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make me feel more confident about not vaxing for measles and pertussis

post #1 of 44
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i have decided to not vax at all, and have a 3 year old and 4 month old. the diseases i am most worried about are measles and whooping cough. what makes you confident that you can get through these diseases without vaxxing>? just need some reassurance. thanks!
post #2 of 44
Measles is a mild disease in a healthy person. It is easily treated with extra vitamin A & C drops. I feel no concern about measles after reading about all the VPD's. Pertussis is a bit more scary for a small child. It is generally a pain in the hiney but not fatal. I feel no concern over catching pertussis with my 3 year old son, other than how annoying and uncomfortable it would be. I don't put my child in day care so I don't worry as much about it. One of my close friends had two completely vaccinated boys who both got whopping cough at the same time. This seems to be common with whooping cough. It is on the rise and seen often in vaccinated children. Even my son's doctor says he sees many cases in his practice with both vaccinated and unvaccinated children. This vaccine is really not that affective. Also, I read somewhere here on MDC that buffered vitamin C given at the outset of WC can prevent the cough from getting so bad.
post #3 of 44
Watch this video. It will make you feel much better about measles
post #4 of 44
While I never worried excessively about measles (my cousin had it in '89 when the vax failed, and he was the happiest spotty kid I'd ever seen LOL!), what finally took away any last concerns was what I read in a set of medical books we picked up from 1919. In a day with poorer hygeine, less access to medical care, no antibiotics, etc. measles wasn't even a concern. Their emphasis was to keep the person quiet during the initial stage and if you did that there should be no issues from it (according to the experts of the day). If they weren't concerned about it, then with all the advances we have today I sure see no reason to be overly worried about it myself!

Whooping cough sucks, there's no two ways around it. But the vaccine doesn't prevent it, so it doesn't really matter if you vax for it or not imo. Apparently last year before we moved in here, there was a 2 week lockdown on our entire neighborhood because every house had it. I know of a couple kids with asthma who live here, and no one was even hospitalized to my knowledge, much less died from it. There is some research out there that suggests having it may even serve to strengthen the lungs though I don't know if that's true.
post #5 of 44
I'm on the fence about the pertussis too. I don't see any need to vax my baby against tetanus or diptheria but the pertussis scares me a bit. I've read that it's usually dangersou in little ones and that deaths are almost unheard of after 6 months. We EBF and don't use daycare, so I was comfortable skipping this vax and just hoping to get through the first 6 months without incident (DD is 3.5 months now.)

However, we've planned a trip for the end of June (when she'll be almost 5 months) that will take us on an airplane and then in close contact with four children--two grade or middle school aged and two toddlers--and this concerns me a bit. So now I'm not sure what to do. If the trip were going to happen after Ela turned 6 months I'd be comfortable just taking the risk, but since she's not even going to be 5 months I'm worried and considering the vax.
post #6 of 44
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Originally Posted by ammiga View Post
Watch this video. It will make you feel much better about measles


so regarding this episode of the brady bunch, is this a realistic portrayal of what people used to go through- really??? because then I would be as concerned with measles as I am with chicken pox- not at all. I guess at that time they had no reason to glamorize getting the mealses, but it seems like no big deal which I wasnt expecting.

thanks!
post #7 of 44
To my knowledge, yes, that is how the disease was viewed. My mom was sent to three different friends houses when they had the measles and never came down with a case. If it was seen as some deadly disease, there is no way her parents would have been sending her around trying to get her a case of them. She said she was jealous of her friends who got to stay home from school and was upset that she never got them.
post #8 of 44
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Originally Posted by NYMOM07 View Post
so regarding this episode of the brady bunch, is this a realistic portrayal of what people used to go through- really??? because then I would be as concerned with measles as I am with chicken pox- not at all. I guess at that time they had no reason to glamorize getting the mealses, but it seems like no big deal which I wasnt expecting.

thanks!
As a survivor of measles, along with my brother, cousins and every kid I grew up with, yes, it is a realistic portrayal. I remember not feeling great and having to stay home from school for a week. But it really wasn't a big deal in the least. My mother nursed us back to health without the use of vitamin A or C supplements. We just got over it with TLC.
post #9 of 44
And they've done to chickenpox what they've done to measles. I had a "friend" call me to warn me against skipping the chickenpox vaccine b/c she had read that lots of children diiiieeee.

post #10 of 44
I think you should follow your heart and worry less about what other people think!!

Of course, if it helps, the vaccinations with my in-laws stopped when our nephew caught the whooping cough from the vaccination and almost died, and that was many moons ago. He's in his early 20s now.
post #11 of 44
My husband had severe reactions the DTP, including having a really bad case of whooping cough. That is the main reason we chose to forgo vaxxes. (I hadn't heard of the whole MMR/Autism thing until a few years ago and my oldest is almost 10.)

We've never had a VPD in our household with 5 totally unvaxxed kiddos, so not much dealing going on. We just try to eat well and practice good hygeine and I've bf'ed them all for at least 2 years. We also don't do daycare/school so they are not in situations where most of these outbreaks occur.
post #12 of 44
After a lost of research we stopped vaxing when my second son was about 1 year old.

Last week my fourth child (completely unvaxed) came down with whooping cough. It is not a "pain in the hiney" or a "nuisance" it is HORRIBLE. There were a few days I was about to lose my mind I was so afraid he'd pass out or die in my arms in the night There is no possible way you can understand how bad it is until you see YOUR child not breath, or cough until he's bright red, tears streaming ... and then start again. My son never even turned blue or vommitted (thank you Lord) but it was still awful, awful, awful.

Im not trying to scare anyone just to offer my experience. At this point, as he recovers from the WC and the double pneumonia he got as a result , we are all planning on getting the DTaP (boosters for dh, the two oldest and me and the 3 dose series for my youngest two). Even if it means they can still get it but get a milder case its worth the risks IMO (and yes I know them, I researched very thoroughly for years). Again, no one can understand unless they've been there.

and trust me, you dont want to be.
post #13 of 44
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Originally Posted by MomTo3Blessings View Post
After a lost of research we stopped vaxing when my second son was about 1 year old.

Last week my fourth child (completely unvaxed) came down with whooping cough. It is not a "pain in the hiney" or a "nuisance" it is HORRIBLE. There were a few days I was about to lose my mind I was so afraid he'd pass out or die in my arms in the night There is no possible way you can understand how bad it is until you see YOUR child not breath, or cough until he's bright red, tears streaming ... and then start again. My son never even turned blue or vommitted (thank you Lord) but it was still awful, awful, awful.

Im not trying to scare anyone just to offer my experience. At this point, as he recovers from the WC and the double pneumonia he got as a result , we are all planning on getting the DTaP (boosters for dh, the two oldest and me and the 3 dose series for my youngest two). Even if it means they can still get it but get a milder case its worth the risks IMO (and yes I know them, I researched very thoroughly for years). Again, no one can understand unless they've been there.

and trust me, you dont want to be.
Why in the world would you get your kid a vaccine for a disease he already had? If he HAS it (or HAD it) he now will have natural immunity to the illness and does not NEED the vaccine. A vaccine is something you do BEFORE a child gets the VPD.

You may have good intentions but it is simply too late for the vaccine to help him. That's like saying "My child just got chicken pox and I regret not vaccinating him for that so I'm going to get him the chickenpox vaccine as soon as I can!"
post #14 of 44
Pertussis is the vpd that scares me the most. Unfortunately, the pertussis vaccine is fairly ineffective, doesn't provide immunity until after the age range I'm worried about, and has some of the most troubling side effects/complications.

It's frustrating; the vaccines that I'm fairly comfortable with (like IPV, or HepB) are for diseases that I'm not concerned about, and the vaccines for diseases that I'd actually *like * to vaccinate for are all terrible.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by MomTo3Blessings View Post
At this point, as he recovers from the WC and the double pneumonia he got as a result , we are all planning on getting the DTaP (boosters for dh, the two oldest and me and the 3 dose series for my youngest two). Even if it means they can still get it but get a milder case its worth the risks IMO (and yes I know them, I researched very thoroughly for years). Again, no one can understand unless they've been there.

and trust me, you dont want to be.

I don't get it either. You do realize that once you get WC then you have lifelong natural immunity right? Your LO is now safe from the illness as is anyone else in your household who also got it. And because WC is so infectious if you didn't get it that means you probably already have lifelong immunity. So honestly there is really no reason to vax anyone in your household.

I have been there done that, my DS was fully vaxed and got a mild case of it when he was older (2 yo or so). I'm not sure if he got a mild case because he was vaxed or because he was older. Then my DD at 11 months just got over a nasty case of WC she was also fully vaxed. I feel confident about not vaxing any future children (or continuing on with boosters) because the vax doesn't work. Plus I happily didn't get WC while I was taking care of my LO's, DH got a mild case. I was pretty happy that I have lifelong immunity from some past infection and not the junky short term immunity that the vax's give you.
post #16 of 44
As I stated previously, the whole reason we chose to forego DTap was due to my husbands horrible reaction DTP, which he was fully vaccinated with. Everything you stated your son went through was what my husband was going through off and on for four years. He had seizures also. (The acellular version still has the risk of seizures associated with it and therefore is contraindicated for *my* kids because of family history.) So, yeah he gets that it sucks and experienced it first hand.
post #17 of 44
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Originally Posted by newmum35 View Post
Why in the world would you get your kid a vaccine for a disease he already had? If he HAS it (or HAD it) he now will have natural immunity to the illness and does not NEED the vaccine. A vaccine is something you do BEFORE a child gets the VPD.

You may have good intentions but it is simply too late for the vaccine to help him. That's like saying "My child just got chicken pox and I regret not vaccinating him for that so I'm going to get him the chickenpox vaccine as soon as I can!"
I think another PP said this as well
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ou do realize that once you get WC then you have lifelong natural immunity right?
This is not correct in the case of pertussis. One can get pertussis multiple times in their life....natural immunity for this disease is sometimes short-lived. That's the problem. They have found immunity to range anywhere from 4-20 years after a natural infection and anywhere from 4-12 years after vaccination. That is quite a big range. I certainly wouldn't count on either in terms future protection!
post #18 of 44
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
I think another PP said this as well This is not correct in the case of pertussis. One can get pertussis multiple times in their life....natural immunity for this disease is usually short-lived.
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Thanks for sharing your experience MomTo3Blessings. I am so sorry whooping cough is giving your LO such a difficult time. I'm still not planning on vaxxing for it, but, I think your truth is very important to hear s.
post #19 of 44
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Originally Posted by MomTo3Blessings View Post
After a lost of research we stopped vaxing when my second son was about 1 year old.

Last week my fourth child (completely unvaxed) came down with whooping cough. It is not a "pain in the hiney" or a "nuisance" it is HORRIBLE. There were a few days I was about to lose my mind I was so afraid he'd pass out or die in my arms in the night There is no possible way you can understand how bad it is until you see YOUR child not breath, or cough until he's bright red, tears streaming ... and then start again. My son never even turned blue or vommitted (thank you Lord) but it was still awful, awful, awful.

Im not trying to scare anyone just to offer my experience. At this point, as he recovers from the WC and the double pneumonia he got as a result , we are all planning on getting the DTaP (boosters for dh, the two oldest and me and the 3 dose series for my youngest two). Even if it means they can still get it but get a milder case its worth the risks IMO (and yes I know them, I researched very thoroughly for years). Again, no one can understand unless they've been there.

and trust me, you dont want to be.

I'm so sorry you are having to endure this...you know there are several things that you can give that will drastically reduce his coughing.

please read these threads carefully. This info is from a former poster who went through WC multiple times with her unvaxed children.

http://beyondvaccination.com/showthr...ral-management.

http://beyondvaccination.com/showthr...ng-cough-worse.

Also I know that it is too late, but for any future cases. It is documented that antibiotics prolongs the coughing. I do realize however that you were giving it to prevent infection to others in the house and that he has pneumonia. I hope he is on the mend soon. Please please start giving sodiumk ascorbate to bowel tolerance. So many parents have had great luck with it.
post #20 of 44
Momto3Blessings wrote:

>Last week my fourth child (completely unvaxed) came down with whooping cough. It is not a "pain in the hiney" or a "nuisance" it is HORRIBLE. There were a few days I was about to lose my mind I was so afraid he'd pass out or die in my arms in the night There is no possible way you can understand how bad it is until you see YOUR child not breath, or cough until he's bright red, tears streaming ... and then start again. My son never even turned blue or vommitted (thank you Lord) but it was still awful, awful, awful. <

I am sorry you and your son had to go through that! It sounds VERY scary!! I just wanted to ask you how you treated it? Did you use Sodium Ascorbate at all? If so, what dosage did you use? The reason I ask is because I have heard that SA does wonders in treating WC and making it more mild. I hate the thought of my baby (completely unvaxed) getting WC, but I hate the thought of the vaccine too! Especially when I hear that MANY people who are vaccinated still get it!! So, it comforts me to think that I could help my child get through it and make it more mild with SA!!
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