that means he had comforted her and gotten her settled down, right? So maybe he just didn't want to upset her again right away by washing her face? If it were me, in that situation, with my 2 yr old, I'd let him play a bit before dealing with the face washing. Also, at the playground, he may not have had easy access to water/washcloths for cleaning her up anyway..

As for the rest of the dirty/hungry/thirsty...it really depends. Kids get dirty, and different people are going to have different standards. You can't go into court complaining about a messy face after a short visit. Hungry/thirsty? Depends, again. Does he offer her food/drink? Can't make a toddler eat/drink, and she may well be waiting for you to come get her before eating/drinking.

I know the guy is a UAV, I'm not trying to defend him needlessly. But it seems like he's going to be around, and you're going to have to find a way to let the little stuff go, or you'll make yourself nuts.
post #11 of 23
I don't know anything at all about your situation. But some evenings I look at my children and am truly shocked!

We have been playing outside all day, feet are dirty, I never got around to getting that food spot off her cheek, etc. Sometimes when you are playing and having fun, you just don't see the dirty hands, feet and faces!

Could you pack a bag of healthy snacks and a juice cup? I know it might be annoying to have to do that ... but it might at least solve one of the problems.

And a bath might be a nice transition back to Mommy's house. Perhaps a ritual with special bath salts or something, even.
post #12 of 23
No, I wouldn't be that upset, given what you described. If she's routinely coming back hungry or thirsty, I would try (and believe me, I know this can be delicate and hard to do w/o starting WW III) to gently suggest that sometimes, especially when she's been playing hard, she needs a little extra drink & snack. But given that it's such a brief visit, I really don't think there's much danger of her seriously becoming dehydrated or malnourished. The bloody nose thing - it can happen with perfectly reasonable supervision. My kids come back from outings with the au pair, playdates, or even preschool wiped out, messy and occasionally a bit banged up.

Sometimes parents who haven't done much of the hands-on parenting really don't notice. These are skills he may not have developed. I'm not trying to be difficult, just offering ideas. Once I was able to make gentle suggestions to my X without things turning into a blowout, things improved. I do it very sparingly, saving it for the more important items, and it's worked out well - he now almost always takes my suggestions, and I don't sweat the small stuff. Giving up control/supervision when your child is with the other parent is HARD. It's normal to worry.
post #13 of 23
I saw this thread through the main page and just wanted to say how easy it can be for a toddler to get a bloody nose or other injury due to face planting (regardless of how close the supervision is). A few weeks ago, we were at a community event and DS (26 months old) was running around in the gym... DH and I were both there playing with and watching him. He stumbled and face planted right into the floor. Ended up with a busted lip and bleeding ALL OVER the place. It took us quite a while to get him cleaned up and the lip oozed for a while... so even an hour later when we got home, he still had some blood spots on his face. It was a mess.

And as for specifically the bloody nose, I used to get them really badly when I was a kid. Sometimes because I got bumped in the nose, sometimes because I sneezed, and sometimes for no good reason at all. And my nose would gush all over the place. I scared more than one teacher in my elementary school career because my nose would gush so badly. So just from my personal experience with bloody noses, maybe it took a bit of time to get it to stop and to get her calmed down... and maybe he just hadn't had a chance to clean off all the blood before you got there. I don't know anything about what has been going on between you and your stbx, but I do know about dealing with bloody noses and about how easy it can be for a toddler to get hurt even with the closest of care.

Oh and along with a baggie of snacks and a juice cup, maybe you could throw in a couple of extra wash cloths and a water squirt bottle and let him know that they are in her diaper bag just in case he finds himself in a position where he needs to clean her up but he doesn't have a good way to do it.

I'm glad your DD is okay. I hope that you and your stbx find a good way to communicate about your expectations and what each of you feel your daughter needs while she is in the other's care.
post #14 of 23
No, none of that would particularly concern me. Sounds like your ex has other issues, but I would not make a big deal out of grubby/thirsty/hungry/bloody nose after such a short visit, because you want to save your credibility and firepower in case there ever is a serious problem. I think it will benefit your DD for you to extend your ex a little grace on the minor stuff.

Fun times often lead to blood and scrapes, dirt, hunger & thirst. Sounds like your ex could improve his nurturing skills somewhat, but that is not the only thing kids need -- they need to know their parents love and want them, and they need fun and adventure, too. All of that sounds like it was in pretty good balance for your DD that day. Fingers crossed that it continues that way for you.
post #15 of 23
That's a tough one. I think that because you know that your husband is an irresponsible, abusive alcoholic, you're going to be more concerned about every small injury.
If your ex was dad of the year (or at least not an abusive alcoholic) and your daughter came home every now and then with a bump or a scrape, or she was really grubby like she had just had a fabulous time playing outside, I bet you wouldn't think it was that big a deal. But you know who he is.
I was just saying something really similar on the surviving abuse thread, but little things that are okay in normal situations are not that big a deal on their own. But in bad situations, often what you have is a pervasive pattern of little things that add up to something big and bad.
If it looks like he is consistently engaging in neglect -- not feeding her, not changing her diaper, not giving her water, not cleaning her -- then yeah, I would be concerned. I think you're doing the right thing, documenting all of this. Don't make a big deal over one incident, but if it's time to bring out the big guns, you can show that pervasive pattern of poor care.
And it sounds like there's a pretty good chance he may drop out of her life anyway, right?
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Avani View Post
I would document and take pictures of before/after. Honestly i think some men don't think about cleaning up kids after playing the way some mom's do and even vice versa.
that i would keep a careful eye out regarding the condition that she is in when she returns. there should be some effort made to have her cleaned up when she is gone at least. that is part of parenting. not just the pleasantries like hanging out at the park. to you for dealing with him.
post #17 of 23
documenting is a good tool. Just make sure to use it the right way. As in, She comes home hungry, messy, not cleaned up - visiting her dad is really good for her but until he learns some basic parenting skills it's in dd's best interest to have short visits with him.

Thats what the court wants to hear, and its whats going to get you the visitation schedule that you want.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by thyra View Post
documenting is a good tool. Just make sure to use it the right way. As in, She comes home hungry, messy, not cleaned up - visiting her dad is really good for her but until he learns some basic parenting skills it's in dd's best interest to have short visits with him.

Thats what the court wants to hear, and its whats going to get you the visitation schedule that you want.
You're smart.
post #19 of 23
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Agreed
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Halfasianmomma View Post
As for him having a hard time being a dad...he has had 3 other children to "practice" on, one of whom he claims to have raised by himself for a few years. You'd think he'd be a bit better at this by now...
DANG!!!!

ABSOLUTELY you have reason to be pissed off.

and yeah SMART move to be documenting.

i just dont get it. not saying he is doing that, but why would he ask for more time when he doesnt really wanna do the work you know?!!!!! i just dont get what they think!!!

no wait!!! i get it. CS. it all comes down to money.
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