Originally Posted by QueeTheBean
Not meaning to open a can of worms, but . . .
I get very confused with all the vitamin/supplement stuff. I recently just stopped taking everything after reading that there haven't been any reliable studies proving that any of them are effective. That said, I know that there are a million studies out there that show otherwise, but how do I know what to believe?
I am so frustrated.
I think, who is saying there is no reliable studies and who is funding them!?
There is also the simple fact that the type of nutritional intervention makes a huge difference, a small amount of a vitamin or mineral does nothing in some cases... so do a study with a tiny amount to show that it does... nothing! No surprise!
The key for me to learn about nutrients is this: We have been all eating deficiently to build our bodies naturally with the high amounts of minerals and vitamins, in food form (not chemicals) which they are meant to run on.
This is based on the work of Weston Price, a dentist who travelled the globe in the 1930s for 10 years studying traditional populations eating their natural extremely high nutrient content diet from (surprise) lots of animal fats, organ meats, seafood, eggs and dairy. He found very healthy people with no cavities despite not brushing and no dentists, immune to tuberculosis, positive dispositions, completely straight teeth (wide faces and stong jaws and palates to hold them all straight) and more. He compared them to people he was treating as a dentist at the time in Cleveland, and to people from the same tribes and villages as he studied who moved to the city and started eating processed food and became sick, lost teeth, etc. because their diet was deficient.
His studies really spoke to me because it was *before* all this dueling medical study crap! It says to me that this is what a healthy human body is supposed to eat, high in nutrients. It makes sense that a body would break down if it simply doesn't have the right fuel.
Originally Posted by brymommy
Also a big problem is the dose and a large part of what I think JaneS is trying to get across is that we need HIGH doses of many vitamin/mineral therapies before they do any good. I am sure she will be back with her thoughts, maybe we can get her to share what supplements she thinks are the most important and the dosage?
Oy, that's hard! but here are some thoughts of how I approach it...
Magnesium, magnesium, magnesium! and lots of it which is why baths and topical application is so good b/c it tanks you up more easily than supplements which can be difficult to absorb.
Vitamin D according to www.vitaminDcouncil.org
guidelines which is in the range of 4,000-10,000 IU per day tracked by blood tests.
B12, Jarrow 5000mcg. sublingual if B12 need is indicated.
For B vits, dessicated liver caps or Brewer's yeast. Or MegaFood balanced whole food B complex.
Zinc, this is a hard one for me as I've never done well with supps as I'm probably copper toxic, I need to address this myself b/c it is very important. Zinc chelate or MegaFood zinc are better absorbed. Or lots of oysters and liver.
Natural, not chemical vitamin C, up to 250mgs per day... my new favorite is acerola powder from Mountain Rose Herbs, 1 tsp divided. I only use chemical C when ill for high doses or toxicity (when I had fillings out). The cofactors in C are very important to keep the C circulating in the body and how naturally humans got their C, not isolated ascorbic acid.
Revise diet: take out allergens, stop the high omega 6 inflammatory oils such as corn, soy, cottonseed, canola, safflower, sunflower, etc. and eat higher omega 3s from fatty fish, pastured meat and dairy, and take high vitamin cod liver oil, Blue Ice or Radiant Life.
I haven't seen fibromyalgia (because I haven't looked) connected to high omega 6/low omega 3 modern diet but I wouldn't be surprised from what I know about omega 6 overload if this isn't a major factor.
Eat according to WAPF principles (see my sig. link) and now the Mark's Daily Apple link is really interesting to me currently for its exposure of insulin's role in the body.
Originally Posted by JENinOR
JaneS, what doses do you recommend of the mag, b12, and folate? Also, I was all set to buy some methyl b12 but then read somewhere that if you have amalgams this form of b12 may be detrimental! Have you heard that before? I have all the symptoms of b12 def. as I'm looking into it. I'm hoping to get my amalgams out asap as I feel this may be the root of my nutritional deficences and need for high levels of nutrients. I have come across ladies whose tenderpoints (any many other symptoms) went away after removing mercury fillings!! Mercury suppresses the immune system anyways, so it can't but help.
I like Jarrow's methyl B12 5000 mcg. sublingual but I don't know about the amalgam issue b/c it didn't apply to me, sorry! I had my fillings out safely before I started on it. Be sure that your dentist follows the IAOMT protocol and use lots of vitamin C, preferably an IV on those days. It wasn't a magic bullet, I had to do lots of other healing but I'm sure it helped.
Andrew Hall Cutler's books are excellent for detailing what mercury toxic people need in terms of specific nutrients, I cannot recall what he says on B12 but I'm sure he would have a good analysis. He is here: http://www.noamalgam.com/
and at the Yahoo group "Autism Mercury" which is not just for autism or children.
Food form of folate is really the best, like from lentils, chicken livers. I've made pate a regular thing in my life.
Folic acid the chemical form in most vitamins is not at all utilized by people with the MTHFR defect which could be a factor in many people's healing. See the "Detox Pathway Guinea Pig" thread by WhoMe.
For magnesium, I love epsom salts baths and Ancient Minerals magnesium gel/oil for topical application. Sometimes I take some magnesium chloride liquid by Nutricology, that doesn't irritate my intestines while others do. Many people in the Allergies forum like magnesium glycinate too.