Wall of Shame for Pro-Vax Cliches - Page 5

[Pirogi]

Here's mine ... my child care provider has a SN son, and they are very wary of germs and very socially compliant. She resisted being available to care for my child for a year due to her fears that DD would put her child at higher risk. She ended up asking her ped if Laurel posed a threat, and he told her, "No, she is probably already immune to all the diseases from everyone else's vaccinations." Um, no. She would only possibly have gotten contact immunity from the live attenuated virus vaccines. She would not have immunity for anything else. Kind of surprised me coming from a ped though.

[mamaofthree]

i just wanted to post that some place further up the thread someone posted that their child got roseola and wasn't vaxed for it... there is no vax for roseola. (also know as 6th disease.)

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[philomom]

Originally Posted by mamaofthree

i just wanted to post that some place further up the thread someone posted that their child got roseola and wasn't vaxed for it... there is no vax for roseola. (also know as 6th disease.)

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Isn't that fifth disease?

http://www.fifthdisease.org/

[mamaofthree]

nope. lol here is a link http://www.skinsight.com/infant/roseolaSixthDisease.htm

both my older two had it. just as the fever is gone they get the rash.

sort of interesting that the diseases had numbers, i read someplace that it was because they were all things your kid would get... all 6 of them. lol

http://www.jsonline.com/features/29311919.html

my dd also had second disease. when i told my grandma she freaked out. that was a bad one, there is no vax for that either, just a trip to the doctor and antibiotics. (it is strep).

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[kavamamakava]

Originally Posted by mamaofthree

i just wanted to post that some place further up the thread someone posted that their child got roseola and wasn't vaxed for it... there is no vax for roseola. (also know as 6th disease.)

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I wasn't saying that it's a vaccine preventable disease, just mentioning that he had it as well as rubeola (since they are in the same family).

[nia82]

Mmh everyone in my family who had measles never had it again. My parents still have titers for it and had it when they were like 4. I think most people will be immune following measles. I only had one measles shot as a kid and still had titers 24 years later. I'd like to see the study/ medical book that says that most people are not immune following measles.

As far as chickenpox goes... Is there any good source that shows that chickenpox is more dangerous now than 20 years ago? I just wonder if it has to do with medicating children more (Tylenol, antibiotics for no good reason) and then that leads to worse cases?

[bbrandonsmom]

Er, I don't know about CP being worse for kids today than years ago. It's prob a scare tactic?
I remembered yesterday that I was given the MMR as an infant, not long after it became available. As of 5 yrs ago, I still had titers to M & M, but they talked me into getting a Ruebella (sp) vaccine. They had no information about it and breastfeeding either.
My sister had Measles as an infant (4months old) with no complications. I'd like to know if she still has titers or if our other sister does as well-she had them too, but was older.

[TonyaW]

Originally Posted by freestylemama

Not everyone is able to get live vaccines and many sick people rely on healthy people to keep vaccine preventable diseases out of the environment. This is a very valid argument for concerned parents with children with compromised immune systems. One of DD's little friends is HIV+ and one of her babysitters has MS. They cannot get certain vaccines and rely on the rest of us to stay healthy. Having close relationships with a number of people who can't get vaccinated has really changed my perspective about vaccinating and is the reason why we're catching our DD up on everything. Sometimes it's not just about us.

I do understand your point of view and certainly respect your decision to try and protect others from harm by doing your part!!! I think a lack of compassion for others is one reason why our society is suffering so much today.

I do look at it a bit differently though. I don't want to compromise my child's health with vaccinations to protect everyone who is immune compromised. However, I do keep my child home during illness and myself to protect others. Also, it is the responsibility of the parents with immune compromised children to keep them as safe as possible. It always makes me mad when I go to a group and some kid comes in hacking and coughing and I don't even have an immune compromised child. I also want to protect my child from immune compromise by building his immune system through naturally occurring illnesses and not getting vaccinated, because that can cause long term immune issues in itself in my opinion. I personally feel I have been damaged from the vaccinations I received as an adult and working in health care.

[TonyaW]

Originally Posted by Turquesa

I can see how you read it that way, and I should have worded it better. But that's not at all what I was expressing.

When you hear vax proponents say "Young parents don't know what it was like before certain vaccines were available" well, I do know. It was pretty uneventful where HIB was concerned because I hadn't heard of it. Most of us hadn't. But when vax proponents throw this line at you, you'd think there was once some mass epidemic in the U.S. killing children by the millions.



What I hear are generalization, as if all of the diseases were one in the same.

The other thing that gets me is that if you talk to a lot of the "measles generation," (some of whom post here) they didn't think it was such a big deal, either.

I was watching a Brady Bunch show once and all the kids came down with measles. It was such a NON ordeal. All the kids got it and all went to bed and played games, generally took it easy. Then they all got better. That is how they use to view this disease in general or they wouldn't have portrayed it on television like that. It was funny because at the end of the show they pulled out a chart of all the "vaccine preventable" diseases the kids had previously had and were checking off measles. There were so many we vaccinate for now. It really is ridiculous that "they" now make out so many of the so called "vaccine preventable" diseases to be so horrific which use to be normal childhood experiences. There are only a few diseases that worry me, like tetanus. I worry a bit after seeing a show about polio and all the iron lungs, but since it has been pretty much eradicated in the US, I don't worry too much. Also, the show was geared toward the magical cure of the vaccine.