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post #21 of 25
for me, when it comes to birth, there is what we can control or have influence over and what we cannot. birth has curve balls! birth just is what it is.

there is no 'success/failure' at birth. even injury or death is not a success/failure at birth. c-section, any medical intervention, or an accidental solo UC are not failures or successes. they are just births. that's it. that's what they are.

so, when we are preparing for and planning for birth, we have to focus on what we can influence. we can influence the mind. we can influence a certain measure of our physical fitness (diet, exercise)--but we even still might developed GD or pre-E or what have you. we can influence a certain measure f our structural situation with chiropractic care, or massage, or acupuncture or osteopathy or any number of other modalities.

so, we do a lot of things that help us prepare to have a good experience at birth--perhaps even one that is pleasurable or orgasmic. and maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't--but we created the opportunity for that to happen through certain habits.

it is not a guarentee that if you exercise and eat right, you'll not get GD. it's not a guarantee that if you think positive about your birth, that youll have the birth you imagine. it is not a guarantee that if you do spinning babies exercises, get chiropractic care, etc etc, that your body and your baby will be positioned in the "optimal" way. but, it can help, and that can *influence* outcomes, but it's no guarantee.

it can help outcomes, but it might not *create* outcomes.


for my own part, i had a posterior baby. i cannot diagnose much else about myself--i believe my pelvis was normal and healthy and properly aligned (i didn't have any sciatic pain, for example, or SPD or related).

i also know that i have an extremely high tolerance for pain (something that most people cannot control or influence--it's usually just a matter of neurology, though there is some "mind over matter" training that exists though i never used it, so whether or not it works i cannot say).

i also know that i did everything that i could--mind body and spirit--to prepare for birth. i was prepared for pain, but also open to pleasure.

and i had a pleasurable birth with my son. no pain. just orgasm (8 hrs); peace/hugging (12 hrs; slept through a bit); then candlelight bath and resting (2 hrs); then ecstatic movement and sounding (2 hrs).

while it was pleasurable, it still had a *lot* of curve balls--a lot of things that i didn't expect, that awed me, perhaps even scared me (scared isn't the right word, but it's somewhere around the experience of the sublime).

so, it was what it was. not at all what i imagined or visualized, but a lot of what i had. it was interesting in that.
post #22 of 25
oh, and truthfully, because i have such a high tolerance for pain, and i love to have something to "push against" physically (i use sports, yoga, going out in hot/cold extremes, etc etc etc), i really had no fear of pain in birth. i was actually kind of excited about it.

but i'm one of those people who kind of seeks it out, you know? seeks out those extreme experiences to push the body. I like fire walking, for example, and suspension.

so, to be honest, i was kind of excited to see what the pain might be, but i found many painful things pleasurable.

so perhaps i'm just messed up. LOL
post #23 of 25
I second everything Veritaserum said and was about to say pretty much exactly this:

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Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
for me, when it comes to birth, there is what we can control or have influence over and what we cannot. birth has curve balls! birth just is what it is.

there is no 'success/failure' at birth. even injury or death is not a success/failure at birth. c-section, any medical intervention, or an accidental solo UC are not failures or successes. they are just births. that's it. that's what they are.
For my first birth, I took a HypnoBirthing class that did strongly imply that is something went "wrong", it meant I wasn't relaxing properly. It went on and on about positive thinking, the power of visualization, etc. and just left no room to prepare for anything other than a perfectly "normal" birth. I had to supplement the class with additional information and preparation that turned out to be essential when I did develop complications. I was able to have a very comfortable, unmedicated birth, but it was long and difficult at times and not at all the "typical" birth. When I talked to my HypnoBirthing instructor about it, she kept asking me questions about what I thought I had done "wrong" to "cause complications." That was when I realized that there is simply no "success" or "failure" in birth, and her expectations were skewed by her incorrect belief that visualization and relaxation could create a perfect birth in any situation.

That led me to learn Hypnobabies for my second birth, and use it again for my third. It taught the power of positive visualization in helping the subconscious mind create the birth we wanted to the extent it was able to do so, but also included all the great natural childbirth information that could further influence the health and position of the baby for an easier birth. And what really won me over was the extent of the additional skills and tips to be used by the mom or her birth team in the case of complications. I actually developed the same complication with that birth as I had the first time. But WOW, what a difference it made to be fully informed about birth and prepared with a number of excellent techniques to stay comfortable and calm even when things weren't going as planned!

So yes, I do think it is wise to prepare for and visualize the birth of your dreams AND educate yourself on techniques and skills that can help you in the case of a less-than-ideal birth. Hypnobabies does a really great job in my opinion of wrapping all that up in a very positive way, so you don't have to open yourself to negativity while preparing for any situation.
post #24 of 25
I haven't read the whole thread, but I have real trouble with that kind of thinking.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I never got to a point where I was afraid of the pain, and the pain was easily manageable, in my first labour. Honestly, the only emotion I can remember feeling when I realized I was in labour (my labour was very atypical at first) was excitement. It was such an awesome moment. I laboured alone for hours, and didn't even wake up my ex, because it felt like something of mine.

I ended up with an "emergency" c-section, performed over my protests, at full dilation.

I went into two of my c-sections in a state of barely suppressed panic, and came out of both of those quite well.

I went into my labour with Aaron kind of tired (really, really long "false" labour), but totally excited. I ended up with another emergency c-section and a dead baby.

So, honestly - I think getting stressed out with fear of the pain is a really, really bad idea...but I'm not a big fan of victim-blaming magical thinking, either.
post #25 of 25
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So, honestly - I think getting stressed out with fear of the pain is a really, really bad idea...but I'm not a big fan of victim-blaming magical thinking, either.
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So - yeah no, I don't believe much in it. I think if it gives people comfort, great. If it makes people feel guilty or bad, ugh. And if it allows birth professionals to essentially blame the victim for their experiences well then, that's not right. And sadly I have heard stories where women were berated for not being positive enough during labour.


I visualized my ass off with my second birth. I was hardcore about positive thinking and wouldn't even consider for a moment that everything wouldn't go absolutely perfect. I was so sure of the power of visualization that I wouldn't even think for more than a few moments about what visualizations I would use during labor because I was sure I would put myself into preterm labor if I did Well, I wound up with a transfer and emergency c/s and a permantely disabled child after days of agonizing labor, so nuts to visualization. I didn't do any of that stuff with dd3 and had an awesome vba2c, anyway.

Yeah, I do think your attitude and perspective can influence how you perceive your "birth experience" or whatever, but it's not the be all end all, ykwim?
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