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post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by organicmidwestmama View Post
that sounds so hard. all can say, from my experience of having a child who only wanted grains/carbs, is they are "hypoglycemc" because of the refined/quickly digesed sugars (and even whole grains turn to sugar in the bloodstream) they are eating, so eating more of these foods creates a viceous cycle of craving, blood-sugar crashing, and then feeding the beast so to speak.

i cant tell you what to do but i have noticed with my son if i only offer cheese, nuts, meats, etc. for a snack, when he is begging for junk, he will eat the healthy foods if he is truly hungry. he may cry, because sugar, and even refined grans like noodles can be addictive, but after a chunk of cheese or something he will calm down and feel better. i am not saying kids shouldnt ever eat carbs, but grains and sugar arent very nutrient-laden and do cause problems for many kids. low sugar fruits lke berries, and lower sugar starches like butternut squash are healthier carbs in my opinion then bread, crackers, noodles etc.

yes, he does crave carbs...because his blood sugar runs naurally low, like mine, my dad's, and my maternal Grandmother. Also, I offer only nutrient dense snacks. He'll just let it sit there if he's 'not hungry'. If I can convince him to take a bite of something, he discovers that he's suddenly ravenous, and then is willing to eat the good stuff. But I have to get in that first bite. I was about 'this close' to smearing the inside of his cheek with maple syrup, just so he'd feel hungry enough to eat.

I agree that many people who experience hypoglycemic sugar measurements do so because they are eating toast w/fruit for breakfast, hummus and crackers for a snack, grapes and skimm milk cheese for lunch, 100 calorie snack packs for a snack, and a huge salad minus dressing or protein for dinner. I know people who eat that way.

We don't. I don't buy noodles, or instant stuff. I don't even usually have flour on hand. I know that rolled oats are still processed, but they are minimally processed. I do buy whole ground corn meal, rolled spelt, garbanzo bean flour, etc. I don't cook with flour. I must sound like we're on the typical SAD but we're not.

Each meal I base on a protein, usually meat or eggs, or beans. I add good fat if necessary. Then I add a plant food, like wild rice, yams, celery root, lentils, beans, and often onions and fresh garlic and tomatos. Then I add something fresh, either a raw veggie for dipping, or fruit. I also include something cultured or fermented, cheese, yogurt, sour cream...I like Kombucha, but the kids don't. I process my own tomatos. Even the toast is sprouted grain bread- no flour.

argh...getting long-winded...here's my point. We are truly hypoglycemic. That is our normal state, low. I can only eat half a small apple or pear, and I better eat it with peanut butter or cheese, and a glass of whole milk, or I'll get a sugar high and then crash. What I'm saying is, regardless of how carefully he and I eat, we still must eat frequently, and always protein and fat first, then veggies/fruit. I never serve fruit w/o a fat.

The probem I'm having with him is that I'll serve apples and peanut butter, and he'll only eat the apple. Or, like the stupid eggs, he won't eat them if there's any yolk mixed in at all. So that's why I've been trying to use some of my whole grains to bake- that's the only way I can get the yolks in him! I did make some 'cookies' with oats, almond flour, egg yolks, butter, and a touch of maple syrup. He ate them. That is the only reason I'm baking anything at all!

He's been doing better the last two days. After the almond cookies. The next morning he ate three strips of bacon and a bite of eggs, but a few hours later, he ate a couple ounces of cheese, and a few bites of chicken. Later we went on a walk, and he ate a whole string cheese and drank a little jug of milk. Then when we got home, he ate part of a beef jerky stick. Today, he ate milk/fruit smoothie...peanut butter toast, a few bites of the dinner I'd made last night, beef, beans, tomatos and rice...then for dinner he ate 6 breakfast sausages, an egg white, and some milk. That's a lot for him.

That's why I'm frusttrated, I am providing him with the only food he really should eat, and he won't even eat that.

Magelet- that is EXACTLY our problem. And I do talk to him about it, tell him stories about how I felt as a little girl, and how it feels to feel so cranky and not know why. And for the last two days, I've been pointing out to him how much better he feels b/c he's eating well, and he agrees with me.

thanks so much for helping me think this through. Any further thoughts are welcome.
post #22 of 27
heidirk- i know you might have been told that your families blood sugar problems are genetic and thats that, but i have people who had hypoglycemia in my family as well, and from the personal research i have done, the many books ive read on the subect of sugar and blood sugar control, etc. i have learned that while some people may be genetically more likely to have blood sugar problems, what we eat can change how our body processes food and how our blood sugar "acts" on a day to day basis.

here are some good books that are written by professionals who understand hypoglycemia and diabetes way better then i do, and who believe in real foods. what i have gathered basically, is they all say symptoms of hypoglycemia can be allieveated by reducing or eliminating refined carbohydrates and possibly reducing some "good" so-called "complex" carbs (ie. potatoes) in the diet. obviously you should talk to an MD or naturopathic physician to see if dietary changes are safe/neccessary for your family first. here are some resources;

http://www.schwarzbeinprinciple.com/ MD specializing in blood sugar
http://www.diabetes-book.com/ MD diabetologist and diabetic person himself
http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/ nutritionists book on how an evolutionarily appropriate diet can help numerous health problems including blood sugar issues

http://www.hypoglycemicdiet.org/ a blog about treating blood sugar issues

http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/ a blog by an MD, radiologist who advises a lower-carb diet for blood sugar control, and general health, well-researched actual practicing physician
post #23 of 27
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Thank you for the links. I'm going to add them to my nutritional file on my computer.

No, in fact I have been told flat out by medical 'professionals' that hypoglycemia doesn't exist outside of being treated w/artificial insulin for diabetes.

I know it does, because I've found the studies. Anyhow, I agree that removing almost all grains, and many fruits and starchy veggies makes a huge difference! I've done it for myself, and the difference was amazing.

What I'd like to do for the kids, is get them to the point that their carbohydrates are coming entirely from nuts/seeds, beans/legumes, and milk. Ds12 for the moment, is eating again, meat, peanut butter, cheese, eggs. Whew! The almond flour 'cookies' were a hit, and he did not crash afterwards.


In your opinion/from your experience, are even whole rolled oats bad? I would never eat them by themselves, always with a fat, but my focus has been towards eating more whole foods in general. I had gathered that oatmeal was an acceptable TF breakfast/food.
post #24 of 27
i do not think oats, or any grain or real food, is "bad" per sey, but if i was hypoglycemic or pre-diabetic or diabetic, i might consider reducing high carb foods like oats and other grains. oats are higher in carbs, per ounce or serving, compared to say; sauteed kale, cheese, fish, or almonds.

although oats are lower on the glycemic idex then some grains, the way each individual's metabolic system and insulin levels react will vary greatly. this doctor, a cardiologist, goes into the details of the glycemic index if youre interested- he also has a lot of info on grains and diabetes (he had diabetes himself and has reversed it i believe)- www.heartscanblog.blogspot.com

all this being said, i am a mom, not a doctor, so i cant give you anything besides my personal opinions...
post #25 of 27
I've had awesome changes to my health and well-being including the tendency to be hypoglycemic by following Dr. D'Adamos genotype diet http://www.dadamo.com/whatsnew_genotypediet.htm
feel free to PM me if you'd like more info about it or my journey with it. I love to share
post #26 of 27
Back to the quick, portable, non-messy snack question... Ever tried Larabars?
They're made with nuts and fruit and come in about 5 different varieties. You can make your own too, if you have a food processor that can turn prunes, dates, or other dried fruits into a paste.

Another idea: Lately I've been sneaking cooked quinoa into the mixes for some high carb foods (banana bread was one) to add protein and no one's noticed yet.
post #27 of 27
We use the following as quick on-the-go snacks:

-nuts mixed with dried fruit
-pumpkin seeds that I toast and salt at home
-granola bars
-rice or corn cakes (surprisingly every kid I know loves these)
-bananas
-fruit compote (here they sell them in drinkable containers or I make some at home and put it in recycled baby food jars)
-yogurts (the ones you can drink) or kefir
-steamed veggie slices in tupperware container (for dd2 mainly)

My dd1 has total meltdowns when she gets hungry. I often don't realize how hungry I am until its too late and I am on the verge of throwing one of my kids in the river. If I get this hungry I will eat whatever, which I can't do because dd2 is nursing and reacts to gluten and dairy. So keeping these things on hand is good for them and me.
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