Cesarean birth support circle #8 - Page 3

[its_our_family]

Originally posted by jess7396

And hey- my OB's never warned me about the risk of cutting the baby- maybe that is common sense, but it seriously never dawned on me as a risk.

It never really occured to me either and my obs never let me know. BUT it is on the paper you sign saying you know that there is a risk of injury to the bladder and to the baby being cut. At least it was with my 2 different obs in 2 different states...and Bryce was cut And a friend's daughter had her bladder literally cut in half (through BOTH walls)

[its_our_family]

about the lady refusing the c/b....

There was another lady who did this not to long ago that the state was going after but her baby didn't die...do you remember that??

As for this lady, not knowing the circumstances of the coke and everything I can say this...

I find what she did a morally and motherly disicable thing to do. However, legally I can't see what they could do to her. It is legal to have 3rd trimester abortions and we are still able to refuse medical treatment and until those things change I don't see what they can do to her. According to the law the the baby wasn't a baby. I hate to say it but I don't think they can touch her. Maybe for the crack but who gets a life sentence for that??

[OnTheFence]

KKmama, I didnt see your post as negative at all. I love your posts!

[OnTheFence]

I tried to post something earlier and my mouse wouldnt work.

I found this:
The maternal mortality is higher than that associated with vaginal birth (5.9 for elective cesarean delivery v. 18.2 for emergency cesarean v. 2.1 for vaginal birth, per 100 000 completed pregnancies in the United Kingdom during 1994–1996).

Among term babies, the risk of neonatal respiratory distress necessitating oxygen therapy is higher if delivery is by cesarean (35.5 with a prelabour cesarean v. 12.2 with a cesarean during labour v. 5.3 with vaginal delivery, per 1000 live births).6 Also, a recent study has reported that the risk of unexplained stillbirth in a second pregnancy is somewhat increased if the first birth was by cesarean rather than by vaginal delivery (1.2 per 1000 v. 0.5 per 1000).

Also, from what I was reading was that their are other factors that play into the maternal mortality rate, like age, number of births, etc.

Anyway I found this from an insurance company about VBACs.
http://www.phyins.com/pi/risk/minimize/vbacs.html

It doesnt seem that evil.

[mangogirll]

HAIR

Hey all
I had a c-section 7 months ago, and they told me that no hair would grow from the scar (obviusly), but ever since I had it, a few hairs now and then have been growing. I have been plucking them out(which is fun, i am almost addicted) but some are ingrown right into the scar and I can see them underneath the scar tissue. Is this normal, has anyone else have this. Also the two hair that are ingrow are making the scar bigger, almost spreading it, and I want to get them out, but I would have to pierce the skin. any advice?: : : : :

[ladylee]

Mangogirll-Hmmm, let me check :LOL. I haven't experienced anything like what you describe-does it hurt?

[its_our_family]

Yup, I hve hair growing from my scar site. i was never told it wold stop I have also noticed some ingrowns. They never hurt so I left them and most popped through : But then I also had the scar repened for my second c/b. So, we'll have to see what happens this time

OTF--Interesting reading. It is a little off topic but have you heard that the average life expectancy for humans is getting older but the infant mortality rate has risen : We can live longer if we get past the first year but more of us are having problems getting there.

[sparklemum]

the thing is - we never *really* know why a woman has a c/b - unless she shares every intimate detail and even then - we weren't experiencing the situation...

my c/b was after 25 hours of home birthing with two wonderful, wonderful lay midwives...my prenatal care was by a CNM at a birth center...i had a "proven pelvis" with a previously short, expedient labor...no one would have chosen me to be one the percentage that needed a c/b - nor would the choices i made during the birth seem to cascade me towards a c/b...it just happened...

i have had people tell me if i hadn't stayed at home so long, maybe an epidural would have "saved me"...i have had people tell me that if i just "stuck it out" at home, the baby would have eventually arrived...i have had more than one person tell me, after sharing ruby's 9#, 2oz. weight, that such a big baby was destined for c/b (poppycock! my first child was 8# 14oz)...

i just had to whine...if one more person tells me how beautiful my child is because of her round head i may scream "oh, those little c section babies are soo beautiful"... ARGH!

speaking of scars - mine is 4 months old and the area above the scar is still quite hard and distended...is this normal? and yeah, i have hair growing out of it...but i can't see over the distended little bit o'flab to pick at them - or you know i would

[OnTheFence]

Sparkle,

I had to chuckle at your post. I did think my last baby and Dylan looked so pretty without smashed heads! I know its awful. ::s head in shame:::
I have seen some pretty bad vaginally birthed head trauma children though. One of my friends son had to wear a helmet due to vaginal birth trauma He is fine now. He also had to be delivered with forceps though. His head was really BIG. And she didnt give birth on her back either but in the heand and knees position. He wasnt that big, just a big head!

[JanB]

OK, I just had to share that with my first baby, because I was in labor so long before the C-section, and because he was partially engaged in the pelvis (although not facing the proper direction, although that is a whole 'nother story), he had a HUGE conehead! People who see his newborn pictures can't believe he's a C-section baby.

[its_our_family]

Both of my boys had beautifully round heads. Not because they were c/b babies but becuse they refused to drop and/or engage

[sparklemum]

hee hee! happy to share a few chuckles...

my first (vaginal) had an ENORMOUS conehead...as in, my mum pulled the cap off and said "oh my!" and promptly put the cap back on...

did anyone experience "pelvic displacement" - there may be another term - it's been 5 months...when i was about 36 weeks, i sat in my chair and heard a loud "pop" - it really felt like something was "wrong"...

i couldn't walk and literally crawled to the phone to call hubby and midwife - she said there was nothing that could be done, except wait it out...

i often wonder if that "displacement" affected ruby's descent - and the way that her head didn't rest on my cervix effectively...

[sparklemum]

fence

it is awful, but me too! - after the completely uncomfortable way she arrived - i'm happy that she has the good sense to be utterly beautiful (and round of head )

[Henry's_Mamma]

My poor ds did not get the complete benefit of a round c/b head ...

He was posterior and was at +2 station ramming into my public bone with every push for 2+ hours. So he had a partial cone head and a huge bruise on his forehead (at his hairline). The top of his head (where the cone was) was really, really red, too. Poor guy. I gotta imagine he had one heck of a headache. It took almost a week for the bruise to go away.

My mom always comments on how beautifully round my head was when I was born, since I was breech and she had a c/b with me.

[OnTheFence]

More ponderings.

I have read many times, especially in another forum I post on on the net, that if you are going to have a csection you should wait to go into labor because that means the baby is ready, etc. However, from what I have been reading on my own, and maybe I am misunderstanding but that it is actually SAFER to schedule a repeat csection than allowing your body to go into labor. Also to plan the csection around the due date. It seems the maternal mortality rate is lower, and that risk of infection and other problems, such as embolism is lower. I am still trying to find infant mortality rates.

Now, maybe someone can post why it is better to wait to go into labor again. Maybe I am missing something. This is something I wonder about because I have entertained the idea of waiting for labor to start if I get pregnant again, but now I am not so sure.

Kim

[Henry's_Mamma]

Kim ...

I also would be interested in hearing other thoughts and info. about waiting to go into labor to have c/b or having it planned. I especially would like to know risks about laboring for a VBAC and then needing a c/s vs. just having the c/s (other than the obvious risk of uterine rupture). My next child is a ways off in my mind, but I really want to have a strong sense of whether it makes sense to try for a VBAC knowing I could end up with a c/s anyway, or just having the repeat. Right now, I think I want to go for a VBAC, but worry about the utter exhaustion of a long labor followed by a c/s with a toddler at home.

I'm rambling ... hope someone understands what I'm saying!

[its_our_family]

I was told it was safest to do vbac but if you wanted a repeat it was safer to NOT go into labor first. I'm not completely remembering why.

I do know that I was told that some labor is good because it helps gunk get pushed out of their lungs and such. But I thought that would only be if the baby was pushed out vaginally.

I have a ?? for all of you.

Were your babes pulled out or pushed out???

tracy was pulled out and had a horrid subluxation that cause us issues. Bryce was actually pushed out. I'm not sure how it all worked but I heard her say "I'll push him out and you catch him" Bryce had very little subluxation issues.

[its_our_family]

My ob had mentioned that a tired uterus that ends up with a c/b (maybe just in the case of repeat c/b) has a higher infection rate.

Also a c/b is major surgery and recovery time is easier if you aren't all exhausted from a long labor. Which I think is why my recovery with T was so long compared to this time.

[OnTheFence]

Originally posted by Henry's_Mamma
Kim ...

I also would be interested in hearing other thoughts and info. about waiting to go into labor to have c/b or having it planned. I especially would like to know risks about laboring for a VBAC and then needing a c/s vs. just having the c/s (other than the obvious risk of uterine rupture). My next child is a ways off in my mind, but I really want to have a strong sense of whether it makes sense to try for a VBAC knowing I could end up with a c/s anyway, or just having the repeat. Right now, I think I want to go for a VBAC, but worry about the utter exhaustion of a long labor followed by a c/s with a toddler at home.

I'm rambling ... hope someone understands what I'm saying!

Amy, I understand what you are saying and I want to know too. I know that for some this would be a factor in going ahead with a VBAC or planning a csection, weighing their own personal risk and their childs. I am looking for this information. Not sure how much has been said about this subject!

[OnTheFence]

Originally posted by its_our_family
I was told it was safest to do vbac but if you wanted a repeat it was safer to NOT go into labor first. I'm not completely remembering why.

I do know that I was told that some labor is good because it helps gunk get pushed out of their lungs and such. But I thought that would only be if the baby was pushed out vaginally.

I have a ?? for all of you.

Were your babes pulled out or pushed out???

tracy was pulled out and had a horrid subluxation that cause us issues. Bryce was actually pushed out. I'm not sure how it all worked but I heard her say "I'll push him out and you catch him" Bryce had very little subluxation issues.

Elizabeth was pushed, pulled and forced out buttocks first. She was wedged in weird as a transverse breech and because my uterus is weirdly shaped. The right horn is larger than the left and her legs were hooked around my septum into the left horn. Lovely eh? They had a very difficult time getting her out. I have pictures of it.

Dylan, I have no idea.

Jack they tried to push out. He was posterior, shoulder presenting against the cervix and his head was pretty lodged down there. his head was to the left and his body stretched up into the right horn. I imagine had his head been against my cervix I might could have had a vaginal delivery.: Anyway, the doctor had to use the vacuum to get him out! I preferred that over forceps and she asked me what I preferred. I really inspected his head and he had no mark on him. I have pictures of his birth too. I should scan my csection pictures for all of yall to see, my first are really graphic and are magazine material.