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Growing a Container Garden.. is plastic not a good idea?

post #1 of 9
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This year, I cannot have a traditional "in the ground" garden.. so as not to be out any veggies.. I decided to grow some on containers on our back deck.. I have a few container tomatoes in terra cotta pots.. but what about plastic containers?? I've always wondered how "Safe" it would be to grow vegetable plants in plastic containers.. Plastics 1 and 5 to be exact.. perhaps a 2 thrown in there for good measure?
Or those "Bag" systems...that my garden catalog shows off?

If I can use plastic containers..It would allow me to grow more plants.. I could do lettuce, potatoes, peppers.. they would be light and easy to move when we do...

But, does it pose a risk? How much plastic chemicals would make it into my vegetables? The alternative is to do without fresh veggies this summer..joining a CSA isn't possible.. farmer's markets.. a slight possibility but cost prohibitive..

Thoughts?
post #2 of 9
i would not be concerned about the chemicals getting into the food. however, in my experience, plants really seem to not "like' the plastic pots as well as clay or wood. don't know why that is (and doesn't that sound like a GREAT science fair project?). nothing i've ever had growing in plastic has done as well as it has in clay. clay pots are worth the investment in my book.
post #3 of 9
I would totally be concerned with the leaching of chemicals into your soil and food. They sell containers that are like huge pots but made from a natural type substance - can't remember what they are called - peat pots maybe? We have used those before with great results and the best thing is they bio-degrade eventually instead of adding to our plastic landfill burden.
post #4 of 9
I may be in the minority in my view here - but I think growing your own veggies is better than buying them, even if you were to grow them in plastic pots. Are they "safe"? I don't know... could they leech? maybe... would the food be "better" than bought? You bet! You know what chemicals you did and did not put on them, you know the type of soil you used to grow them in. You know you used plastic but you do know... Organic farms can use plastic mulches for their fields as long as the plastic is removed after the growing season, so even if you are buying organic in the stores or at a farmer's market there really is no way of knowing if plastic was used in their production.

link to organic law

§ 205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.
(ii) Plastic mulch and covers (petroleum-based other than polyvinyl chloride (PVC)).

I don't like suggesting that you go out and purchase new pots for your portable garden, whether it's plastic or clay - keep an eye out, ask around, maybe call a garden center/greenhouse and ask if they recycle pots and if you can have a few, scavange from your neighbors and keep the plastic pots they have from getting to a landfill or the recycle center!

Growing your own veggies, even if just a few is going to save food miles and help with Life-Cycle Assessment!

If my option was fresh home grown veggies grown in plastic or store bought veggies, I'd risk the possible absorption from the plastic pots over the store bought ones, even if I knew the store ones were fresh and organically grown, food from my own backyard or frontyard is most likely going to have a better postive long term affect on my health and my family's health than any food that is grown someplace else and brought to me.

I've had mixed results growing housplants in clay and plastic, some plants do better in the clay ones, some better in the plastic. The clay pots dry out quicker, some plants like that, some don't. (would be a neat science project!!)

I wonder what exactly is in the clay pots? Are there heavy metals in they clay itself? do they leech? If they were used with chemical fertalizers or soils at one time since they are so porous could chemicals still be lingering?

From an enviromental view, I wonder which would be better, plactic or clay? I can think of alot for the plastics but I wonder about they clay? It's being pulled from the earth, how renewable is clay? Where exactly is it being mined from? Who's land is being destroyed? Which habitats are suffering? What costs are involved, both in a dollar amount and a humanatarian one for those pots to be made? How much water is used/ is there pollution caused from making them? How much energy is consumed in firing them? fuel in shipping them? What type of work/job conditions are there for the people making the pots? Then what use do clay pots have once they break? where do they go? what use for them then? could they be ground up to make more? Is it actually being done.....
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by lightheart View Post
I may be in the minority in my view here - but I think growing your own veggies is better than buying them, even if you were to grow them in plastic pots. Are they "safe"? I don't know... could they leech? maybe... would the food be "better" than bought? You bet! You know what chemicals you did and did not put on them, you know the type of soil you used to grow them in.
I totally agree with this..
You know you used plastic but you do know... Organic farms can use plastic mulches for their fields as long as the plastic is removed after the growing season, so even if you are buying organic in the stores or at a farmer's market there really is no way of knowing if plastic was used in their production.

link to organic law

§ 205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.
(ii) Plastic mulch and covers (petroleum-based other than polyvinyl chloride (PVC)).

I don't like suggesting that you go out and purchase new pots for your portable garden, whether it's plastic or clay - keep an eye out, ask around, maybe call a garden center/greenhouse and ask if they recycle pots and if you can have a few, scavange from your neighbors and keep the plastic pots they have from getting to a landfill or the recycle center!
ahrg, you're right, I shouldn't have been suggesting that OP buy anything. Buying stuff = bad!!!

Growing your own veggies, even if just a few is going to save food miles and help with Life-Cycle Assessment!

If my option was fresh home grown veggies grown in plastic or store bought veggies, I'd risk the possible absorption from the plastic pots over the store bought ones, even if I knew the store ones were fresh and organically grown, food from my own backyard or frontyard is most likely going to have a better postive long term affect on my health and my family's health than any food that is grown someplace else and brought to me.
and to add.. plants have a way of neutralizing chemicals in a way that higher-up-the-food-chain things cannot. it's what makes phytoremediation work..though if they concentrate the toxins, it may be worrisome. I think it depends on the toxins though.

I've had mixed results growing housplants in clay and plastic, some plants do better in the clay ones, some better in the plastic. The clay pots dry out quicker, some plants like that, some don't. (would be a neat science project!!)

I wonder what exactly is in the clay pots? Are there heavy metals in they clay itself? do they leech? If they were used with chemical fertalizers or soils at one time since they are so porous could chemicals still be lingering?
Clay pots DO leach.. I've grown plants in clay and over the course of years i've seen the miracle grow (don't flame me, it was for houseplants and a long time ago) crystallize on the outside of the pots.

From an enviromental view, I wonder which would be better, plactic or clay? I can think of alot for the plastics but I wonder about they clay? It's being pulled from the earth, how renewable is clay? Where exactly is it being mined from? Who's land is being destroyed? Which habitats are suffering? What costs are involved, both in a dollar amount and a humanatarian one for those pots to be made? How much water is used/ is there pollution caused from making them? How much energy is consumed in firing them? fuel in shipping them? What type of work/job conditions are there for the people making the pots? Then what use do clay pots have once they break? where do they go? what use for them then? could they be ground up to make more? Is it actually being done.....
valid points. especially about the labor involved in creating said pots, as i've seen that firsthand. though, too, in today's world, chances are that ANYTHING not manufactured in the US is likely to have been created under poor working conditions.. but again, secondhand clay pots aren't the hardest thing to come by.. also, the way clay USED to work was that it was a local/regional enterprise and the potters dug the clay themselves and it differed from location to location. That's not how it goes anymore and I'm sure there's a big portion of exploited environments because of clay digging...otherwise, i totally agree with your post. i shouldn't have been suggesting buying stuff, just pointing out that plants in my experience seem to not like plastic so very much. however, loving hands certainly make a big difference.. i support your statements and your encouragement of OP to go for it regardless of pottage
post #6 of 9
Re: plants preferring clay, I think it can depend on your area. I live where we'll have weeks of 100+ weather, and then my plants in plastic do better. Clay holds in the heat more, not only from the sun beating down, but also radiating up from my cement patio. Those plants then require even more water. And with my active boys, clay pots don't last long. I like the way clay looks, but I've had to switch to plastic. I think any leached toxins would be minimal and concentrated to the sides and/or drained out the bottom.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks..it's food for thought..

I had clay pots on hand, that were used only for veggies or sunflowers before I got them.. so no chemicals..and my 4 tomato plants are in those.. I picked up some food grade plastic containers from the local deli..and have my beans and peppers in those..
post #8 of 9
I found some wire hanging baskets on freecycle. I then lined them with a cocoa mat from the nursery. I have tomatoes and peppers in that. Then I put herbs in a terra cotta strawberry planter. I've done that for a couple of years now.

Try freecycle for free pots.

Kathi
post #9 of 9
another option - recycled half wine barrels make great container pots.....
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