16mo's enamel is gone, and tooth is chiping away before my eyes! - Page 2

[LDSmomma]

I know how you feel! There's a book called Cure Tooth Decay, by Ramiel Nagel or something like that. He has a website which outlines the diet. The only website I know of to get high quality fermented cod liver oil is green pastures, but I have no idea of their shipping overseas. Butter oil is really expensive, but Nagel says you can just eat several tbsps at each meal instead, so that's what we do. We buy high quality butter from pastured cows, though.

Anyway, the diet includes the following, but I don't know the exact amounts off hand: bone broth, cod liver oil, raw milk, butter oil, eliminate processed foods, eliminate sugar, even natural sugar from fruit, etc. And if you're nursing, both mama & baby need to do this.

From what I've learned from this thread and a local group I belong to, this is somewhat common in extended nursers, perhaps because of mama's diet. But, as one of my friends pointed out, it must always get resolved by the time permanent teeth erupt, because no one has this issue with their adult teeth. My friend pointed out that some dentists just figure baby teeth will fall out, so they don't get too worried about them, but if this isn't happening to permanent teeth, no one gets too upset.

In a local group, a mama told me four of her children had this, but once she came across the cure tooth decay options, and changed her diet, including her sugar addiction, her fifth child didn't have this problem at all. And, all of her kids' permanent teeth are fine. So, that's my hope.

[LorenaAZ]

My daughter gets very phlemy, so I usually try to limit her dairy intake. And here in Spain, raw milk is illegal to sell. I will try to find good quality butter. Is yogurt any good for this?

I ordered the Nagel book and should get it in a few weeks. I bought quite a bit of organs and bones yesterday and made some soup with it. I have since found out that my daughter doesn`t like chicken livers or chicken hearts......let`s hope the next soup will be more palatable for her. I got her some mineral salts supplements, probiotics, and vegetarian omega 3-6-7-9 oil. I almost got fish oil, but it makes me vomit (in addition to burping it throughout the day), and so I didn`t want to put my daughter through that. We are cutting out gluten and sugars as well. I really hope this helps. And I`m setting up dentist appointments to get a second opinion.

Thanks for all the advice!!

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

My ds lost all 4 top teeth due to no enamel when he was 2y2m old. I noticed the chipping away starting within 3 months of them erupting from the gum. The rest of his teeth have had issues as well and we just finished major dental work with in office sedation this past February.

I took the wait and see approach for his teeth so that we could do in office sedation rather than risk GA.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by LorenaAZ

My daughter gets very phlemy, so I usually try to limit her dairy intake. And here in Spain, raw milk is illegal to sell. I will try to find good quality butter. Is yogurt any good for this?

I ordered the Nagel book and should get it in a few weeks. I bought quite a bit of organs and bones yesterday and made some soup with it. I have since found out that my daughter doesn`t like chicken livers or chicken hearts......let`s hope the next soup will be more palatable for her. I got her some mineral salts supplements, probiotics, and vegetarian omega 3-6-7-9 oil. I almost got fish oil, but it makes me vomit (in addition to burping it throughout the day), and so I didn`t want to put my daughter through that. We are cutting out gluten and sugars as well. I really hope this helps. And I`m setting up dentist appointments to get a second opinion.

Thanks for all the advice!!

Raw milk illegal in Spain, really? It's okay in other European countries. Weird, I thought the U.S. was the only ridiculous legal population.

Yes, the butter oil and cod liver oil are just concentrated food forms of nutrients you can get other ways, you don't need those specific ones. You can use lots of pastured butter/cream and egg yolks. Seafood as well esp. shellfish, Spain is wonderful for this. See if you can get her to eat some fish roe which is just as high as butter oil and CLO in K2 and vitamins A/D.

The vegetarian 3-6-9 is not helpful b/c it doesn't contain A/D vits, the fat soluble vitamins are the key. And as previous poster said reducing sugar, increasing minerals and healthy animal fats in diet. Aged cheese is also good, if from pastured animals which Spanish animals should be! fermented is higher in K2.

I have heard of these sort of teeth issues being connected to celiac disease but I imagine any food allergy that causes intestinal inflammation (and resulting improper absorption of nutrients) may be the cause?

Also vitamin D deficiency.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by lizziejeen

At least it happened to baby teeth! My daughter had it happen to her 5 year molars, and she had to get crowns. The dentist said that she was probably taking antibiotics at the wrong time and it affected the development of the enamel on those teeth.

Are all antibiotics bad ? I didnt realize they damaged the teeth - can anyone give any links or sources where I can read more?

Im also a little skeptical of this dentist comments because normally you take antibiotics for 7 to 10 days. Does the enamel really develop in this short of a time frame? (and this was in reference to adult molars, still developing under the gum Im assuming) Hard to believe it all happens in just a week and that it can be messed up with a round of antibiotics, but then what do I know, thats why Im asking

[SuburbanHippie]

Thank you for this thread!

My almost 3 year old is experiencing this as well. Two of his molars are halfway to the gum and one of his front teeth is chipping away before my very eyes. It's frightening. I brought him to the dentist last week and they said he just has bad enamel and there's nothing I can do about it. Luckily, I know better. He's scheduled for stainless steel crowns for the molars, but I had to schedule him with the only pediatric dentist in our network and his appointment is 10 months from now.

We already eat a fairly traditional diet, but I need to make sure he's actually taking in the bone broth, butter oil etc himself and not relying so much on breast milk.

[SaoirseC]

Originally Posted by newmum35

Are all antibiotics bad ? I didnt realize they damaged the teeth - can anyone give any links or sources where I can read more?

Im also a little skeptical of this dentist comments because normally you take antibiotics for 7 to 10 days. Does the enamel really develop in this short of a time frame? (and this was in reference to adult molars, still developing under the gum Im assuming) Hard to believe it all happens in just a week and that it can be messed up with a round of antibiotics, but then what do I know, thats why Im asking

The use of certain antibiotics can lead to fluorosis, which is an enamel issue. I'm skeptical that antibiotic use during childhood could lead to fluorosis, but I know it can lead to fluorosis when taken during gestation or early infancy. I just read that nystatin can also do this, which might explain why both of my older children had enamel issues.