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post #1 of 11
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Does anyone here have any experience raising a litter of puppies? If so, could you tell me a bit about what it is like? What kind of care needs to happen for the mama and puppies, what kind of set up is best as the puppies grow? What kind of work is involved for the humans, and how long do you spend each day on puppy-related activities?

My family is considering volunteering through the local animal services to be a "foster parent" to pregnant or nursing mama dogs that get turned in to the shelter. They prefer that families with children do the fostering so that the pups are well socialized to children by the time they are ready for homes at 8-12 weeks old. When the pups are ready they find good homes for them, then the mama is spayed and is found a home as well.

We are considering getting a dog sometime in the next year, and thought this would be a good opportunity for a "trial run," to see if we would really enjoy having dogs right now. And i know it would be a wonderful experience for my daughter and I to watch and care for the pups from birth until they get their homes. I know I could do a better than average job of socializing during the oh-so-important early weeks, and as a SAHM I have plenty of time to devote.
post #2 of 11
At the beginning of your post I felt my lip begin to twitch. But then I got to the part where you were going to foster for a shelter and I suddenly got that happy, fuzzy feeling.

Depending on the dog (size, breed, etc) the space requirements for a whelping box can be as small as an over sized rubbermaid bin, to a large wooden box with safety rails that can literally take up a whole room.

You'll definitely need a place where the bitch can be comfortable before the pups are born. Many people assemble their boxes long before their due dates and let the dog get comfortable. If you have kids it's probably best to have this in a place that can easily be closed up when needed. Even though the intent is to socialize the pups, you'll still need a place where she can feel relaxed and secure. And, where you can feel comfortable knowing that well meaning children won't be trying to handle newborn puppies without your supervision. (I'm not sure how old your kids are.)

If they're coming from a shelter, do you know what their procedures are as far as vet care for the dog goes? Do they perform ultrasounds or x-rays to see how many pups there might be? What about possible c-sections? Etc?

It might be nice to know what the shelter provides, and then we can sort of fill in the rest.

I already mentioned a whelping box. For delivery, you're going to want to line it with something absorbent and easily changeable. Don't use something big, like a full sized blanket. It's best to use several small pieces, like towels, that can easily be changed out without disrupting the whole box. Different people like different things. I've used everything from layers of blank news print (like packing paper) and piddle pads, to towels and scrap fabric. It's best not have fluffy thick fabrics that the pups can get lost in. And I don't recommend shavings, especially ceder. It can be inhaled, chewed/choked on, and ceder is really hard on their respiratory systems.

You'll need a whelping kit. The list of stuff is endless, but anything and everything that you might think will help you is important to add. I would say the major things would be this:

Note pad, pen/pencil (recording birth weights)
Scale (weigh newborn pups)
Hemostats (clamping cords)
Scissors
Iodine (umbilical cords)
Dental floss (tying cords)
Bulb syringe
Lots of fresh towels
Different colours of embroidery thread or yarn (colour code each pup for identification)
Thermometer
Rubber gloves
Lubricant (in case you have to insert a hand or finger)

Depending on the breed, and therefore the size of the pups, you may need some sort of heating system, either a lamp or pad. Usually though, if you control the ambient temperature and take measures to ensure the box is not chilled (like not placing it directly on a concrete floor in the basement, for example), you should be Ok.

If the dog has long hair you may want to trim up her bloomer hair and on her belly. Some dogs will shed a bit around their nipples though. Some waterless bath and a slicker brush might be handy to help clean her up after. You may also want to consider having some milk replacer and feeding supplies on hand just in case. Pet supply stores won't be open in the middle of the night and if a pup won't nurse or the bitch won't let them, several hours can be difference between life and death. You'll also want to think about what to feed mama after labor (though she might not want to eat right away). If you feed raw it will be a good time to offer some organ meat (liver especially), or some egg yolks. Both are good sources of iron. If not you could cook them add them to a high quality kibble. If she eats a lot of the placentas, she might have diarrhea for a couple of days. Even though you'd typically want to offer a bland diet for a dog with diarrhea, you sort of have to roll with the punches here because you really want to get her milk supply off to a good start. Food and drinking lots of water are really important.

The first couple of days are really important, so be prepared to sleep near the pups and set an alarm to check on the several times if needed. They'll need to be weighed daily. And you may have to walk the dog several times a day if she won't leave the box. Sometimes it takes having her out of the box to eat too, so be prepared to spend all day with the dog or the pups for the first week or so.

Around 3-4 weeks is really when they start to get mobile and open their eyes, and this is when they'll be ready for the kids to start with handling them. They'll also start getting weaned around this time (closer to 4 probably), so you'll have to start incorporating puppy meals. There are lots of good recipes out there for a puppy mash.

4 weeks on is when they really start to learn a lot from each other and from the bitch. You'll notice she probably wants to start spending less time with them, and when she does, she's not as nurturing and tolerate. This is a GOOD thing. When we keep saying it's important for puppies to stay with their litter mates and go through the process of being weaned by their mother, it's because of this. They learn things like bite inhibition and other manners. When puppies are removed too early they often have a hard time understanding what is appropriate and that can lead to things like them being really mouthy.

You may want to invest in an outdoor exercise pen. Even if you have a fenced yard they're handy because they keep the puppies contained to a small area. If you have 6 puppies all scattering in opposite directions and one or more of them gets into something, you'll be pulling your hair out.

Now's the time you may also have think about moving them out of the whelping box and into somewhere more secure. You can use the above mentioned "x-pen" indoors, or gate off a laundry room or kitchen. Be prepared to clean a lot of messes. You can paper train them, or shall I say, use paper to contain the messes, but usually paper and piddle pads aren't recommended because the puppies can chew it up and you don't want them eating that stuff. Especially piddle pads. Blank news print or towels are probably your best bet.

Don't hesitate to start pottying them as early as they can walk outside on a leash. Like 5-7 weeks. It's time consuming, but it lays the ground work for later. It would be difficult to simultaneously potty train 6 pups all at once at such a young age, but it's also not recommended to let them have a free for all in side the house either. Not keeping their area clean can lead to things like coprophagia. They'll need to go outside to potty every hour as they get to be around 5-8 weeks.

Realistically, expect those 12-14 weeks (including the sleepless week or so before she whelps) to be exhausting, draining, frustrating, messy, disgusting, confusing, mind boggling, and totally fulfilling (if you enjoy the experience, but you won't know that until it's over.. LOL).

Are your kids at an age where if you hear a puppy screaming you can drop EVERYTHING (or have help) and go attend to the pup? Are you willing to bath a whole litter of pups if you wake up in the morning and they've been tromping around in poop? If mama's labor stalls, are you able to leave in the middle of the night to take her to the vet? If the shelter doesn't pay for it, can you afford it? Are you willing to make huge sacrifices and alternations to your home so you can accommodate a litter of puppies for 12 weeks? Like putting up baby gates, or moving furniture around, or removing carpet, or fencing your yard? What about the expense of building a whelping box, buying milk replacer and bottles and nipples, x-pens, crates, extra towels, food, puppy toys, etc?

I won't lie. Having puppies is so incredibly rewarding. And they are flipping adorable. But. BUT. They are also a tremendous amount of work. And not unlike having a human baby, in those first couple of weeks everything is sort of a blur. You need to be at a place where you're comfortable setting your kids up with a movie or activities while you clean out the whelping box and sterilize the floors (if they're not old enough to help). Or have someone come in to help you.

I have not raised a litter of pups since I had my daughter, truthfully, because I just don't think I can do it. She's 4 now, so it's probably do-able. But I sometimes find myself getting exasperated with the dogs I have now. Caring for young puppies and all the stuff that goes along with it is down right tiring at times.

I would suggest you get in touch with other foster homes, or a breeder, and volunteer to spend a day with them, or a few days, do some of the hands on work and see if it's something you can do in your own home. Once you have that dog in there a new litter of pups, you're sort of obligated to go through with it all. That's not the right time to find out that you're totally overwhelmed and can't keep going. I REALLY suggest shadowing someone with litter of pups first.

It also sounds like you don't have a dog, and possibly don't know what it's like owning a dog? I'm not sure if the shelter will consider you a good foster home due to lack of experience, but if they do, it might also be worth doing some volunteer time at the shelter. Raising a litter of pups with a strange dog is going to be night and day to taking in one older puppy/dog. If your goal is to find out whether or not you want to own a dog, sign up to be a foster for one dog, get some experience as canine caretaker, and then take on the litter of pups.

Honestly, it sounds like you're putting the cart before the horse, and I'm not sure this is the best way to figure out if dog ownership is something you're interested in.

You mention that it would be a good experience for you and your daughter, but I wonder what other reasons have motivated you to foster a litter of pups? Foster homes are needed because shelters are over crowded and small pups don't always get the one-on-one time they need for socializing. And because wasting space for non-adoptable dogs for 8-12 weeks takes away space for dogs in critical need of finding homes. And because shelters honestly don't have the time needed to raise a litter of puppies. They would have to have staff members specifically on puppy duty, and at the shelters I volunteered for, that was a huge issue for us. It's SO time consuming that we much prefer foster homes.

The experience of raising pups really is unique, but I do question your motives for wanting to go through with it. If it's really to have a "test run" before owning your own dog, there are foster programs that place one dog. And if you want to experience caring for puppies, volunteering before becoming a foster home (and I would recommend you gain some experience before taking it on yourself) might be better.

I'm sure I've forgotten a ton. It's late, but I'm sure others will chime in. Time for bed. LOL
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Wow! Thank you for all the information! This is such a huge help. You have given me many ideas of specific questions to ask the shelter, as well as some good food for thought as to home set-up and time commitment.

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It also sounds like you don't have a dog, and possibly don't know what it's like owning a dog?
We do not have a dog at the present, and it has been a good eight years since I have had one. But I have had three dogs in my lifetime (golden retriever, lab mutt, and irish setter), and have raised two of them from 8 week pups. My husband also grew up with dogs (airedale terriers for the most part).
I love dogs and miss having one in the family. But since our last guy passed away we have been less stable in housing, rented for many years, sometimes in places with no fence. We decided our lifestyle would not be fair to a dog.

We recently moved into our own home (yea!) and are considering adding a dog to our family again. But we have not had a dog since before our daughter was born (she is 6.5) and were not sure about the long term commitment of dog plus child and all of the activities that come along with kids. It was my husband who suggested fostering dogs as a way to see if we would really like to add a dog to the family. Pet ownership is such a huge commitment, and having a "trial run" while providing a needed and valuable service to the shelter seemed like a good option. When I was looking at the volunteer area of this particular shelter's site they mentioned their biggest foster need was for pregnant and nursing dogs.

Honestly my first thought was to foster an adult dog. But when they mentioned the need for families with children to foster pregnant and nursing mamas it made me think about that option as well.

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Are your kids at an age where if you hear a puppy screaming you can drop EVERYTHING (or have help) and go attend to the pup? Are you willing to bath a whole litter of pups if you wake up in the morning and they've been tromping around in poop? If mama's labor stalls, are you able to leave in the middle of the night to take her to the vet? If the shelter doesn't pay for it, can you afford it? Are you willing to make huge sacrifices and alternations to your home so you can accommodate a litter of puppies for 12 weeks? Like putting up baby gates, or moving furniture around, or removing carpet, or fencing your yard? What about the expense of building a whelping box, buying milk replacer and bottles and nipples, x-pens, crates, extra towels, food, puppy toys, etc?
Yes to most of the above. My daughter is a very mature and responsible 6.5 years old, and would have no problems with the time commitment required of me or the change in day-to-day routine for her. She is the most flexible and understanding kiddo, it is amazing.
As for all the messes, midnight wakings, trips to the vet... these do not phase me, and i would be willing to do it all.
The financial aspect is another matter. I would be willing to put up some funds and get some supplies, but my hope is that the shelter has most of the things that I would need available to borrow. I also do not know if they have an "emergency vet fund." Obviously there are really important questions to ask the shelter, and quite possibly their answer could mean that I have to say no to fostering a pregnant dog. For instance, as much as I love the idea of fostering I am not willing to spend $500 doing so for two to three months. If we do decide to do this it is important that we go in with eyes open knowing everything that is expected of us in regards to supplies, vet care, and financial commitment.

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I would suggest you get in touch with other foster homes, or a breeder, and volunteer to spend a day with them, or a few days, do some of the hands on work and see if it's something you can do in your own home. Once you have that dog in there a new litter of pups, you're sort of obligated to go through with it all. That's not the right time to find out that you're totally overwhelmed and can't keep going. I REALLY suggest shadowing someone with litter of pups.
This is a fabulous idea. What a great suggestion! It makes absolute sense to see and experience first had what we would be getting into. And a candid talk with people who have "been there done that" would definitely help me form a realistic picture of what to expect. i am sure one of the several local shelters could put me in contact with other animal fosters, and no doubt there must be a breeder or two who would be willing to talk with me, perhaps even let me help out a bit. I will look into this.

Thanks again for the great advice and thoughts. It is incredibly helpful.
post #4 of 11
I'm glad to hear you've owned a few dogs. That makes all the difference in the world. If you can find someone with pups where you can help, or volunteer at the shelter first, I think fostering some pups might be a great way to help them and be fun (if not messy and also exhausting ) for you.

Do they whelp the pups and hand them over, or do they let you take on the bitch while she's still pregnant? It might a WHOLE lot easier if it's the former.
post #5 of 11
North of 60 covered it all

I do want to add though, be careful as some mama dogs can be very protective of their pups, especially if coming from bad pasts, abuse, or abandoned. A lady I know online recently took in a female dane who was about to have a litter (she works for a rescue)....the female was so stressed and aggressive she eventually had to be put down and the pups had to be bottle raised..there were 12 or 13 of them! I grew up with my dad breeding his saints and they were all fine with us coming in and out of the whelping box, handling the pups, etc...but they were well socialized pets.

Definitely not saying dont do it, and many mamas are not going to react aggressively, I am just wanting to make sure you are prepared in case they do.
post #6 of 11
You've gotten great advice.

I started out raising 3 kittens from birth due to abandonment, lost 2, but 1 is thriving. It is HARD. There is nothing like it.
post #7 of 11
Wow, North of 60 really covered it all (great information!)... except death. Puppies die. You might not have a puppy die in the first litter but if you have a few litters born at your house, you most likely will have at least one puppy die. They might be stillborn, they might be squashed by mom (a good whelping box can help prevent this) or they might just get sick and die.

That's one other thing to reflect on as you're considering this.

We have a great relationship with our dog's breeder-team and they say that raising puppies is the absolute BEST and WORST. There are a great many wonderful things, but sometimes it is very very difficult.

What a great idea to shadow someone who is raising a litter and learn from them - they will be able to give you lots of great advice.
post #8 of 11
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Well, after thinking things over, looking at our projected schedules for the season, and getting feedback form all family members in the house we decided to table the fostering idea for now. It seems like a great idea for the future perhaps, but not this year.

Thank everyone for helping me with my decision. I really appreciate it.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by tinuviel_k View Post
Well, after thinking things over, looking at our projected schedules for the season, and getting feedback form all family members in the house we decided to table the fostering idea for now. It seems like a great idea for the future perhaps, but not this year.

Thank everyone for helping me with my decision. I really appreciate it.
Thank YOU for fostering!!

(I had the same reaction as northof60 as I started reading LOL!)
post #10 of 11
There's a great video (probably on DVD by now--my copy is ancient) all about whelping. It shows a breeder setting up her whelping box, whelping a litter of puppies, and then there is a discussion at the end with several breeders of several breeds who offer their advice and experience. I think it's called Special Delivery. I ordered it AGES ago... and have watched it many times over the years.

I recommend it (if you can still get it) to anyone wanting to whelp a litter. It's great. The breeder that does it has Standard Schnauzers, I think... and she talks to a Lab breeder, an Akita breeder, Dalmation, Maltese... on and on. It's really good.
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