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post #21 of 124
I'm trying to understand the other side, but why would you put a 5 year old in a booster sans harness, particularly if the child still fits in one you already have?

Not being snarky at all, I'm just trying to understand the other POV on why someone would deliberately choose to when they know they have other options.
post #22 of 124
My oldest will be 5 in July and we'll start booster training her this summer. She'll be going to kindy this fall, and we'll be depending on my mom & my friend for drop off and pickup, and I can't afford to put harnessed seats in their cars for the infrequent use. She won't go to full-time booster use in my car for another year or so.
post #23 of 124
My DD will probably become too tall to stay harnessed in her Nautilus while she's 5. She's 4.5 right now and has less than 2 inches of torso height left. We'll use the Nautilus as a high backed booster.
post #24 of 124
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Originally Posted by Lisa85 View Post
I'm trying to understand the other side, but why would you put a 5 year old in a booster sans harness, particularly if the child still fits in one you already have?

Not being snarky at all, I'm just trying to understand the other POV on why someone would deliberately choose to when they know they have other options.
There is a school of thought that an appropriately sized child (at least 4 and 40) is safer in a booster and seatbelt than a harness, due to increased neck loads w/a 5 pt.

I will booster my DD at 5 unless she shows unusual immaturity.
post #25 of 124
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Originally Posted by Lisa85 View Post
I'm trying to understand the other side, but why would you put a 5 year old in a booster sans harness, particularly if the child still fits in one you already have?

Not being snarky at all, I'm just trying to understand the other POV on why someone would deliberately choose to when they know they have other options.

I probably wouldn't do it at 5, but my 8yo still fits in the harness of our Nautilus and she rides in a booster. I am quite aware of my options. There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that harnessing is safer than boostering for a child who can use a booster correctly. Both options are very safe, and I pick the one that we prefer.
post #26 of 124
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Originally Posted by Lisa85 View Post
I'm trying to understand the other side, but why would you put a 5 year old in a booster sans harness, particularly if the child still fits in one you already have?

Not being snarky at all, I'm just trying to understand the other POV on why someone would deliberately choose to when they know they have other options.
We switched Bella when Grace was born so that she could buckle unbuckle herself. It was very difficult on me physically to have to buckle/unbuckle 3 kids. She is on the smaller side, and it wasn't a decision made lightly. She sits properly and we also did a transition/training.
post #27 of 124
Im trying to rear-face straight to booster. My DD is so tiny, with such a small frame. She is 4 years and a month, 31lbs and 38 inches. Ide like her to RF as close to 40lbs as possible and do as little FF harnessing as possible.

We will see where she is next year when she turns 5, but I think she will spend most of this next year RF.
post #28 of 124
My 5 year old rides in a harness in my car (where 90% of her rides occur), but a booster seat in DH's, sitters' or friends cars.

Lisa 85 - My DD prefers to ride in the booster seat because she can lean forward and reach things in the pocket of the seat in front of her (where we keep books and art supplies), and can reach things that she drops. She can't do so while harnessed. Also the booster would be more convenient since she sits in the rear seat of our minivan; she does so because the car pool drop-off/pick up order makes such an arrangement easier on our family. But she can't click herself in - I have to climb back to the third row to click her in, which is a pain - especially if you are in the car line at school with a hundred cars behind you waiting on you to unload.

It is also easier to pass along a booster seat for sitters or car pooling, than to have to have a harnessed seat belted into another driver's car.

I let DD ride in the booster for a few days in my car after I took her carseat out to clean it and was slow to put in back in. It was nice to have her be able to get herself in and out without my help. She did fuss when I put her harnessed seat back in, but now seems okay with it again. She has noticed (and pouted) that her school friends ride mostly in booster seats, but happily we have several non-school friends whose five year olds are still in harnessed seats.
post #29 of 124
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Originally Posted by jeminijad View Post
There is a school of thought that an appropriately sized child (at least 4 and 40) is safer in a booster and seatbelt than a harness, due to increased neck loads w/a 5 pt.

I will booster my DD at 5 unless she shows unusual immaturity.
This was my reasoning, as well. In Sweden, the paragon of childhood car safety , they don't harness forward-facing kids. Children go straight from rear-facing to a booster, at around 4 or 5.
post #30 of 124
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Originally Posted by Teensy View Post
My DD prefers to ride in the booster seat because she can lean forward and reach things in the pocket of the seat in front of her (where we keep books and art supplies), and can reach things that she drops. S
This would be a good case for extended harnessing. If a child is still leaning out of position, reaching to pick up dropped items, etc, they are too young/immature for a booster.
post #31 of 124
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
This would be a good case for extended harnessing. If a child is still leaning out of position, reaching to pick up dropped items, etc, they are too young/immature for a booster.
Do you pull over everytime you need to reach something that causes you to lean forward? That seems like a broad and excessive statement.
post #32 of 124
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This would be a good case for extended harnessing. If a child is still leaning out of position, reaching to pick up dropped items, etc, they are too young/immature for a booster.
Then I should put DH in a harness. My 5 year old sits still in the car better.

Said 5 year old is in a high backed booster using the seat belt at 47 lbs and 42".


Just out of curiosity, since he won't grow of this seat for a very long time, is there a significant difference between low/no back and high back?
post #33 of 124
Thread Starter 
I think the backless booster is important until they reach the headrest. But hat doesn't provide any side protection. Hmmm
post #34 of 124
Here most 5yr olds arent in any carseat or booster (regardless of what the law says)

I would be fine with a 5yr old old in a booster, who sits properly AND is 40+lbs.

There are boosters with 30lb lower limits, but, like with rearfacings vs. forward facing, the minimum isnt the safest choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2LFo8vVi04

This is a 30lb child and her 40+lb sister, same boosters, same car, one walked away, the other died. A 30lb child has a much greater chance of submarining.

Also - this is helpful for determining weather or not a child is ready to be using a booster instead of a 5pt

http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=38893


Levi's seat earfaces to 45lbs (he is 24lbs and almost 3 now), so most likley, he will be go from rearfacing to a booster, at least in secondary vehicles.
post #35 of 124
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
I think if kids are still falling asleep frequently on car trips, it's too soon to switch to a booster. Not counting longer stretches in the car for traveling - but if they are of napping age, it seems to young to me.
but what about napping adults

I think I should be in a carseat....the strap of my seatbelt is ALWAYS on my neck and I fall asleep on all long car trips with Dh driving.
post #36 of 124
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Originally Posted by MommaCrystal View Post
Do any of you have trouble with your booster users falling asleep in the car and ending up not properly secured?
My daughter hasn't fallen asleep in the car, except on long road trips, since she was 3. Several times a year, we take a 6hr road trip and we will be putting her back into the Regent next time we go. Her brother is currently using that seat and we have 2 extra convertible seats so it won't be a problem to switch them around.
post #37 of 124
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Originally Posted by Lisa85 View Post
I'm trying to understand the other side, but why would you put a 5 year old in a booster sans harness, particularly if the child still fits in one you already have?

Not being snarky at all, I'm just trying to understand the other POV on why someone would deliberately choose to when they know they have other options.
How many children do you have and how many of them are in harnessed seats? Can they do up their seats on their own?

I have three children and am in and out of the car all day long (school!) Buckling three kids in every single time I go anywhere really sucks and my daughter cannot do her own harness and there is no way in hell I'm teaching my three year old (he'd take it as a sign that he's not supposed to be buckled anymore.) Plus my daughter sits perfectly in the booster seat 100% of the time.

A booster seat is a perfectly fine and appropriate seat for a child over 40lbs, over 4 years of age and who can sit in it appropriately every single time.
post #38 of 124
I have both a 4 1/2 and 5 1/2 year old in boosters.

The 5 1/2 year old will be 6 in 2 more months, and she's 44 pounds.
The 4 1/2 year old weighs one pound less.

We make sure the lap belt is properly on their thighs, the shoulder belt properly on their shoulders (they are in high back boosters - Nautiluses), then we retract the seat belts so they are strapped in nice and tightly.

We have had no issues with kids falling asleep and out of the belts.

As for why we'd opt for belts over harnesses, after much consideration and research (if you can call it that) I feel that boosters are just as safe as 5 point harnesses for FFacing kids over 40 pounds. Like another poster said, a 5 point harness puts a HUGE amount of stress only on a child's neck, and no other part of the body is allowed to move with the neck and absorb some of those forces.

And, yeah, Sweden (the "gold standard" in car seat safety) doesn't 5 point harness their kids when they turn from RFacing to FFacing at around 4-5 years old. They go right to boosters.
post #39 of 124
DH and I also found the Swedish research convincing. We have a 4.5 year old (~46 lb) and a 6 year old (~42 lb) who are in boosters, and a 2.5 year old and an infant who are RF.

The 4 year old started out in a Nautilus, because we assumed that he wasn't mature enough to sit properly. Then we started letting him use a booster for occasional short trips in DH's car. He behaved remarkably well, so we let him use it full-time. We've had no problems with the arrangement. Which is funny, because this same boy seems incapable of sitting properly at the dining table, and often falls off his chair. (I guess he doesn't have the same motivation in that case, because he knows we don't have a 5 point harnessed high chair big enough to hold him. )
post #40 of 124
My 45 lb. 5 year old is in a booster.

The way I have always figured it, I should spend less time worrying about what particular kind of car seat she's in and spend more effort eliminating as much car time as possible.
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