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post #41 of 52
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Originally Posted by jenniepaige View Post
I could eat like that too, however I pleased when I was your age and before I had kids. Then when I had DD1 at 21 everything changed. I had no clue how to eat because I never thought about it, my metabolism was very fast and it's still ok actually but not like before I had kids!
Tell me about it! "When I was your age..." and before kids I seriously could eat anything and everything without even thinking about it, and I stayed stick skinny--to the point people thought I might be anorexic. Sadly, now I am having to learn all over again how to keep the weight off (and the FDA food Pyramid ain't cuttin' it ladies!).

Anyhoo, thanks so much for the education, it's been grand I've been mulling it over in my head for a few hours now, processing it all.

I think the biggest thing I need to remember is this "fat will be stored as fat, in the presence of [excess] sugar and carbs."

So if I want to eat all the good fats that nature and animals have to offer, without holding onto them, I need to keep my carbs. in check.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
A typical day for me looks like this:

Breakfast:

10 slices of bacon.
1 cup of kefir made from full fat, raw milk.
1 egg, fried, topped with raw sour cream.
Chorizo (maybe 10 bite-sized pieces.)
A fermented veggie - kraut/pickle/beets/kohlrabi/etc
I had to correct this - I don't eat BOTH bacon AND chorizo in one breakfast - one or the other.
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
Fat can be stored as fat in the presence of sugar & carbs. Carbs & sugar are notorious for masking fullness cues. Fat is what will keep you satiated & turn off the hunger cues.
Right. What I don't get is the people who can replace ONLY sugar with fat and still eat fewer calories. When I tried to cut out just sugar, I ended up eating twice as many other carbs as well as extra fat. Some people can cut out just sugar, I have to cut out both sugars and grains. (And with grains gone, carbs drop too.)
post #44 of 52
I think to some extent, people's bodies are different. I can only gain weight if I eat too much sugar and processed foods and feel like I need some carbs to feel full. Maybe it's just that I'm 24 and breastfeeding, and things will change as I age and have more kids.
post #45 of 52
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A question I just thought of today--is it pretty much standard belief within the TF community that you need to eat low carb? Say, for people who mainly follow Weston A. Price and Sally Fallon (not that they are God or anything LOL!, just giving that as an example). Or is it more of a belief here on this board (which leans more heavily to Paleo/Primal I think?).

Can the average person who eats a low/modest amount of non-refined carbs. eat the higher fat and protein diet of TF, without gaining massive amounts of weight?
post #46 of 52

I've been thinking a lot about this as I've recently added in a couple of pieces of yummy homemade sourdough whole wheat bread into my grain free eating and I feel great. I'm also doing P90X and I think maybe my body is craving carbs that it needs right now, but I'm always second guessing myself so I'm just not 100% sure.
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by daisymommy View Post
Can the average person who eats a low/modest amount of non-refined carbs. eat the higher fat and protein diet of TF, without gaining massive amounts of weight?

Yes, absolutely. I think key is making sure you do not have a previously undiscovered problem with wheat (which was a problem for me), but I have absolutely lost weight eliminating wheat but still eating a moderate amount of GF baked goods, rice, potatoes and lots and of fat and moderate protein.
post #48 of 52
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Can the average person who eats a low/modest amount of non-refined carbs. eat the higher fat and protein diet of TF, without gaining massive amounts of weight?
Well, I don't know if I'm an "average" person as I've always had a pretty fast metabolism, but I eat a modest amount of carbs and fairly high fat/protein (uh, I think?), and I'm fine. I do find I lose weight on very low carbs, but I still fit into my clothes either way - it's a subtle difference because I don't have that much weight to lose, you know? I've been upping my fats for, what? Maybe a year now? and I'm pretty sure I'm no fatter than I used to be. My skin's better, though!

My semi-average day of eating looks like this:

BREAKFAST: Two eggs fried in butter on a bed of pak choy or spinach (also wilted in the same pan, so covered in butter as well). Small glass of kefir with maple syrup.

LUNCH: Variable, maybe sardines on buttered toast (homemade mostly-whole-wheat sourdough - one slice these days, not two!). If I had yoghurt or something for breakfast instead, I'd likely make eggs for lunch. Once or twice a week we have pan-fried fish in butter with lemon and/or cream and white wine, served with wilted greens. In winter, lots of soup made with chicken stock.

DINNER: Often steak, chicken cooked in a creamy sauce, lasagne, roast chicken, crockpotted shin of beef, shepherd's pie, salmon etc. Usually pretty basic steamed veggies, sometimes roasted with olive oil and butter. If we do a lamb roast or something I don't trim the fat off - roasted fat-side-up it melts through the meat as it cooks (great for flavour and juiciness, never mind health!). We sometimes have mashed potatoes on the side, but less often than we used to, and I'm more conscious of using "real" veggies as well as starchy ones like peas and corn now. Often homemade ice cream for dessert - yes, sugar, evil, but real cream and egg yolks.

So... I'm sure that isn't the perfect TF diet! But you can see how I get fat into my diet. DD also likes to snack on avocado; DH likes to snack on roasted cashews, although I'm not sure if they're considered good fat? Sometimes DD will ask for little slivers of butter. We all love to snack on cheese. Really, there's no reason fat-eating should mean gagging down spoonfuls of coconut oil (although apparently some people love it!). Fat is YUMMY - there's a reason fast food has it, albeit the bad kind. You can fry French fries in tallow, eat berries with cream, make full-fat custards... release your inner gourmet. Seriously, most of the best chefs use good fats galore because they taste great - swanky cooking blogs are a good place to find TF-ish recipes.
post #49 of 52
Something else that occurred to me, is that in addition to feeling full longer and thus eating less, replacing carbs with fat increases energy and results in being more able and willing to do things like go for long walks.
post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
I think to some extent, people's bodies are different. I can only gain weight if I eat too much sugar and processed foods and feel like I need some carbs to feel full. Maybe it's just that I'm 24 and breastfeeding, and things will change as I age and have more kids.
For me, I could eat anything I wanted and still lose weight until dd turned a year old. She didn't change her nursing habits at that time, the only changes were that I dropped 2 cup sizes and started steadily regaining the lost weight. It was like my body went "you're going to keep doing this? on corn chips? um...I'm gonna have to store up some fat then."
post #51 of 52
Well, I can say that I've made a concentrated effort over the last month to eat more high quality animal fats and less carbs, and I only gained a pound (I'm 31 weeks pregnant ) My diet till now has had a lot of TF elements (without realizing it!) but has also been very carb/grain heavy. Fairly starchy, too, I love potatoes and rice (I've started soaking rice for at least 8 hours before cooking it, I hope that helps make it more TF friendly?)
post #52 of 52
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
(I've started soaking rice for at least 8 hours before cooking it, I hope that helps make it more TF friendly?)
If it's brown rice, yes, that helps. If not, there is no advantage to soaking. Here is a method for soaking rice that makes it more effective for removing phytates. I think an 8 hour soak with just water is helpful, but doesn't quite do the whole job. I found sprouted brown rice at a local Korean supermarket and have been making that lately and am very satisfied with it.
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